News Intel Cuts Dividend to Spend More on Fabs

Didn't they just get guaranteed 20+ billion dollars from taxpayers through the CHIPS act?
That was meant to fund investments in fab capacity - not a windfall for their investors!

Is there any compensation to stock holders for reduced dividends? No, of course not.
Their stockholders should be glad they're still getting any dividend, at all! IMO, dividends should be tied to profits. When you extract resources from a company that's losing money, that's a bet against its future, which is not what investing is supposed to be for.

We need to bring sanity to the dividend culture, on Wall St. We love to blame foreign governments for destroying our industries, but we fail to consider the role of their own investors.
 
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Market cap doesn’t mean that much don’t make more out of it than it is.

look at how much Tesla lost in market capitalization, and it doesn’t mean anything because their profits are skyrocketing to this day and beyond

they made more money than everybody per vehicle they make the most and they’re stealing tons of BMW and Mercedes buyers. So don’t place too much value on market capitalization.

Wall Street investors are insane and their opinion doesn’t mean anything to me. They will be making plenty of money when everything is spun up
 
That was meant to fund investments in fab capacity - not a windfall for their investors!


Their stockholders should be glad they're still getting any dividend, at all! IMO, dividends should be tied to profits. When you extract resources from a company that's losing money, that's a bet against its future, which is not what investing is supposed to be for.

We need to bring sanity to the dividend culture, on Wall St. We love to blame foreign governments for destroying our industries, but we fail to consider the role of our own investors.

Dividends are tied to profits. In this case, it's past profits that the company has not yet paid out (retained earnings).
 
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Over the short term the value of a stock doesn't mean much about how well the company is being run.

The stock price on a perfectly run company can be too high and stock in a company in shambles can be a value purchase.

Well reasoned dividend cut is probably a sign of management confidence. Self-funding the investments they think are needed rather than asking for more outside capital or borrowing.
 
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Didn't they just get guaranteed 20+ billion dollars from taxpayers through the CHIPS act? Is there any compensation to stock holders for reduced dividends? No, of course not.

Yes, They own the value produced and represented in the company so any reduction in dividend will reflect in increased stock price and result in stock appreciation. In short, They will own part of a more valuable company.

For the stock holders getting paid in stock appreciation s rather than dividends is often advantagous from a tax perspective.
 
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If the game was, who can lose $11 billion in market cap the quickest.

Intel would be killing it!

February 15rd: $118B
February 21nd: $107B
Eh, the Nasdaq Composite dropped 4.8% in the same time period, so about half of that was just the overall trend.

Weirdly, Intel's stock price didn't suffer a big drop, like I'd have expected, on such news. It did drop, while the Nasdaq Composite closed flat, but Intel's drop seemed to be merely continuing its recent trend.

$11 billion over a week by a company the size of Intel isn't even newsworthy.
It's not the absolute amount that matters as much as the %. In this case, we're talking 9.3% which is non-trivial. How bad it is depends a lot on whether and by how much it was overvalued to begin with. I'd also look at how far off its peak it is, because that could tell you how far underwater some might be.
 
Dividends are tied to profits. In this case, it's past profits that the company has not yet paid out (retained earnings).
I'm sure you know what I mean. This idea that they're going to pay out a fixed amount, no matter how well or poorly the company is doing, is just insane. I can see that kind of logic for a true commodities company, like maybe a toilet paper manufacturer, with extremely stable costs and revenues, but even then you can just peg it to their quartly profit and the effect ought to be similar enough.
 
I'm sure you know what I mean. This idea that they're going to pay out a fixed amount, no matter how well or poorly the company is doing, is just insane. I can see that kind of logic for a true commodities company, like maybe a toilet paper manufacturer, with extremely stable costs and revenues, but even then you can just peg it to their quartly profit and the effect ought to be similar enough.
They had the same dividend strategy since the early 90s. So they were insane for three decades and only now decided, "You know what? The fever dream is over, time to makes some reasonable decisions." They say specifically that they are cutting dividends to focus on new manufacturing capacity. I quote from the article, "[Intel] reset its dividend policy to reduce quarterly dividend payments in a bid to maintain spending on new manufacturing capacity that is set to be deployed in the coming years..." So as I said initially, they are set to get 20 billion dollars from taxpayers for their effort to increase manufacturing capacity and yet reduce their dividend yield by 66% because apparently 20 billion dollars was not enough. Lets wait and see how much of these billions of dollars from the government and the billions they will save in dividend payouts end up in the executive suites hands.
 
