Intel slashes quarterly dividend to $0.125 per share.
Intel Cuts Dividend to Spend More on Fabs : Read more
Intel Cuts Dividend to Spend More on Fabs : Read more
That was meant to fund investments in fab capacity - not a windfall for their investors!Didn't they just get guaranteed 20+ billion dollars from taxpayers through the CHIPS act?
Their stockholders should be glad they're still getting any dividend, at all! IMO, dividends should be tied to profits. When you extract resources from a company that's losing money, that's a bet against its future, which is not what investing is supposed to be for.Is there any compensation to stock holders for reduced dividends? No, of course not.
Mark Zuckerberg saw his net worth drop $30 billion in one day. $11 billion over a week by a company the size of Intel isn't even newsworthy.If the game was, who can lose $11 billion in market cap the quickest.
Intel would be killing it!
February 15rd: $118B
February 21nd: $107B
That was meant to fund investments in fab capacity - not a windfall for their investors!
Their stockholders should be glad they're still getting any dividend, at all! IMO, dividends should be tied to profits. When you extract resources from a company that's losing money, that's a bet against its future, which is not what investing is supposed to be for.
We need to bring sanity to the dividend culture, on Wall St. We love to blame foreign governments for destroying our industries, but we fail to consider the role of our own investors.
Didn't they just get guaranteed 20+ billion dollars from taxpayers through the CHIPS act? Is there any compensation to stock holders for reduced dividends? No, of course not.
Eh, the Nasdaq Composite dropped 4.8% in the same time period, so about half of that was just the overall trend.If the game was, who can lose $11 billion in market cap the quickest.
Intel would be killing it!
February 15rd: $118B
February 21nd: $107B
It's not the absolute amount that matters as much as the %. In this case, we're talking 9.3% which is non-trivial. How bad it is depends a lot on whether and by how much it was overvalued to begin with. I'd also look at how far off its peak it is, because that could tell you how far underwater some might be.$11 billion over a week by a company the size of Intel isn't even newsworthy.
I'm sure you know what I mean. This idea that they're going to pay out a fixed amount, no matter how well or poorly the company is doing, is just insane. I can see that kind of logic for a true commodities company, like maybe a toilet paper manufacturer, with extremely stable costs and revenues, but even then you can just peg it to their quartly profit and the effect ought to be similar enough.Dividends are tied to profits. In this case, it's past profits that the company has not yet paid out (retained earnings).
They had the same dividend strategy since the early 90s. So they were insane for three decades and only now decided, "You know what? The fever dream is over, time to makes some reasonable decisions." They say specifically that they are cutting dividends to focus on new manufacturing capacity. I quote from the article, "[Intel] reset its dividend policy to reduce quarterly dividend payments in a bid to maintain spending on new manufacturing capacity that is set to be deployed in the coming years..." So as I said initially, they are set to get 20 billion dollars from taxpayers for their effort to increase manufacturing capacity and yet reduce their dividend yield by 66% because apparently 20 billion dollars was not enough. Lets wait and see how much of these billions of dollars from the government and the billions they will save in dividend payouts end up in the executive suites hands.I'm sure you know what I mean. This idea that they're going to pay out a fixed amount, no matter how well or poorly the company is doing, is just insane. I can see that kind of logic for a true commodities company, like maybe a toilet paper manufacturer, with extremely stable costs and revenues, but even then you can just peg it to their quartly profit and the effect ought to be similar enough.
They weren't building up a new fab division for 3 decades...They had the same dividend strategy since the early 90s. So they were insane for three decades and only now decided, "You know what? The fever dream is over, time to makes some reasonable decisions." They say specifically that they are cutting dividends to focus on new manufacturing capacity. I quote from the article, "[Intel] reset its dividend policy to reduce quarterly dividend payments in a bid to maintain spending on new manufacturing capacity that is set to be deployed in the coming years..." So as I said initially, they are set to get 20 billion dollars from taxpayers for their effort to increase manufacturing capacity and yet reduce their dividend yield by 66% because apparently 20 billion dollars was not enough. Lets wait and see how much of these billions of dollars from the government and the billions they will save in dividend payouts end up in the executive suites hands.
I was specifically concerned with the American's that invested into the stock for dividends that also paid for, at least in part, the CHIPS act only to be slapped in the face.They weren't building up a new fab division for 3 decades...
Also the 20bil is a part of an up to 100bil investment, it's a lot but it's by far not a huge part of the whole investmetn.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/intel-plans-20-billion-chip-manufacturing-site-in-ohio.html
They will spend another 80 bil in europe.
https://sciencebusiness.net/news/eu-hails-eu80-billion-intel-investment-first-success-chips-act
But you acted as if the CHIPS act money would cover everything intel is doing...I was specifically concerned with the American's that invested into the stock for dividends that also paid for, at least in part, the CHIPS act only to be slapped in the face.
Intel is pillaging its dividend payout, and is planning on spending 20+ billion in tax payer dollars. I don't see how this can be considered positive for the average American with 100+ intel stock. Intel is down 16% in one month and 25% in 6 months.But you acted as if the CHIPS act money would cover everything intel is doing...
Stockholders have been informed well beforehand that heavy investment into FABs is going to happen, anybody with two brain-cells to rub together knows that big investments means potential for leaner times until it's done.I don't see how this can be considered positive for the average American with 100+ intel stock.
How long they've had it is meaningless. It happened to work out for them, because they enjoyed continued success in a rapidly growing market. It's when "the chips are down", so to speak, that bad ideas & policies are truly tested. Haven't you ever heard the term "creative destruction"?They had the same dividend strategy since the early 90s. So they were insane for three decades and only now decided, "You know what? The fever dream is over, time to makes some reasonable decisions."
