News Intel customer scores Core i9-14900K as a replacement for degraded Core i9-13900K — another received a $599 check for a fully working Core i9-13900K

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I built with the 14900K nine months ago and have had no stability issues. I have done some CPU intensive tasks though and one time my Corsair iQUE acted up and my fans didn't switch on and my CPU was running very hot for a while (7 minutes or so) before I noticed it. ASUS Dark Pro Motherboard.
Is there any way to testy the CPU to see if there has been any damage? One gets paranoid after reading so many of these reports of damaged 13 and 14900K CPUs. I did download and run the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool and the CPU passed all the tests.
 
These errors to the benefit and loss to the consumer are probably due to individual employees handling the returns and their circumstances.

If you have been getting trolled all day you may be overly skeptical of a customers claim and if you are lazy or overworked you might not have time to verify that a chip is broke.

So long as the errors are very uncommon I don't see an issue.
 
I built with the 14900K nine months ago and have had no stability issues. I have done some CPU intensive tasks though and one time my Corsair iQUE acted up and my fans didn't switch on and my CPU was running very hot for a while (7 minutes or so) before I noticed it. ASUS Dark Pro Motherboard.
Is there any way to testy the CPU to see if there has been any damage? One gets paranoid after reading so many of these reports of damaged 13 and 14900K CPUs. I did download and run the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool and the CPU passed all the tests.
The only cited test by users I have seen is to run the latest nVidia graphic package installer multiple times, which seems to be notorious for crashing 13/14 gen systems with damage. If you dont have an nvidia gpu, then I am not sure what to do.
 
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I built with the 14900K nine months ago and have had no stability issues. I have done some CPU intensive tasks though and one time my Corsair iQUE acted up and my fans didn't switch on and my CPU was running very hot for a while (7 minutes or so) before I noticed it. ASUS Dark Pro Motherboard.
Is there any way to testy the CPU to see if there has been any damage? One gets paranoid after reading so many of these reports of damaged 13 and 14900K CPUs. I did download and run the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool and the CPU passed all the tests.
Your CPU came with some voltage headroom where you could undervolt. If you knew what your minimum stable voltage was before the software deal you could see if that is unchanged. If unchanged then there doesn't seem to be any degradation damage.
If you didn't know your minimum stable voltage and it might have changed, but is still fine at your stock? settings then it may or may not have been damaged but there is probably no easy way to know and probably no consequence.

I'm guessing not a lot happened because these chips do thermal throttle.

Edit: If you did know your minimum stable voltage and that did increase under very similar conditions than there probably was some degradation. But if your chip still tests fine, just is 10-15mv worse than before then that is a loss, but probably not enough to return over since it is still good at stock.
 
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Personally think the check for release day price is a good offer to make right, it then leaves the consumer with a 90% build to go find another CPU for.

As a side note to this issue, was or is the final resolution supposed to be making sure you are running on a "stock undervolt"? In other words, making sure that you aren't overclocking nor that the motherboard is using a custom profile?

I really hate this happened in that it just made an entire two generations a gamble to upgrade to out of 12th gen. As an aside, it really should jank the value of these moving forward so the situation will probably turn into finding higher end CPU for well less than traditional worth at the chance that they are faulty.
 
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I've been working in warranty for years and this is nothing new to me.

In cases where Intel does not have a replacement available they offer a like for like or better processor. This can be in the form of a higher clocked model in the same range, for example a customer returns a 13500 and they offer a 13600 or 13700. In the case of high end models like the 13900's, besides maybe a slightly different model (K,KS,KF,F etc) there is not a lot of room for replacements so they will jump to the 14900 equivalent. As a side note, in years gone by with socket changes I have also seen Intel offer the equivalent in the new socket which we've often had to reject as it wasn't an option for the customer.

In cases where there is no possible replacement or the replacement offered is not accepted, Intel will process as a refund.

These errors to the benefit and loss to the consumer are probably due to individual employees handling the returns and their circumstances.

If you have been getting trolled all day you may be overly skeptical of a customers claim and if you are lazy or overworked you might not have time to verify that a chip is broke.

So long as the errors are very uncommon I don't see an issue.
These are not "errors" in the way the return is processed. Very few companies these days test their products when they are returned as it's simply not economically viable to pay workers to do this. There are also plenty of instances where manufacturers don't even want the faulty item back (just photo proof of destruction) and they'll send a replacement. There are even some don't even want that and it will just send a replacement but I digress. Back to the topic....

