News Intel Battlemage GPU has surfaced in the wild — GPU spotted with 24 Xe2 cores, 19 Gbps memory, 12GB VRAM, 192-bit bus

[Admin]

Specs of a new Battlemage GPU have surfaced. It features 24 Xe2 cores, a 192-bit wide bus, and 12GB of video memory.

Intel Battlemage GPU has surfaced in the wild — GPU spotted with 24 Xe2 cores, 19 Gbps memory, 12GB VRAM, 192-bit bus : Read more

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

He also made some performance implications, suggesting the Battlemage GPU is 50% faster than the Arc A750 but slower than the RX 6800 or RTX 3070 Ti.

That puts it about 4060 Ti levels of performance, which is roughly 10% slower than the 3070 Ti. Not bad for entry level if they can market it for $250.

 

[Gururu]

That puts it about 4060 Ti levels of performance, which is roughly 10% slower than the 3070 Ti. Not bad for entry level if they can market it for $250.

No way that markets for $250. My guess is $399.00 just because its new mid-range silicon.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

No way that markets for $250. My guess is $399.00 just because its new mid-range silicon.

The 5060 won't cost that and it's going to be faster, so why would anyone pay $400 for a slower card from Intel?

 

[Mattzun]

The 7700xt is faster than this and frequently available for 380.
It would need to be 20 percent below that to have a lot of sales (10% performance, 10% driver rep)

Based on current competition, it would be compelling at 300$ and interesting at 350.

I don’t see that changing with the next gen.
The 5060 is supposed to be another 8gb card and not a real competitor.
I’m not expecting an amazingly good 12gb 8600 out of AMD.

 

[hotaru251]

The 5060 won't cost that

have you not seen Jensen's take on the vlaue of a 60 tier card?
it very well could be that much & the increased vram on intel would make it have more reason to buyunless they increase vram as games keep wanting more as time goes on.

 

[DerKeyser]

The sad part is that I’m guessing this will be the last GPU series from Intel. They ALWAYS buy up things or develop from scratch only to to do what they always do:

If they are not 100% successfull and completely OWN the market for a new product in less than 3 - 5 years - like they used to do for x86, they cancel or sell of the productline completely.

I’m guessing Battlemage will be their swansong for GPUs - especially now when their intire business is in the gutter.

 

[Amdlova]

Sorry but the 5060 will be a 4070 with same price tag...

Cheap cards are done. You will have cheap 5050 with a price tag of 350usd

 

[LolaGT]

Cheap cards aren't done, it is just that a cheap card will be able to eke out 60fps on whatever the current popular titles are and that is about all they will do.
Anything over that or 1440 cards aren't going to be cheap on release.
That is on the consumer. No one is forcing people to overpay, they are getting in line willingly.

 

[Giroro]

The 5060 won't cost that and it's going to be faster, so why would anyone pay $400 for a slower card from Intel?

A 5060 might not even exist. Why would Nvidia even bother? They're an AI company now, not gaming.
Why would Nvidia waste silicon on a $200-$300 RTX 5060 when they could slap some extra memory on the board and sell that same chip as an entry level AI card for $1000+?

 

[Mattzun]

Cheap cards are on life support - the low end is migrating to integrated graphics.

The new Zen 5 mobile chips show that low end laptop GPUs aren't really needed.
Consoles and handhelds have shown that AMD can release APUs that cover the low end.
I assume that Intel will be leveraging its Arc lessons and drivers to radically improve its integrated graphics.

I suspect that the real hope for Arc to to continue past battlemage is that a lot of the work is also needed for better integrated graphics and/or AI cards.

 

[watzupken]

That puts it about 4060 Ti levels of performance, which is roughly 10% slower than the 3070 Ti. Not bad for entry level if they can market it for $250.

I think it’s better to wait and see how it performs in actual games. To give an example, the A770 technically performs close to a RTX 3070 looking at benchmark results. But in reality, the in game performance is very inconsistent between a RTX 3060 and 3060 Ti, but never that close to a RTX 3070. The same can be said about the Alchemist based Arc 8 iGPU, which excels at benchmarks, but generally on par with a lower specced 780m.

 

[baboma]

>Cheap cards are on life support - the low end is migrating to integrated graphics.

That would be true if desktop CPUs get the same level of iGPU that laptop CPUs get. They don't.

A couple of reasons: dGPU market is served by Nvidia/AMD duopoly, with minimal competitive pressure because of high barrier of entry (developing GPU takes lots of resources incl driver development). Said duopoly are focused on the more profitable AI market, and are slow-walking on consumer dGPU development. A consequence of that is abandonment of low-end dGPU which has the least profit margin. They can afford to do so because there's little danger of losing marketshare to an upstart, Intel's effort notwithstanding.

Second, the desktop gaming PC market is small, relative to mobile and other non-PC segments. Adding more SKUs to serve the low-end may well not be justified in regards to ROI, even if AI was not sucking up all the oxygen.

As for the Battlemage part in the title, an easy guess is that it'll start at ~$400 MSRP, on par with the competition. How much street price will deviate from MSRP will depend on (relative) performance. If B-mage performs well, price will stay high. If not, it will drop. It was the same with Alchemist. No reason to think B-mage will be any different.

Intel is retrenching to its core competency, and I'm surprised that dGPU wasn't on the chopping block. Even as it remains, making a push to win the low-end dGPU market would be a stupid business move. There are much better options for ROI.

