News Intel calls AMD's chips 'Snake Oil' for putting antiquated Zen 2 architecture in modern Ryzen 7000 mobile CPUs, but Intel also uses similar marketi...

[plusev]

If you can't beat them...... talk <Mod Edit> about them 🤣

Intel mostly makes power hungry garbage these days.
Seeing an Intel sticker on a laptop is actually a disincentive to buy IMO.

Power hungry, yes. Garbage? Definitely not, but resorting to hyperbole would be par for the course for AMD fanboys. It's always been fashionable to jump on the hate train bandwagon.

 

[DingusDog]

"the future of younger kid's education needs the best CPU performance from the latest and greatest CPU technologies made today."

That's a nice sales pitch (think of the children!) but in reality, schools are going to go with cheap Chromebooks with Celeron CPUs.

 

[Order 66]

I'm searching for laptops, and it is terrible to see one with a Ryzen 5 7520U labeled as brand new, when it is in fact a Ryzen 3500U rebranded, far away from the Zen 3 and 4 models.

where is your source? The 7520U has less L1 cache, but a much higher base and boost clock. I do think that it is confusing with AMD's nomenclature for their mobile chips. It is zen 2, however that does not mean that it is a rebranded 3500u.

 

[mawkzin]

I'm searching for laptops, and it is terrible to see one with a Ryzen 5 7520U labeled as brand new, when it is in fact a Ryzen 3500U rebranded, far away from the Zen 3 and 4 models.

Just for clarification, the 7520u isn't the same chip as the 3x00U/H, it's a new silicon that combine the old zen2 arch with the "new" rnda2 arch and 1-channel only ddr5 (64bit wide bus). I don't have a problem with this chip, it has their use case (chromebooks, embbedded, industrial machines...), but I do have a problem with the way they're selling this chip, they could've named Athlon.

#1 is the generation, it's always been like that, and it's an easy way to understand it. Ryzen 2xxx, 3xxx, 5xxx; Radeon 5xxx, 6xxx, 7xxx; i7 2700, 3750, 4750, 6700, 7700, 8700, 9700, 10700...

That's how 99,99999% of the people expect a product should be labelled and that's why the AMD name scheme is designed to hide the performance number under the name scheme.
they could just put the year model under the third number and continuous to use the first number to represent the perfomance evolution like this:

---------- 2023 --- 2024 -- 2025
7840 -> 4870 -> 4880 -> 4890 (zen4)
7830 -> 3870 -> 3880 -> 3890 (zen3)
7820 -> 2870 -> 2880 -> 2890 (zen2)

But let's be honest, it isn't appeling so they can't asking much for the old chip the way they could ask with the 7000 name scheme.

 

[Order 66]

it's has their use case (chromebooks, embbedded, industrial machines...), but I do have a problem with the way they're selling this chip, they could've named Athlon.

It's a whole heck of a lot better than the Celerons that generally go in Chromebooks.

 

[King_V]

Yeah, from the get-go, it was obvious that AMD's new naming convention was a dumpster fire, and how it ever got approved is absolutely baffling to me.

But, uh, Intel, you maybe wanna review that whole glass houses and throwing stones bit, perhaps? And man, Steve Burke can be savage!

Also, Lisa Su, if you're looking, HIRE ME. I absolutely assure you that I can come up with a far better, and NOT CONFUSING, naming system. No decoder rings needed!

Barring that, Pat Gelsinger, if you're looking, HIRE ME. I absolutely assure you that I will be the gatekeeper to prevent dumb crap like that slide deck from seeing the light of day.

 

[Colif]

As Steve mentioned, it felt like Userbenchmark were asked to make a presentation for Intel.

 

[-Fran-]

As Steve mentioned, it felt like Userbenchmark were asked to make a presentation for Intel.

Maybe Intel is trying to save money, so they outsourced their marketing for this campaign to UserBenchmarks for the low low fee of 'screwing with AMD'.

Regards 😛

 

[Colif]

 

[KyaraM]

#1 is the generation, it's always been like that, and it's an easy way to understand it. Ryzen 2xxx, 3xxx, 5xxx; Radeon 5xxx, 6xxx, 7xxx; i7 2700, 3750, 4750, 6700, 7700, 8700, 9700, 10700...

Then AMD makes the first number mean nothing (year of processor? What does it mean?), and hides the generation in the third number (notice the i7 3750? That 5 is not as important as gen 3 and tier 7, so much so that it became a 0 soon enough).

I'm searching for laptops, and it is terrible to see one with a Ryzen 5 7520U labeled as brand new, when it is in fact a Ryzen 3500U rebranded, far away from the Zen 3 and 4 models.

And I'm not excusing Intel. Try purchasing a Pentium: is it a lower i3, or is it an Atom? And their mobile i7s with two physical cores, when the desktop ones had at least 6? There are no innocents here.

Amen. I hate that practice as well, from all three big tech companies who all did a variation of this at some point for both CPUs and GPUs. It is, quite frankly, an anti-consumer practice that needs to stop. Yes, sure. As others here said, not everyone always needs the latest and greatest. However everyone deserves to see what they are buying. This is intentionally misleading by implying that the chip is something it's not, and had I not done quite a bit of research, I would likely have stepped into the trap myself. Now imagine someone without the information infrastructure I, and you, built for my/yourself over the years trying to figure out what to buy.

Plus, it's not just these mobile chips; their desktop APUs also always trail behind in their architecture, and there I find it almost worse because the only denominator there is a single letter at the end. Now try to tell someone not tech savy that their 5600G isn't a Ryzen 5000 with an iGPU, but actually a Ryzen 3000 with an iGPU despite being named almost the exact same as the actual Ryzen 5600s...