Intel's warranty return process works like this. During the initial contact you have to provide photo evidence of the CPU showing the serial number/ QR code in order for Intel to verify not only the exact CPU model but also that it is a legimate retail CPU that is still under warranty. Once that is done they do basic troubleshooting to confirm the fault then the return is approved and the CPU sent back.

When Intel receive the CPU, the only thing they do is check to confirm the received product matches what was applied for and check for physical damage. There is no army of workers checking these CPU's individually for the fault reported, once confirmed received in good order it's passed to the replacement team to process. In all my years sending CPU's (and Intel NUC's, SSD's, RAID Cards, Motherboards etc I should add) I have never had a single item rejected once returned to Intel, they just get replaced.
 
I had a busted I5-8500 many years ago, this was during cpu shortage, I was forced a refund although all I wanted was a replacement. I ended up getting a cheap 8100 online while I waited for the shortage to end then replaced that with a 9900KF.
 
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I built with the 14900K nine months ago and have had no stability issues. I have done some CPU intensive tasks though and one time my Corsair iQUE acted up and my fans didn't switch on and my CPU was running very hot for a while (7 minutes or so) before I noticed it. ASUS Dark Pro Motherboard.
Is there any way to testy the CPU to see if there has been any damage? One gets paranoid after reading so many of these reports of damaged 13 and 14900K CPUs. I did download and run the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool and the CPU passed all the tests.
You could only test some UE5 games or get the install Nvidia driver 10 times in a row to see if it have problem to a point stock voltage isn't stable anymore.

I've been working in warranty for years and this is nothing new to me.

In cases where Intel does not have a replacement available they offer a like for like or better processor. This can be in the form of a higher clocked model in the same range, for example a customer returns a 13500 and they offer a 13600 or 13700. In the case of high end models like the 13900's, besides maybe a slightly different model (K,KS,KF,F etc) there is not a lot of room for replacements so they will jump to the 14900 equivalent. As a side note, in years gone by with socket changes I have also seen Intel offer the equivalent in the new socket which we've often had to reject as it wasn't an option for the customer.

In cases where there is no possible replacement or the replacement offered is not accepted, Intel will process as a refund.


These are not "errors" in the way the return is processed. Very few companies these days test their products when they are returned as it's simply not economically viable to pay workers to do this. There are also plenty of instances where manufacturers don't even want the faulty item back (just photo proof of destruction) and they'll send a replacement. There are even some don't even want that and it will just send a replacement but I digress. Back to the topic....

Intel's warranty return process works like this. During the initial contact you have to provide photo evidence of the CPU showing the serial number/ QR code in order for Intel to verify not only the exact CPU model but also that it is a legimate retail CPU that is still under warranty. Once that is done they do basic troubleshooting to confirm the fault then the return is approved and the CPU sent back.

When Intel receive the CPU, the only thing they do is check to confirm the received product matches what was applied for and check for physical damage. There is no army of workers checking these CPU's individually for the fault reported, once confirmed received in good order it's passed to the replacement team to process. In all my years sending CPU's (and Intel NUC's, SSD's, RAID Cards, Motherboards etc I should add) I have never had a single item rejected once returned to Intel, they just get replaced.
For the testing thing it depends on regional dealers, in Asia, quite some countries are fully handled by dealers and intel will reject RMA directly (for 13th and 14th gen since there are too many cases they started handle direct RMA), they will need to bring the CPU to their service center and run some test and have an error appear before proceeding RMA.

But as always RMA was on/off a lottery, and when the issue is so widespread it tend to go worse, as the employees will get overworked and frustrated to a point of bad attitude, and when replacement shortage is severe one tend to be way more picky to slow down their daily work.
 
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"At least some RMAs are also being accepted without proof of CPU instability, which is surprising."

It doesn't surprise me.

Few vendor set up RMA processes that scale to a significant percentage of their production involving an issue that is so hard to diagnose in the first place, that it took them around a year to take it seriously.

They may lose money on unwarranted RMAs, but making that process reliable and execute it thus would be terribly expensive and essentially money wasted.

As long as the "RMA fraud" keeps within tolerable limits, it's the best of many bad choices.

And of course we're seeing plenty of professional fraudsters getting ready to produce perfect looking fake CPUs to swap for real parts..

What did surprise me is that they initially tried to make the RMAs so tough, I thought they'd learned from the FDIV bug.
 
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The only cited test by users I have seen is to run the latest nVidia graphic package installer multiple times, which seems to be notorious for crashing 13/14 gen systems with damage. If you dont have an nvidia gpu, then I am not sure what to do.
I had a defective 13900k. Repacks were 100% fail rate. Didn't use to be that way, then started failing at 80% to 60% to eventually not being able to get past 10%. At stock settings, crash was a very fast BSOD. 253w/253w/400a resulted in app crashes. Also shader comp was instant crash until CEP was enabled with power limits. I knew it was the CPU when I could configure it to complete both actions, but 100% fail at stock settings.

