News Intel Discontinues Arc A770 Limited Edition GPU

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The risk in the meantime I are drivers. They failed epically with them at launch and took forever to fix them.
Who's to say they will provide driver updates on a regular basis optimizing for the latest games like Nvidia (not a fanboy, just the card I have).

Intel's future IGPs are all based on Xe. Even if Intel completely discontinued Alchemist, back-burner support would likely continue for the next 5+ years as Intel continues to improve them for the IGP side.

 

[SSGBryan]

The risk in the meantime I are drivers. They failed epically with them at launch and took forever to fix them.
Who's to say they will provide driver updates on a regular basis optimizing for the latest games like Nvidia (not a fanboy, just the card I have).

Personally I wouldn't buy one for reasons here and previous posts. Little effort has been put in. And to top it off, if the partners don't see sales, they will just abandon Intel. While it may be a good fit/value card for some now, long term the risk is drivers.

I'm just not convinced enough effort was put into them to begin with and won't also moving forward.

Their driver team seems to be pretty focused (I am sure they would like to keep their jobs). They aren't going to just stop working. This is a forward facing card, that quite frankly isn't as concerned with running 5 - 10 year old games as much as they are newer games.

As an example, I have seen how an a770 runs Diablo 4: 1440p: 100+ fps, before XeSS. There are fixes for DX9-11 games, the biggest one being DXVK.

Battlemage is a ways out, and current driver development will help with that, even if Battlemage only has 1 card, and is mostly laptop sales. They also have a professional line of Alchemist cards, and those will be supported for years.

Buying an Intel card today doesn't mean you have to buy every single generation Intel makes from this point forward. You buy when you feel you need a new gpu, and you survey the field to see what is available, compared to what you need.

Drivers are a typical Raja Kaduri production - what we are seeing with Arc is the exact same thing we saw with Vega, the card stumbled out the gate with driver issues, but got there over time.

A lot of effort is being put into them, but they did make some sub-optimal decisions in the beginning that bit them in their 4th point of contact. The major one was using their iGPU graphics driver as their starting point, instead of a clean sheet design.

At the end of the day, if you aren't comfortable with one, don't buy one.

In my case, it does what I need (better performance than my last video card, AV1 encoding, and blender rendering) and the price was right.

If all you care about is old (DX9-11) games, go with an RX 6700 - but understand that driver development for that is going to be less, since it is a last generation card, and you will have 25% less memory.

If you want or need AV1 encoding or better rendering performance in blender, a770 has you covered.

 

[bit_user]

Battlemage is a ways out,

2024-Q3, most likely.

current driver development will help with that,

In the nearer term, Meteor Lake is set to have an Alchemist-derived tGPU. So, that's an immediate incentive for their team to stay focused on Alchemist-oriented optimizations.

They also have a professional line of Alchemist cards, and those will be supported for years.

5 years, I believe. Or, maybe that's just Arctic Sound.

At the end of the day, if you aren't comfortable with one, don't buy one.

In my case, it does what I need (better performance than my last video card, AV1 encoding, and blender rendering) and the price was right.

Deep learning performance isn't half bad, either. It's also more competitive at ray-tracing than its raster performance would suggest.

 

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Their driver team seems to be pretty focused (I am sure they would like to keep their jobs). They aren't going to just stop working. This is a forward facing card, that quite frankly isn't as concerned with running 5 - 10 year old games as much as they are newer games.

As an example, I have seen how an a770 runs Diablo 4: 1440p: 100+ fps, before XeSS. There are fixes for DX9-11 games, the biggest one being DXVK.

Funny thing is that in my brief time owning an A750, I've seen at least one game (Reddout) that ran better on DX11 than DX12 on it. DX12 was a stuttering mess that ran far worse than my GTX1050, DX11 ran at least as good as far as I could tell.

 

[Unolocogringo]

We all have or use case scenario and experiences.
For me the 740 was lackluster . Then support ended shortly after cancellation.
I looked forward to Larrabee for folding , but that never arrived.
2 of my 3 computers do nothing but Folding.
The third about 90% folding and an occasional game and web browsing in the morning with coffee and desert in the evening.
So for my use case Nvidia/Cuda is the logical choice.
I also have to pay for power and cooling in the summer so watts burned for work completed is the deciding factor.
Each tool has a different use.
If my use case was a cheap low/mid power gaming card AMD and Intel cards are attractive price/performance wise.

 

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Their driver team seems to be pretty focused (I am sure they would like to keep their jobs). They aren't going to just stop working. This is a forward facing card, that quite frankly isn't as concerned with running 5 - 10 year old games as much as they are newer games.

