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Your strongarming comment is false.

This, in fact, was a debate with a past pro-AMD user who turned Intel completely (bought an Intel system) once AMD really became dishonest. You may have read him here, Sabbath.
Trust me when I say, he had the same view as you. But I could dig up his thread where you can see that the comment about Intel strongarming is completely false.

In fact, I wish you could back that up! If to make this debate get more interesting, really! Go Kinney, go Kinney!

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Furthermore, nVidia COULD make a great AMD buyer, but their marketting could be *GASP!* worse than AMD's -Could it be?-, and imagine what would happen.
Even more inflated PRs, with a "The K7 core is 2003's best GPU" add on their site like they did with the FX5800! OH THE HUMANITY! *cries*

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You need some lovin', I got the rubbin'.
Common, let's hump.

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PS: New sexy users' sites now added! :smile: <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eden on 08/05/03 10:12 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
4GB of RAM would probably be the most helpfull, but an SMP settup would be much appreciated!

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I remember seeing Sabbaths post, I liked him.

Eh, your looking at the wrong guy for proof.. LOL
Much to lazy, just to prove a stupid point.
Thats why I tried to let everyone know that was just my feelings and assumptions because proving things becomes ever so difficult. :smile:

But for fun, I will post some interesting news if you guys havent read it before.

<b>I want to assert myself that I will not be going back and forth with any of you stupidass fanboys about any of this. This is not directed towards you eden.</b>

First-

NEW YORK (CNNfn) - Intel Corp. and Motorola Inc. said Friday they have settled a lawsuit alleging Intel misappropriated trade secrets by hiring more than a dozen of ex-Motorola employees. Terms of the settlement were not disclosed.

The suit focused on the hiring of 15 former Motorola engineers for Intel's microprocessor development center, geared toward the design of chips for use in personal computers, located in Austin, Texas.

Motorola believed Intel expressly set up the new facility to lure away Motorola employees. Motorola's suit was built around an arcane area of business law that says that employees hired by a competing firm would inevitably turn over trade secrets - willfully or not.

"We really believe it accomplished our objective and clearly addresses Motorola's concerns," said Motorola spokeswoman Nan McRaven.

The million dollar question is this: If Intel was not guilty of the crime as charged, why it had to pay to Motorola to drop the charges of stealing trade secrets from Motorola?
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<A HREF="http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,7187,00.html" target="_new">Or this fun bit as the FTC Investigates Unfair business practices by intel</A>

<A HREF="http://www.techlawjournal.com/atr/80714intc.htm" target="_new">More here</A>

<A HREF="http://inquirerinside.com/?article=8961" target="_new">But I must say, this piece is my favorite article.. he doesnt deny the monopoly, he just points out how pathetic intel can be in the face of puny AMD and it is all true information</A>

edit- I highly suggest the 3rd link to everyone as its got some damn good points and a not a dry read at least.

Athlon 1700+, Epox 8RDA (NForce2), Maxtor Diamondmax Plus 9 80GB 8MB cache, 2x256mb Crucial PC2100 in Dual DDR, Geforce 3, Audigy, Z560s, MX500<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by kinney on 08/05/03 10:39 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
I have no money. I have $800 in in-store credit at a local computer store, $5 in my pocket, and I owe zpyhrd $50.

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What'd HE do, provide you some of his Hooter ladies?

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Your comments are very interesting. However, if I may, I'd like to give a few points that I see...(OK...so I am giving my opinion here....go ahead and shoot me.. LOL!)

It seems to me that Intel has changed their business strategy once they got the performance crown back (Or possibly changed their strategy, THEN got the lead back...). You must admit that they have poured LOTS of money into research to gain the crown back. But now that they have the lead back, and the gap is only widening, they have room to spare.

Obviously, the better your product works, the more of the market you will likely garner. In this case, Intel already has almost TOO MUCH market share. They cannot afford to gain much more. Instead of going for market share, they go for the high end, leaving mid and low end to AMD for now. And if AMD DOES manage to regain a little market share, it gives AMD a better shot at survival, and gives Intel a little more breathing room, to avoid anti-trust allegations and a whirlwind of lawsuits.