My new RMA 13900k has never crashed on many many repacks. Ironically, the newest microcode update would had stabilized my damaged 13900k as CEP became enabled on auto, unlike being off on auto before. My damaged one would had crashed at 253w, and repacks always pushed all 24 cores to 253w. CEP limited me to 200w max during the same decompression installs. Ironically at 253w when it app crashed, it would show a brief "power limit throttle" during this crash.

I'm guessing since so many not Intel owners fanned the flames to push people to RMA, Intel took them all and if they passed the tests, likely sent out those same CPUs to another user claiming CPU degradation. If you did have degradation, you would know though. It wasn't a "Do I? Don't I? How do I test?". I thought for the longest time it must had been the RAM, because the system shut down so fast with a BSOD blink to power off completely. It would say boot failure afterwards and load default settings (no xmp) and not boot. I'd have to load, restart, do BIOS setting profile, and boot again.
 
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I started my RMA on August 10, 2024. I finally had a reply on the 18th. I gave them all my info, answered all their questions. Later, around August 21, I received the same questions, the same request for the same information I had already given. Then, I finally received the UPS label email on the 26th of August. Did every according to their instructions, print this, type this, 3 copies of the commercial invoice, UPS label, ticket number on the box. Sent box, that weighs 1lb, with all documents, all according to UPS and Intel's instructions. Drop it off at UPS. Shipped on the 29th, Arrived in Louisville, Kentucky on the 2nd of September. It is in a UPS depot in Louisville. Had 6 "rescheduled package" on tracking information off UPS website. Had 4 confirmed delivery dates and time off the UPS website. Called UPS, they were supposed to callback. They didn't. Called again, September 16th, rep said she would call me back. She never did.

It's been over a month with zero results.

I am aware Intel must be getting truck loads of RMAs. I'm aware UPS have millions of packages to deliver.

I sent a dead CPU in a box the size of a Dunkin' Donuts dozen box. I didn't ship an Abrams M1A3. I shipped a CPU in its original box, with all documents required, in a box.

Intel's customer support, for obvious legal reasons, keeps sending the generic "we apologize" email.

Either way, whatever the heck they are doing down there in Kentucky,, I can not afford to wait any longer and will probably end up buying another CPU.

The package has passed customs. The package is in their depot. That's all I know. That's all the information I have even after calling UPS twice and contacting Intel (lost count) "X" amount of times

If the package was damaged, they never told me. I did not get a straight answer from anyone.

One month so far and zero results, no precise answers, nothing.

Dealing with some Intel CSR was challenging. I specifically told the rep that I can't get into the BIOS and log in Windows because the CPU is dead. They asked the same questions...again...3X over. Only after posting a reply in English, Japanese and French did they stop.

I know they follow scripts. However, at the very least, have some form of logic.

Wasted 10 days with being asked twice for my info. Another 7 for UPS label email being late. Add the extra weeks of delivery delays for unknown reasons. Add the annoying AI bot on the phone that is very linear. So, you need to throw it off to get to a human. Spoke to two humans at UPS with zero answers, zero replies, zero results.

I made sure the label was protected. I made sure the box could survive 50 kicks and 10G drops. I'm baffled by all of this. Just puzzled.

I'm not sure if others have had such an experience.
 
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I started my RMA on August 10, 2024. I finally had a reply on the 18th. I gave them all my info, answered all their questions. Later, around August 21, I received the same questions, the same request for the same information I had already given. Then, I finally received the UPS label email on the 26th of August. Did every according to their instructions, print this, type this, 3 copies of the commercial invoice, UPS label, ticket number on the box. Sent box, that weighs 1lb, with all documents, all according to UPS and Intel's instructions. Drop it off at UPS. Shipped on the 29th, Arrived in Louisville, Kentucky on the 2nd of September. It is in a UPS depot in Louisville. Had 6 "rescheduled package" on tracking information off UPS website. Had 4 confirmed delivery dates and time off the UPS website. Called UPS, they were supposed to callback. They didn't. Called again, September 16th, rep said she would call me back. She never did.

It's been over a month with zero results.

I am aware Intel must be getting truck loads of RMAs. I'm aware UPS have millions of packages to deliver.

I sent a dead CPU in a box the size of a Dunkin' Donuts dozen box. I didn't ship an Abrams M1A3. I shipped a CPU in its original box, with all documents required, in a box.