It came too late. They started having problems with their manufacturing progress, all the way back in the transition to 14 nm, which is why the Broadwell desktop SKUs got cancelled. That's when they should've sat up and taken notice that they were under-investing in their manufacturing. The trends have been clear for a long time that each new node is becoming more and more expensive to develop. Their cowardly management and unsupportive board just wanted to keep their heads buried in the sand and keep milking the cash cow a little bit longer, even if doing so was bad for its health.They say specifically that they are cutting dividends to focus on new manufacturing capacity.
It doesn't arrive all at once. It's spread over multiple years, so yeah it's not enough. Intel is still bearing the bulk of the costs, which would've been fine if its revenues had continued as they expected.apparently 20 billion dollars was not enough.
Most executive compensation is via stock. So, the dividend cut is a little more fair in that it hits them also (both directly and indirectly, if the stock price drops because of it).Lets wait and see how much of these billions of dollars from the government and the billions they will save in dividend payouts end up in the executive suites hands.
Don't act so aggrieved. Investors are always (or should be) the first in line to suffer, when a company underperforms. It's the job of investors to account for the risks, when deciding which stocks to buy, hold, and sell.I was specifically concerned with the American's that invested into the stock for dividends that also paid for, at least in part, the CHIPS act only to be slapped in the face.
It's called an investment in future fab capacity, because they believe they can make that money back + profits. If they thought otherwise, they wouldn't be doing it.Intel is pillaging its dividend payout, and is planning on spending 20+ billion in tax payer dollars. I don't see how this can be considered positive for the average American with 100+ intel stock. Intel is down 16% in one month and 25% in 6 months.
If a lot of TSMC capacity suddenly goes offline, this could end up looking like a strategic masterstroke.But Intel seems to be going all out in the fab business which I don't know if it is a wise choice. Go big or go home concept can go both ways.
I'm sure you know what I mean. This idea that they're going to pay out a fixed amount, no matter how well or poorly the company is doing, is just insane. I can see that kind of logic for a true commodities company, like maybe a toilet paper manufacturer, with extremely stable costs and revenues, but even then you can just peg it to their quartly profit and the effect ought to be similar enough.
I am suspicious that executives try too hard to match prior dividend payments (hence the preference for annual numbers), as they rightly judge any drop in dividend payments to hurt the share price. That's bad for their wallets (since some of their compensation is in the form of stock) and bad for job security. So, there's a natural inclination to keep the gravy train running longer than it should.Neither approach is "wrong" per se, but using annual numbers is strongly favored by both businesses and investors. Even businesses that earn 90 percent of their profits in a given quarter tend to pay the same dividend every quarter (based on annual results/expectations).
I am no expert in financing. Thanks for the detailed and thorough reply as usual. I do not agree that Intel is making this decision in the best interest of its investors, the public, or on behalf of the government. We are collectively giving them a lot of money and, in my opinion, they are being reckless with spending and expansion. What good is safeguarding US chip manufacturing if they over extend their position and get burned in the US or elsewhere. The government giving any money to any industry is by definition corporate welfare regardless if they get something out of it later. It can be called whatever by whoever, money given by the government is welfare by another name when its convenient. Reducing their dividend payout, in my opinion, was not obvious given their historical precedent of not doing so regardless of their immediate financial need for more money for whatever the reason. At the end of the day, it is still a smack in the face for investors.How long they've had it is meaningless. It happened to work out for them, because they enjoyed continued success in a rapidly growing market. It's when "the chips are down", so to speak, that bad ideas & policies are truly tested. Haven't you ever heard the term "creative destruction"?
It came too late. They started having problems with their manufacturing progress, all the way back in the transition to 14 nm, which is why the Broadwell desktop SKUs got cancelled. That's when they should've sat up and taken notice that they were under-investing in their manufacturing. The trends have been clear for a long time that each new node is becoming more and more expensive to develop. Their cowardly management and unsupportive board just wanted to keep their heads buried in the sand and keep milking the cash cow a little bit longer, even if doing so was bad for its health.
Now, I don't want to focus too much on dividends, here . Their stock buybacks were also an issue, although I assume they probably justified to themselves that fewer shares would mean lower dividend payments and therefore a "good investment", right?
It doesn't arrive all at once. It's spread over multiple years, so yeah it's not enough. Intel is still bearing the bulk of the costs, which would've been fine if its revenues had continued as they expected.
Most executive compensation is via stock. So, the dividend cut is a little more fair in that it hits them also (both directly and indirectly, if the stock price drops because of it).
Of course, I'm sure the stock buybacks were partially motivated by a desire to counter the dilution of shares via employee stock options. Which, as we know, largely tend to go to the executives.
Don't act so aggrieved. Investors are always (or should be) the first in line to suffer, when a company underperforms. It's the job of investors to account for the risks, when deciding which stocks to buy, hold, and sell.
Also, I don't really follow your logic about the CHIPS act. Its purpose was to supplement Intel's own spending, so that the amount of US-based fab capacity can increase. It was not provided as a form of corporate welfare to protect Intel's investors from its recent under-performance.
It's called an investment in future fab capacity, because they believe they can make that money back + profits. If they thought otherwise, they wouldn't be doing it.
The average American's investments are hurting from inflation and a post-pandemic tech hangover, more than anything. Intel is just a small part of that.
If people are investing for the long term, Intel will probably continue to be sound investment. If you just wanted dividend payments, well... you should've seen the writing on the wall when they first started posted big losses. Good investing takes effort. "The market" knew all was not well, hence the under-performance of their stock price.