By doing this, AMD survives a while longer, possibly giving them more time to do something to save themselves, without a "serious" threat of Intel moving in on them more than is currently happening.

However, as with all things, the more time you give, the bigger, better, faster, and more you get, which means that by this time next year, The current high-end processors will become mid-range, and in 2 years, will be considered low-end. If Intel keeps their tech roadmap and their current pricing scheme, they will pretty much own price/performance in high, mid, and low end system categories in 2 years, as they are constantly introducing bigger, better, faster things...and price/performance is the only thing AMD has to sell right now (for desktop). And as we all know, AMD won't stay afloat just by selling Opterons.

Even we enthusiasts upgrade our computers in this same manner. Most of us will not pay top dollar for our upgrades, but rather, we will wait until it becomes more within our price range and becomes more feasible. Then, we enthusiasts, much like the normal consumer, buy. (Ever go to an after-Christmas sale?) Eventually, using this model, Intel will have a processor thats available to all consumers, at the price they want. And to top it all off, if AMD were to come up with something between now and then, all Intel would have to do would be to drop prices to comparative levels, and force a move from AMD to drop their prices further.

What makes it all worse is the fact that Intel has been the "Standard" by which ALL other processors have been measured. It's kinda hard to win when playing by someone else's rules and they keep on changing the rules...

I hate to be a doomsayer, but it does appear that Intel may be on the only path available to them. They have to continue to be the leader of this market and keep their investors happy, yet they have to do what they can to keep AMD alive too. And unfortunately, it appears that in the next few years, unless AMD "pulls a rabbit out of their hat", Intel won't be able to do anything to stop the inevitable, where AMD folds, and Intel gets broken up as a monopoly. But from there...who knows where the future will go?....



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You know poopy, you are just so rabid about being anti-intel even if you hated amd also, you would be a zealot for them. It's pretty funny actually when you stop to think about it. A zealot flaming... people for being... zealots.

Personally, Intel is tops right now, I suspect based on what has been published thus far it won't be changing in the near future even with 100w of heat.

The vast majority of people are fanatics for whatever is presently tops. I generally prefer intel, but they can't compare mid/low range to amd very well performance to price wise.

Shadus
 
I am pretty tired of loud computers to get good performance. I'm pretty happy with my P4C with a Zalman CNPS7000 now, though it does run at up to 60 deg C at load.
 
While I can see your point of view, I completely disagree with your final conclusion. This kind of argument will certainly make you choose one company over another, but that is not the choice that is to be made. I usually choose a processor, NOT a company! I think that makes more sense as a consumer, and I can't see the vast majority of people thinking differently.

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Thanks for the tactful reply slvr phoenix...It's good to know that there are people out there that have a lil-bit-o old fashioned class and knowledge...

Let me clarify a few things you asked on:
And I really don't understand what you were trying to say that he was trying to be general in his posts. Could you please clarify?
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What I meant there is regarding the stigma he was attaching to Intel fans and AMD fans. I think he was being vague and broad to accentuate his argument. Despite this being the wrong approach at providing support for any argument...I would tend to agree with him on this in one part only and I went into detail on this part in the first paragraph of my last post. Summed up...Intel has been synonymous with stable, higher priced top performing CPU's and AMD has been synonymous with high heat, lower end, lower performance, reasonably priced, overclockable CPU's.

I think we are seeing a change with this though as clock speeds are going up. Intel has a clear advantage with hyper threading and the FSB speed. But what would happen if AMD jumped their bus up significantly? Then hyper threading might be the only thing separating them, and that is just a way of processing data. Perhaps instead of 2 threads, someone will come up with a way to do 4 threads? Super-Hyper threading anyone? 😛 Sorry, got off on a tangent there. What I'm saying is...even though pope was being general for the wrong reason and stereotyping people...I thought there was a little bit of truth to that stereotype.