As an example, I have seen how an a770 runs Diablo 4: 1440p: 100+ fps, before XeSS. There are fixes for DX9-11 games, the biggest one being DXVK.

Battlemage is a ways out, and current driver development will help with that, even if Battlemage only has 1 card, and is mostly laptop sales. They also have a professional line of Alchemist cards, and those will be supported for years.

Buying an Intel card today doesn't mean you have to buy every single generation Intel makes from this point forward. You buy when you feel you need a new gpu, and you survey the field to see what is available, compared to what you need.

Drivers are a typical Raja Kaduri production - what we are seeing with Arc is the exact same thing we saw with Vega, the card stumbled out the gate with driver issues, but got there over time.

A lot of effort is being put into them, but they did make some sub-optimal decisions in the beginning that bit them in their 4th point of contact. The major one was using their iGPU graphics driver as their starting point, instead of a clean sheet design.

At the end of the day, if you aren't comfortable with one, don't buy one.

In my case, it does what I need (better performance than my last video card, AV1 encoding, and blender rendering) and the price was right.

If all you care about is old (DX9-11) games, go with an RX 6700 - but understand that driver development for that is going to be less, since it is a last generation card, and you will have 25% less memory.

If you want or need AV1 encoding or better rendering performance in blender, a770 has you covered.

Sure it's nof meant for the latest games, more older or less demanding but IIRC, they claimed not too long ago that the new drivers substantially boosted performance.

That means out of the box it had bad drivers (which we knew). Who knows how much more performance the card really has. If they missed that much and gained it in one update, I have no doubt these cards aren't running at their full potential.

So my stance is, I know they have their place and fit certain needs, the idea behind them is good, esleciay price but Intel needs to do more. They are late to the game and most (non-tech) consumers won't know anything about the card

 

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Who knows how much more performance the card really has. If they missed that much and gained it in one update, I have no doubt these cards aren't running at their full potential.

We know based on specs that it should at least beat the RTX3060 and we know from benchmarks that it sometimes actually does give even the 3060Ti a run for its money. Except we also know from benchmarks that the A770 also often struggles to keep up with the much slower RTX3050.

That is how much performance is left on the table. Varies massively on a case-by-case basis, ranging from delivering less than half of expectations to exceeding them.

Drivers are improving, though they still aren't anywhere near uniformly up to par.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

We know based on specs that it should at least beat the RTX3060 and we know from benchmarks that it sometimes actually does give even the 3060Ti a run for its money. Except we also know from benchmarks that the A770 also often struggles to keep up with the much slower RTX3050.

That is how much performance is left on the table. Varies massively on a case-by-case basis, ranging from delivering less than half of expectations to exceeding them.

Drivers are improving, though they still aren't anywhere near uniformly up to par.

So that provides another point on why these cards should really be avoid except by those with no other choice or enthusiasts.

The cards and/or drivers are half bakes. There should never be a massive improvement like the one we saw with the driver update I mentioned. It tells me these were rushed out and not ready and still aren't.

In all honesty, if the rumored prices are true, the 4060 will instantly antiquate the Intel cards.

 

[bit_user]

So that provides another point on why these cards should really be avoid except by those with no other choice or enthusiasts.

I wouldn't say "never". They have use cases, most of which just don't happen to be in traditional raster gaming.

It's a totally legit purchase decision, as long as one is going in with eyes open and basing their decision on benchmarks and reviews of what they want to use it for. In that sense, it's not different from most other tech products.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

I wouldn't say "never". They have use cases, most of which just don't happen to be in traditional raster gaming.

It's a totally legit purchase decision, as long as one is going in with eyes open and basing their decision on benchmarks and reviews of what they want to use it for. In that sense, it's not different from most other tech products.

Thats a in an edge use case scenario. If you walk into a Microcenter (or uchh Best Buy) as a clueless shopler, I'd bet you 98% of staff will recommend an Nvidia or AMD GPU. So that's what I'm basing my statement of having to know that you want it.

Im not anti-Intel, I love my Intel processor but they haven't given me a reason to love the idea of their GPUs.

 

[SSGBryan]

In all honesty, if the rumored prices are true, the 4060 will instantly antiquate the Intel cards.

Well, this aged like milk.

An a750 is trading blows with the 4060.

 

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Well, this aged like milk.

An a750 is trading blows with the 4060.

Not sure I'd call the RTX4060 being 30-40% faster except for the few titles where the A750 performs in line with expectations trading blows. Even the 16GB A770 is still 15-25% behind most of the time.

 

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Well, this aged like milk.

An a750 is trading blows with the 4060.

And this post you just embarrassed yourself with. The 4060 will be the lowest offering from Nvidia (we probably won't see a 4050) and the 4060 beats the 750 in 98% of situations...

Ouch.