On the topic of Intel, they can be just as misleading indeed...

100% there both in it to make money the cheapest way possible ..

but throwing shade over AMD when intel are far from perfect defines hypocrisy at its best ..

we still get a crummy 2 year socket life from Intel and the 11th 14th gen

That said AMD arent exactly blameless but i dont often see them hating on another company with no substance to back them up !!

Uh. I saw them crapping on Intel and Nvidia quite a few times while they themselves were in absolutely no position to take potshots. Enough to turn me off them for quite a long time, actually (together with having other issues with their products...), because their comments were even worse than this which is mainly stupid.

And to be fair, while the 13th and 14th gen are quite disappointing, it's three generations on the same socket at least I guess. That wasn't even the case with Skylake, so yay, at least some kind of progress made I guess, even if tiny? It's an additional year of life for the 600 boards at least.

 

[ilukey77]

Amen. I hate that practice as well, from all three big tech companies who all did a variation of this at some point for both CPUs and GPUs. It is, quite frankly, an anti-consumer practice that needs to stop. Yes, sure. As others here said, not everyone always needs the latest and greatest. However everyone deserves to see what they are buying. This is intentionally misleading by implying that the chip is something it's not, and had I not done quite a bit of research, I would likely have stepped into the trap myself. Now imagine someone without the information infrastructure I, and you, built for my/yourself over the years trying to figure out what to buy.

Plus, it's not just these mobile chips; their desktop APUs also always trail behind in their architecture, and there I find it almost worse because the only denominator there is a single letter at the end. Now try to tell someone not tech savy that their 5600G isn't a Ryzen 5000 with an iGPU, but actually a Ryzen 3000 with an iGPU despite being named almost the exact same as the actual Ryzen 5600s...

On the topic of Intel, they can be just as misleading indeed...


Uh. I saw them crapping on Intel and Nvidia quite a few times while they themselves were in absolutely no position to take potshots. Enough to turn me off them for quite a long time, actually (together with having other issues with their products...), because their comments were even worse than this which is mainly stupid.

And to be fair, while the 13th and 14th gen are quite disappointing, it's three generations on the same socket at least I guess. That wasn't even the case with Skylake, so yay, at least some kind of progress made I guess, even if tiny? It's an additional year of life for the 600 boards at least.

typically Intel is 2 gen socket life to even call the 14th a gen would be a lie ..
so yes still 2 gens per socket life ..

The only reason why 14th exists is to sell the better binned ( if that ) 13th and slap a 14th gen name on it !!

Until i see the 15th 16th and 17th on the next socket i dont believe intel will ever go past 2 gens !!

even before the 14th i predicted it would be 11th gen all over again !!

I would be surprised if intel can turn this around ever they have lost in nearly every market to AMD ( not fan boying but facts ) AMD owns server, hand helds , consoles ,apu's and quickly winning desktop DIY !!

We need Intel to keep AMD honest but right now they have nothing to compete im not even hopeful that 15th will claw back sales ..

Unless they can offer long socket life and X3d !!

 

[Colif]

I was waiting for intel to stop at 10 but no, bigger numbers = better... so maybe I be dead before they hit their 99999k model.

Number systems are like games, none of them want to reach 10. Intel and Nvidia kept restarting before they hit 10. I guess it was becoming too obvious once they hit 9000 what would happen next... so now the end is where?

This reminds me of Franchises like MW3 that pretend its only the 3rd game when there are 43 in the series.

Android used to name their OS after food but that got too hard even for them. Need to make own symbols and make other people work it out, make it so complicated people can't predict what is next... oh wait, thats the AMD method.

 

[KyaraM]

typically Intel is 2 gen socket life to even call the 14th a gen would be a lie ..
so yes still 2 gens per socket life ..

The only reason why 14th exists is to sell the better binned ( if that ) 13th and slap a 14th gen name on it !!

Until i see the 15th 16th and 17th on the next socket i dont believe intel will ever go past 2 gens !!

even before the 14th i predicted it would be 11th gen all over again !!

I would be surprised if intel can turn this around ever they have lost in nearly every market to AMD ( not fan boying but facts ) AMD owns server, hand helds , consoles ,apu's and quickly winning desktop DIY !!

We need Intel to keep AMD honest but right now they have nothing to compete im not even hopeful that 15th will claw back sales ..

Unless they can offer long socket life and X3d !!

First off, punctuation marks go directly after the last word in the sentence without a space in between, and they go alone, not in pairs, unless you really want to extra punctuate something. Ad for that I recommend triples.

Second, please temper your wishful thinking. Not too long ago, AMD teetered on the brink of bankruptcy because of their own idiocy. Intel is still some way off that point, and unless you have a very good crystal ball that accurately predicts the future to a piint that you should rather use it for predicting useful stuff, maybe don't make overboarding claims like that. It's not as if they never were behind in the past.

 

[Colif]

 

[spicy_cat]

Imagine trying to explain to the purchasing department why the engineers need an "RTX A5000 ADA" and no, the "RTX A5000" without the ADA isnt a viable substitute even if it was 20% cheaper.

Apparently if you're the underdog you want a more straightforward naming scheme so you can try to show how your thing is better than the big guys equivalent. But if you're the big player you want the naming scheme as convoluted as possible so people overpay because they think they're getting more than they actually are. Maybe this is a sign AMD is getting cocky.