They had the same dividend strategy since the early 90s. So they were insane for three decades and only now decided, "You know what? The fever dream is over, time to makes some reasonable decisions." They say specifically that they are cutting dividends to focus on new manufacturing capacity. I quote from the article, "[Intel] reset its dividend policy to reduce quarterly dividend payments in a bid to maintain spending on new manufacturing capacity that is set to be deployed in the coming years..." So as I said initially, they are set to get 20 billion dollars from taxpayers for their effort to increase manufacturing capacity and yet reduce their dividend yield by 66% because apparently 20 billion dollars was not enough. Lets wait and see how much of these billions of dollars from the government and the billions they will save in dividend payouts end up in the executive suites hands.
They weren't building up a new fab division for 3 decades...
Also the 20bil is a part of an up to 100bil investment, it's a lot but it's by far not a huge part of the whole investmetn.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/intel-plans-20-billion-chip-manufacturing-site-in-ohio.html
They will spend another 80 bil in europe.
https://sciencebusiness.net/news/eu-hails-eu80-billion-intel-investment-first-success-chips-act
 
They weren't building up a new fab division for 3 decades...
Also the 20bil is a part of an up to 100bil investment, it's a lot but it's by far not a huge part of the whole investmetn.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/intel-plans-20-billion-chip-manufacturing-site-in-ohio.html
They will spend another 80 bil in europe.
https://sciencebusiness.net/news/eu-hails-eu80-billion-intel-investment-first-success-chips-act
I was specifically concerned with the American's that invested into the stock for dividends that also paid for, at least in part, the CHIPS act only to be slapped in the face.
 
I don't see how this can be considered positive for the average American with 100+ intel stock.
Stockholders have been informed well beforehand that heavy investment into FABs is going to happen, anybody with two brain-cells to rub together knows that big investments means potential for leaner times until it's done.
Anybody that was afraid of lower dividends or the stock dropping had plenty of time to sell their stocks way before it happened.
Anybody that kept their stock after the announcement is in it for the long haul, they bet on intel following through on their plans making their stock much more valuable.
 
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They had the same dividend strategy since the early 90s. So they were insane for three decades and only now decided, "You know what? The fever dream is over, time to makes some reasonable decisions."
How long they've had it is meaningless. It happened to work out for them, because they enjoyed continued success in a rapidly growing market. It's when "the chips are down", so to speak, that bad ideas & policies are truly tested. Haven't you ever heard the term "creative destruction"?

They say specifically that they are cutting dividends to focus on new manufacturing capacity.
It came too late. They started having problems with their manufacturing progress, all the way back in the transition to 14 nm, which is why the Broadwell desktop SKUs got cancelled. That's when they should've sat up and taken notice that they were under-investing in their manufacturing. The trends have been clear for a long time that each new node is becoming more and more expensive to develop. Their cowardly management and unsupportive board just wanted to keep their heads buried in the sand and keep milking the cash cow a little bit longer, even if doing so was bad for its health.

Now, I don't want to focus too much on dividends, here . Their stock buybacks were also an issue, although I assume they probably justified to themselves that fewer shares would mean lower dividend payments and therefore a "good investment", right?

apparently 20 billion dollars was not enough.
It doesn't arrive all at once. It's spread over multiple years, so yeah it's not enough. Intel is still bearing the bulk of the costs, which would've been fine if its revenues had continued as they expected.

Lets wait and see how much of these billions of dollars from the government and the billions they will save in dividend payouts end up in the executive suites hands.
Most executive compensation is via stock. So, the dividend cut is a little more fair in that it hits them also (both directly and indirectly, if the stock price drops because of it).

Of course, I'm sure the stock buybacks were partially motivated by a desire to counter the dilution of shares via employee stock options. Which, as we know, largely tend to go to the executives.

I was specifically concerned with the American's that invested into the stock for dividends that also paid for, at least in part, the CHIPS act only to be slapped in the face.
Don't act so aggrieved. Investors are always (or should be) the first in line to suffer, when a company underperforms. It's the job of investors to account for the risks, when deciding which stocks to buy, hold, and sell.

Also, I don't really follow your logic about the CHIPS act. Its purpose was to supplement Intel's own spending, so that the amount of US-based fab capacity can increase. It was not provided as a form of corporate welfare to protect Intel's investors from its recent under-performance.

Intel is pillaging its dividend payout, and is planning on spending 20+ billion in tax payer dollars. I don't see how this can be considered positive for the average American with 100+ intel stock. Intel is down 16% in one month and 25% in 6 months.
It's called an investment in future fab capacity, because they believe they can make that money back + profits. If they thought otherwise, they wouldn't be doing it.

The average American's investments are hurting from inflation and a post-pandemic tech hangover, more than anything. Intel is just a small part of that.

If people are investing for the long term, Intel will probably continue to be sound investment. If you just wanted dividend payments, well... you should've seen the writing on the wall when they first started posted big losses. Good investing takes effort. "The market" knew all was not well, hence the under-performance of their stock price.
 