Point taken on the lack of competition. That's something I've not really thought about before. Now that I do think about it, you may be right. I have a feeling that growth in technology for CPU's will stagnate soon though as we run out of room for transistors. Hopefully that will slow it down enough for other components to catch up.

I also agree with you that AMD really needs to take a reality check and reform their company from the inside to the outside. They have major internal problems that limit their company potential. I think perhaps they've been playing catch up for so long that they don't know how to come up with original ideas that could vault them to the front. You know, you can only get second place for so long before you start to not even miss getting first place. Perhaps they're just filling the role they've been placed in and are having a difficult time hopping out of the rut...know what I mean? Then again, I might be an incredible arse that just has a bass ackwards opinion. That's about it from me.

PS: Good to know that there are people that come here that aren't just enthusiasts but actual *gasp* engineers/programmers with some knowledge to share. i.e. I do the electrical engineering thing, which makes it nice for Tshooting hardware probs but makes me a retarded donkey when it comes to software probs. I'm glad for THGC cuz I've been helped so much here it's not even funny. I'd be lost if I didn't have it to help me with my winblows probs and program snafu's. Anyways...I hope pope takes the time (dunno if he will) to check out the way an intellectual, well thought out posting exchange is supposed to go and uses this new found experience to his advantage.

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here's the recipe:

-Get all chocolate/marshmallow and a small twig or stick within reach on your couch
-Get a lighter
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-combine chocolate/marshmallow on small twig/stick and use lighter to attain desired perfection of melted ingredients
-smush ingredients into graham crackers and eat
-wash down with more beer
-wash beer used to wash down smores with hard alcohol or more beer preferably from a freshly opened container as to avoid melted markshmallow contamination from top of previously quaffed beverage contianer.

VioLA! Couch SMORES! These are especially good when coming off of a 3 day alcohol binge in an East Coast beach house with limited food supply. Copy this recipe down cuz itsa keeper!

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TKS
 
I feel I did choose a processor.. my reasoning for not choosing intel now is because I already have the hardware to easily upgrade my athlon and get the same performance for about $100 (2500+) rather than a new mobo ($150) + a retail fan/hs cpu combo ($180?).

I dont consider myself a "low end" guy as I like performance but I might be a cheapskate and even though the 800mhz fsb P4s are awesome I have trouble not feeling the athlon processor is so great competition anymore, but the Nforce2 is where the athlons real strength lays now.

That company chipset is a godsend for AMD.
I'm building a 2nd system just because they are such nice setups and I doubt any non gaming user could max out a loaded nforce2 with a 2500+.
And a gamer such as myself finds it a very good deal for a 2nd machine.

Ok im rambling.. anyway.
:smile:

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No i totally agree...it seems like many people here enjoy watching 3dmark more than they enjoy playing games...most games don't even rely on the graphics card...hell i bet a pIII with a 9700pro would be able to play all games out today at good frame rates...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
 
This is where you can be wrong. Lately we've had the worst of monkey programmers, making games entirely depending on CPU. That in turn, makes even excellent old P3 systems with such high-end cards, obsolete, VIRTUALLY!

As long as we live in crap programming, we'll get that sad reality.

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That and some games are just such memory hogs that you'd be hard-pressed to find an actual P3 owner with enough memory to not be slogged down by the switch to virtual memory. Hell, I had to upgrade the RAM on my Celeron500 just so that my wife could play The Sims with only three expansions installed.

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NO don't say such things...your making my pIII sound obsolete :frown:

I know very little about programing...but i do agree...splinter cell could quite possibly be the most inefficiently programmed game ever...it gets less than 90fps on top of the line systems...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
 
UT 2003 actually takes quite a bit to run it smoothly as well. But i think that's just because the amount of polygons (smooth structures that look smooth!) :)

I'm just your average habitual smiler =D
 
well since my birthday is commin up...i think i am gonna give myself a treat and get a 9500 non pro and a celery 1.1....we'll see how my gamming performance increases...it should increase by quite a bit compared to my pIII 700 and Rage pro 8mb (haw haw)...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
 
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