News Intel axes 13th Gen Core i5, i7, i9 K-series CPUs — lineup will be discontinued by May 24th 2024

[Admin]

The countdown has started for 13th Gen Raptor Lake. Intel has officially discontinued the overclockable CPUs in the lineup and will stop taking orders of affected chips starting May 24th.

Intel axes 13th Gen Core i5, i7, i9 K-series CPUs — lineup will be discontinued by May 24th 2024 : Read more

 

[35below0]

Not surprised. The 14th gen CPUs were almost identical. Slightly more powerfull and slightly more expensive. It makes sense to axe one of them, and between them the 13th is the logical one.
12th gen is weaker but plenty strong for many use cases, and prices are much lower. In fact, 12th gen value is much better than 14th, as long as you're willing to take a core/performance hit. Because said drop in performance is much smaller than the drop in price.

 

[zoridon]

I agree; glad I purchased a 13600k when I did however I'd be interested in seeing the frame rate loss on a system using a RTX 4070ti when using an Alder lake I5 12400 vs a I4th gen I5 14400. Most benchmarks show one of the most powerful GPU's combined with the different processors. I want one with a upper mid range GPU comparing the Alder lake with the 14th gen models. Most people who would purchase an alder lake will not buy more than an upper mid range GPU to go with it.

 

[vMax]

I agree; glad I purchased a 13600k when I did however I'd be interested in seeing the frame rate loss on a system using a RTX 4070ti when using an Alder lake I5 12400 vs a I4th gen I5 14400. Most benchmarks show one of the most powerful GPU's combined with the different processors. I want one with a upper mid range GPU comparing the Alder lake with the 14th gen models. Most people who would purchase an alder lake will not buy more than an upper mid range GPU to go with it.

Same here though with the 13700K which has been an immense CPU for me as it is such a great all round CPU. With a quick and dirty vcore adjustment downwards to 1.245v the temps and power use were greatly reduced whilst still pushing 5.4GHz all core... and anyone with 12th, 13th and 14th gen should immidiatly undervolt as the motherboards manufactures are just pushing too much vcore at auto voltage...Odd that they are still going to sell Alder Lake when Raptor Lake especially 13th gen is a decent step up and with a cost reduction, they would fly of the shelves...

 

[35below0]

Odd that they are still going to sell Alder Lake when Raptor Lake especially 13th gen is a decent step up and with a cost reduction, they would fly of the shelves...

It's not in their interest. 14th gen can maintain a higher price. Keeping 13th gen around would cut into their income for no reason.

13th gen is fine and as long as the price hasn't gone up, it's a fine choice today. However the 14th gen does everything and more, and doesn't cost much more.
Once the 13s dry up and prices go up, 14 will be the only LGA1700 chip to buy unless you want Alder and it's lower performance and price.

Intel were competing with themselves too much as it was. 12th and 14th gen are at leaset different. 13th and 14th are basically the same.

 

[vMax]

Good point!

 

[NinoPino]

What a nice informatic revisionism in the phrase "...enabling Intel to outperform AMD's Ryzen 7000 CPUs at the time.".
In the Raptor Lake review from Paul Alcorn I read 14% in gaming and nearly the same in productivity.

 

[thestryker]

Realistically this just means that all of the die they are currently producing are good enough for 14th Gen volume.

 

[bit_user]

Not surprised. The 14th gen CPUs were almost identical.

Not "almost", they're the same silicon!

 

[TerryLaze]

Not "almost", they're the same silicon!

Better clocks at the same power.
Same, but still only almost.
Even if it is just binning, it still differs in binning.

 

[thestryker]

Better clocks at the same power.
Same, but still only almost.
Even if it is just binning, it still differs in binning.

A different binning target doesn't make the silicon any different at all.

 

[TerryLaze]

A different binning target doesn't make the silicon any different at all.

Original post wasn't about silicon, it was about the CPU.
If you want to correct somebody then correct bit_user who countered CPU with silicon.

 

[35below0]

Performance-wise they (13th and 14th gen) are very close. I used the phrase "almost identical" mostly thinking about which one a builder today would choose. Usualy the choice is made by the price in the store and never actual performance.
As an example, i didn't need a K version of the 13600 when i was shopping but non-K 13600 were rarer than hen's teeth. 14600Ks had an even higher price.
Likewise, i've seen 14700K sell for $15 more than 13700K. Not much of a difference in price.

If i'm considering someone's build advice request, the 13th and 14th gen intels are interchangeable. They are not identical of course.


Difference in silicon is beyond my knowledge.


If they are the same silicon or something, then it would be extra pointless for Intel to continue production if:
- the production process is identical and they make two identical chips but sell them at two different, closely matches prices
- they use two slightly different production processes with miniscule cost or complexity differences between them, and end up with two products one of which is less profitable

Or i'm overcomlicating this and Intel sensed they sold enough 13s and want to push 14s before the next generation makes a splash.

Even if the profitssss are only slightly better, from a marketing perspective it's better they side with 14th gen.
This way they can tout it as the latest, greatest and fastest, instead of only a mild improvement over the generation that preceeded it. Both are true.

 

[thestryker]

If they are the same silicon or something, then it would be extra pointless for Intel to continue production if:
- the production process is identical and they make two identical chips but sell them at two different, closely matches prices
- they use two slightly different production processes with miniscule cost or complexity differences between them, and end up with two products one of which is less profitable

They're the exact same silicon which means Intel is selling the same chip under two names, but one for less money. The manufacturing process improvements apply to everything being produced which means they'd be leaving money on the table by continuing to sell 13th Gen retail parts that could have been 14th Gen instead. This probably isn't a lot of their margins now, but as stock goes it will be. This is why 12th Gen is still being produced: it's different silicon for the models with E-cores.

Original post wasn't about silicon, it was about the CPU.
If you want to correct somebody then correct bit_user who countered CPU with silicon.

No I'll correct the person who responded to a post inaccurately if you wanted to correct them that's on you.