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I'm sure you know what I mean. This idea that they're going to pay out a fixed amount, no matter how well or poorly the company is doing, is just insane. I can see that kind of logic for a true commodities company, like maybe a toilet paper manufacturer, with extremely stable costs and revenues, but even then you can just peg it to their quartly profit and the effect ought to be similar enough.

I think it's fair to say that discussing Intel financials (or AMD or Nvidia for that matter...but mostly INTEL) is a minefield, even (especially?) on tech sites like TH. My sole point was that no, Intel and other companies generally cannot issue dividends in excess of profits, but profits are often retained over time (for a variety of reasons) and can be paid out in future periods.

Despite Intel's poor 4Q2022 numbers (losing almost $700 million), Intel still posted an $8 billion profit in 2022 (down from about $20 billion/year from 2018-2021). So a dividend of some amount might make sense. Your post suggests that no dividend amount makes sense. However, I would agree that Intel likely kept the dividend as a result of pressure.

As to dividend adjustments over time, it's less common to see dividends based primarily on quarterly numbers. Dividends are usually based on annual numbers. Neither approach is "wrong" per se, but using annual numbers is strongly favored by both businesses and investors. Even businesses that earn 90 percent of their profits in a given quarter tend to pay the same dividend every quarter (based on annual results/expectations).
 
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Thanks for the info.

Neither approach is "wrong" per se, but using annual numbers is strongly favored by both businesses and investors. Even businesses that earn 90 percent of their profits in a given quarter tend to pay the same dividend every quarter (based on annual results/expectations).
I am suspicious that executives try too hard to match prior dividend payments (hence the preference for annual numbers), as they rightly judge any drop in dividend payments to hurt the share price. That's bad for their wallets (since some of their compensation is in the form of stock) and bad for job security. So, there's a natural inclination to keep the gravy train running longer than it should.

I think tying dividends to quarterly profits would build in some expectation, on the part of investors, that the dividend payments are going to jump around a lot. That might lower the pressure to sustain dividends at higher rates than is healthy for the company.
 
How long they've had it is meaningless. It happened to work out for them, because they enjoyed continued success in a rapidly growing market. It's when "the chips are down", so to speak, that bad ideas & policies are truly tested. Haven't you ever heard the term "creative destruction"?


It came too late. They started having problems with their manufacturing progress, all the way back in the transition to 14 nm, which is why the Broadwell desktop SKUs got cancelled. That's when they should've sat up and taken notice that they were under-investing in their manufacturing. The trends have been clear for a long time that each new node is becoming more and more expensive to develop. Their cowardly management and unsupportive board just wanted to keep their heads buried in the sand and keep milking the cash cow a little bit longer, even if doing so was bad for its health.

Now, I don't want to focus too much on dividends, here . Their stock buybacks were also an issue, although I assume they probably justified to themselves that fewer shares would mean lower dividend payments and therefore a "good investment", right?


It doesn't arrive all at once. It's spread over multiple years, so yeah it's not enough. Intel is still bearing the bulk of the costs, which would've been fine if its revenues had continued as they expected.


Most executive compensation is via stock. So, the dividend cut is a little more fair in that it hits them also (both directly and indirectly, if the stock price drops because of it).

Of course, I'm sure the stock buybacks were partially motivated by a desire to counter the dilution of shares via employee stock options. Which, as we know, largely tend to go to the executives.


Don't act so aggrieved. Investors are always (or should be) the first in line to suffer, when a company underperforms. It's the job of investors to account for the risks, when deciding which stocks to buy, hold, and sell.

Also, I don't really follow your logic about the CHIPS act. Its purpose was to supplement Intel's own spending, so that the amount of US-based fab capacity can increase. It was not provided as a form of corporate welfare to protect Intel's investors from its recent under-performance.


It's called an investment in future fab capacity, because they believe they can make that money back + profits. If they thought otherwise, they wouldn't be doing it.

The average American's investments are hurting from inflation and a post-pandemic tech hangover, more than anything. Intel is just a small part of that.

If people are investing for the long term, Intel will probably continue to be sound investment. If you just wanted dividend payments, well... you should've seen the writing on the wall when they first started posted big losses. Good investing takes effort. "The market" knew all was not well, hence the under-performance of their stock price.
I am no expert in financing. Thanks for the detailed and thorough reply as usual. I do not agree that Intel is making this decision in the best interest of its investors, the public, or on behalf of the government. We are collectively giving them a lot of money and, in my opinion, they are being reckless with spending and expansion. What good is safeguarding US chip manufacturing if they over extend their position and get burned in the US or elsewhere. The government giving any money to any industry is by definition corporate welfare regardless if they get something out of it later. It can be called whatever by whoever, money given by the government is welfare by another name when its convenient. Reducing their dividend payout, in my opinion, was not obvious given their historical precedent of not doing so regardless of their immediate financial need for more money for whatever the reason. At the end of the day, it is still a smack in the face for investors.
 
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