Intel's customer support, for obvious legal reasons, keeps sending the generic "we apologize" email.

Either way, whatever the heck they are doing down there in Kentucky,, I can not afford to wait any longer and will probably end up buying another CPU.

The package has passed customs. The package is in their depot. That's all I know. That's all the information I have even after calling UPS twice and contacting Intel (lost count) "X" amount of times

If the package was damaged, they never told me. I did not get a straight answer from anyone.

One month so far and zero results, no precise answers, nothing.

Dealing with some Intel CSR was challenging. I specifically told the rep that I can't get into the BIOS and log in Windows because the CPU is dead. They asked the same questions...again...3X over. Only after posting a reply in English, Japanese and French did they stop.

I know they follow scripts. However, at the very least, have some form of logic.

Wasted 10 days with being asked twice for my info. Another 7 for UPS label email being late. Add the extra weeks of delivery delays for unknown reasons. Add the annoying AI bot on the phone that is very linear. So, you need to throw it off to get to a human. Spoke to two humans at UPS with zero answers, zero replies, zero results.

I made sure the label was protected. I made sure the box could survive 50 kicks and 10G drops. I'm baffled by all of this. Just puzzled.

I'm not sure if others have had such an experience.
It should be depending on luck at this time I guess. When the issue is so well known. Now and tests afloat to do the “rare case scenario” runs a lot of originally “not yet identified” degradations will be afloat (e.g. those with UE5 crashes but normally don’t play games) and they will flood the RMA, together with some fraud requests.

And it won’t help that the 14th gen is at EOL and I believe their production would’ve been slowed down quite a while ago. Now you have to face X% of RMA especially the more difficult to produce higher end SKUs you got a perfect sh__ storm to deal with.

They could well be buying time to sort out stocks and money to try minimise the loss now in your case
 
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It should be depending on luck at this time I guess. When the issue is so well known. Now and tests afloat to do the “rare case scenario” runs a lot of originally “not yet identified” degradations will be afloat (e.g. those with UE5 crashes but normally don’t play games) and they will flood the RMA, together with some fraud requests.

And it won’t help that the 14th gen is at EOL and I believe their production would’ve been slowed down quite a while ago. Now you have to face X% of RMA especially the more difficult to produce higher end SKUs you got a perfect sh__ storm to deal with.

They could well be buying time to sort out stocks and money to try minimise the loss now in your casei
My issue isn't Intel's production of CPUs. I have no solid evidence of this. I can't rely on anecdotes unless I hear it directly from Intel. The internet is rampant with conjectures.

My issue is UPS can't get a simple 1lb box to Intel and Intel can't give a straight answer. Intel can manufacture high-tech equipment but can't give me a simple, straight, truthful answer on the whereabouts and situation with my RMA and package sent to them. I gave Intel the tracking number. I don't get paid to do their work.

They can design chips like i9, Xeon and others but their support team can only cut-and-paste the same generic "we apologize, blah, blah, blah".

How many UPS and Intel employees does it take to get their hands on a box with a CPU in it? Wow. Unbelievable!

Intel Customer Support team told me they "would monitor" and "update me". UPS' customer support failed twice. They were to call me (twice). They didn't. Why tell me, "Sir, can we call you back" and not do it? First time, I hit "1" for callback. They didn't. Second time, I spoke with a human being, UPS customer staff being paid to do their job, and they didn't.

There's a box in a warehouse with a UPS bar code and QR on it. Just tell me why the package isn't at Intel or tell me why it hasn't been delivered? There were no hurricanes in Louisville. No earthquakes. No alien invasion. Just sun, bit of rain, that's all. What is the problem?

Again, how many UPS employees does it take to get a simple package to Intel?

Intel has accomplished zero in my RMA and neither has UPS. UPS has one job to do, a job they advertise to the world that they are the best at and, guess what? They have one job to do, and they failed. UPS, not Little Bobby's Delivery service. No, UPS. A full-blown shipping company. Intel is an American heavy weight also and they've accomplished nothing so far.

It's not about EOL products. It's not about degradation. It's about getting a 1lb box the size of a medium size shoe box from one building to another.

Intel also trumpeted that UPS is exclusive shipping distributor for Intel. The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife, chainsaw, laser, diamond bit hole saw. It's farcical.

You do make a point regards to your subjects. It's not why my RMA is now at over 30 days.

My issue is a package stuck in limbo at a UPS warehouse.

My issue is Intel's tardiness, gaffs, and miscommunication within their own support staff.

