How do all you 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th generation Intel "they don't have to innovate" fanbois feel now ?? Intel hit a grand slam with SB and then rested on their laurels and sandbagged innovation and development because idiots like you people continued to gladly gobble up CPU's with >5% IPC gains generation after generation and pad their profit margin regardless. I honestly can't blame people for buying them at the time because there was really no competition, but to defend and justify it as so many did and still do is a completely different story entirely. Now Intel is stuck on 14nm+++++++++++ with no clear path to 10nm in the near future or at all really and will likely end up abandoning the process entirely and starting from scratch. All of this while AMD is well on track if not ahead of schedule on the 7nm node for 2019.. As far as I am concerned Intel has hardly even countered 1st gen Ryzen with little more than a glorified paper launch as the 14nm process is so tapped out that 8th and 9th gen chips have suffered from massive production, availability and subsequently cost issues. Intel threw every last ditch trick they had laying around to try and make it look like they had effectively countered Ryzen, but their dated fab can't keep up and they haven't countered a damn thing. In reality Intel has done little more than delay the inevitable with a smoke screen of CPU's that they can't even really produce in any kind of effective way.. What are they going to do when AMD launches 7nm 8c/16t desktop SKU's sporting 4+ Ghz base clocks and likely sub 65w TDP's pricing in between i5's and i7's in a handful of months ?? Right now, it looks like not a damn thing is what they are going to do... Good, serves em right and their fanbois...