 

[brandonjclark]

If this REALLY retails for 399$ as some have suggested, you can count me out of the 5000-series NVidia. Their pricing scares me.

 

[watzupken]

>Cheap cards are on life support - the low end is migrating to integrated graphics.

That would be true if desktop CPUs get the same level of iGPU that laptop CPUs get. They don't.

A couple of reasons: dGPU market is served by Nvidia/AMD duopoly, with minimal competitive pressure because of high barrier of entry (developing GPU takes lots of resources incl driver development). Said duopoly are focused on the more profitable AI market, and are slow-walking on consumer dGPU development. A consequence of that is abandonment of low-end dGPU which has the least profit margin. They can afford to do so because there's little danger of losing marketshare to an upstart, Intel's effort notwithstanding.

Second, the desktop gaming PC market is small, relative to mobile and other non-PC segments. Adding more SKUs to serve the low-end may well not be justified in regards to ROI, even if AI was not sucking up all the oxygen.

As for the Battlemage part in the title, an easy guess is that it'll start at ~$400 MSRP, on par with the competition. How much street price will deviate from MSRP will depend on (relative) performance. If B-mage performs well, price will stay high. If not, it will drop. It was the same with Alchemist. No reason to think B-mage will be any different.

Intel is retrenching to its core competency, and I'm surprised that dGPU wasn't on the chopping block. Even as it remains, making a push to win the low-end dGPU market would be a stupid business move. There are much better options for ROI.

I am not sure if this is true though. Just because there isn't a lot of new entry level cards does not mean that its on "life support". It is true that iGPUs are growing in market share at the expense of low end GPUs, but there are still a lot of CPUs sold without iGPUs. They may be sold in full systems for retail and data centers from the likes of Dell for example.

As to why dGPU is not on Intel's chopping board, I think if Intel wants to be serious in the gaming space, they really need some gaming grade graphic solution to show their commitment. Game developers generally don't develop games with iGPU in mind. The development of their dGPU also helps with their iGPU as you can tell the improvement over the years.

 

[jlake3]

The 5060 won't cost that and it's going to be faster, so why would anyone pay $400 for a slower card from Intel?

The A-series cards required a LOT more silicon to achieve equivalent performance, Intel can't amortize their R&D over as many cards as Nvidia does, and based on recent financial news it doesn't sound like Intel is in a position to subsidize Arc sales to whatever price it takes to buy marketshare.

Armchair analysts seemed to think the A-series was profitable at launch MSRP, but not as much as Nvidia or AMD, and the price drops were because Intel had misjudged sales estimates and been stuck with a lot of chips they had to try and get some money back out of. I remember teardowns finding production date codes on cards indicating that they'd been sitting for 9-10 months before actually being purchased.

 

[Soaptrail]

The sad part is that I’m guessing this will be the last GPU series from Intel. They ALWAYS buy up things or develop from scratch only to to do what they always do:

If they are not 100% successfull and completely OWN the market for a new product in less than 3 - 5 years - like they used to do for x86, they cancel or sell of the productline completely.

I’m guessing Battlemage will be their swansong for GPUs - especially now when their intire business is in the gutter.

Given Intel is doing layoffs soon i bet you are right and this graphics card will have iffy driver support. I would not buy this until after Intel announces layoffs to be safe.

 

[spongiemaster]

The sad part is that I’m guessing this will be the last GPU series from Intel. They ALWAYS buy up things or develop from scratch only to to do what they always do:

If they are not 100% successfull and completely OWN the market for a new product in less than 3 - 5 years - like they used to do for x86, they cancel or sell of the productline completely.

I’m guessing Battlemage will be their swansong for GPUs - especially now when their intire business is in the gutter.

Intel needs GPU's for AI. They're not going to end their development. They're never going to get rid of iGPU's so they will always be developing gaming drivers and AI features for the home market.

 

[tommtajlor]

No way that markets for $250. My guess is $399.00 just because its new mid-range silicon.

Thats a no-go. The rx6800 with 16g is widely avaliable here for 340-350usd for several month now, in stores on the shelves still. If this one is slower and having 12g only, no way it should cost above 300usd

 

[bobba84]

Double the VRAM and the AI enthusiasts will be all over it

 

[wwenze1]

Let's hope Intel can manage to catch up before they burn finish all their money in this "throwing money at the problem" approach, of which they don't have a lot left

 

[CelicaGT]

We can only hope the AI bubble pops and Nvidia's valuation flushes down the toilet. I weep for PC gaming, gaming in general if the XBOX rumours are true..

 

[hannibal]

The 5060 won't cost that and it's going to be faster, so why would anyone pay $400 for a slower card from Intel?

5060 can easily cost $500... so lets see. Also if 5060 is 128bit 8Gb as is expected... the this 12Gb middle range can be avout the same price. So it all depends on what we are gonna get...

 

[hannibal]

Thats a no-go. The rx6800 with 16g is widely avaliable here for 340-350usd for several month now, in stores on the shelves still. If this one is slower and having 12g only, no way it should cost above 300usd

6800 is old gpu at the end of the line... The price of that does not affect Battle mage prices.
When 9800XTmost likely will be $700 to $800... the 6800 will aso make that product look bad! When Nvidia winn release 5060 8gb at $500... 6800 will make that look bad... The point is 6800 is not what companies will price their products!

 

[Madkog]

The majority still won't buy anything but Nvidia. Only those parents that aren't into gaming or those that don't care on games trends get anything but. Its a shame as AMD makes good cards, but it the perceived value that is the value that counts. We see this generation after generation.