This is not a stock or inventory issue. It's two 800lb gorillas that can't give me an answer or get a package from one building to another. The Intel HQ in Louisville is in Louisville. The UPS warehouse is in Louisville. Intel is not on Mars and UPS is not on some planet in Andromeda.

First, I dealt with a disorganized Intel customer support team. They costed me over a week for asking me my information. Then they cost me another week emailing me the UPS label. Then UPS, for whatever reason can't get my shipment over to Intel. Why? No one can give me an answer.

My package, again, has all the proper documents, forms, everything. This is not a production, EOL, or wafer production issues. It's taking a 1lb box from A to B.

UPS is a huge American worldwide multinational that, for reasons unknown can't give me a straight answer why my package hasn't reached Intel. UPS ships worldwide. they ship anything, anywhere (mostly anywhere) and again for reasons unknown to me can't ship my 1lb box to Intel. That's baffling.

UPS doesn't stop barking aloud how they have the best tracking. best shipment, best team, blah, blah, blah. It's on TV, YouTube, X, everywhere. The best in the world can't get my box to Intel.

Intel doesn't stop advertising how they're the best, performance, advance tech, giving the consumer the best, blah, blah, wah, wah...and we're over 30 days, no results, nothing. I told them to call UPS. Haven't heard from their "support team. Why call it support?

It's not customs. It passed customs a long time ago. It's not EOL or production errors. It's about delivering one box. Epic fail.

Over a month and the biggest, bad, #1 American corporations in their own field have failed and given me no results, zero, nothing.
 
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Wow. I want to slap or kick someone at Intel and UPS, hard, real hard. This is beyond disorganized and infuriating. Intel was kept up to date with all their gaffs, UPS' inability to deliver a simple package. I am baffled at their infuriating incompetence.

Just beyond incomprehensible how idiotic they are. Tail doesn't know what the head is thinking.

Fire them, please.
 
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Called UPS U.S.A. a third time, today, September 16, 2024. Rep told me it goes back to customs. Ok, fine. Then what happened when it went on the truck that drove to Intel? Why is it back? What are the clowns at Intel doing? Why is the package going back to the warehouse? It's been back to the warehouse sixteen times. Confirmed delivery and all.

Rep told me he'd call back if the phone would cut off. It did. He didn't call back. Wow.

Cherry on the sundae was getting the email from Intel stating they haven't received the package. Really? Well, according to UPS it went on a truck, went to Intel and then back to the warehouse. Only to be rescheduled for another time, another, another, and more.

What are they doing at Intel shipping/receiving dock? My package is a simple box with an Intel original CPU i7 13700K box. It's not an alien singularity doomsday device.

I cannot file a claim with UPS because it is delivered through Intel corporate UPS account. Shoot me. Now.

So, I berated Intel on this and many other facts I had shared with them regarding the package, my RMA, and well...incompetence. Sorry, no polite way to put it.

I did not do anything abnormal in packaging my dead CPU. I did not write "BOMB" on the box. I did not send a box that's loose and damaged. It was properly packaged, had all the correct documents, ticket number on the box and an official UPS label on it (protected with packaging transparent tape to avoid damage).

UPS then took the documents, the box, scanned it here in Canada and shipped it out on the 29th of August.

Not trying to launch a space probe out to Europa. Sending ONE box to Kentucky by UPS with all their best of the best tracking and shipping.

I can only conclude the problem is on Intel's side. UPS put my box on their truck, drove to Intel and then, I guess, they smoked something, drank moonshine and the package went back to the depot, back through customs.

I bet the customs agents must be, "Oh, f___! What the?! This package again?! Why? Why? Why are there no monkeys in North America? Are unicorns real?"

Seriously, what are the odds? Everybody I know has had their RMA done in 2 weeks tops. The majority. If you opt for the rush $25 delivery, it's even quicker.

The more I think about it, the more I think it's Intel. Intel, please, get your act together! Ship me a CPU or send me a refund. It cost $40US or so to manufacture that CPU they sell for $410US.

I'm going to go out and buy a lottery ticket.
 
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I always had positive experience with Intel warranty services. Once with a network card, and once with SSD drive. Never dealt with CPU warranty so far.
The only warranty experience I've had with Intel is the release A750 I had had some unfixable security bug. It ran fine, but was one of the early production models that couldn't be fixed. So I sent it in for a replacement. I don't think the whole deal took two weeks from first inquiry to new A750 in my system. Which oc'd to exactly the same clocks btw.
It's an LE edition and I really hope Battlemage has a cooler very similar to that one. A nice tight little two slot.
 
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