Intel document confirms Prescott dissipates 103 W

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Power output doesn't necessarily equal heat output. Tbirds had a bad core arrangement, had an exposed core, no dissipation area really.
Palominos made it much better, and Tbreds run very cool, yet they are now at 70W and higher.

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Is 103W power output? What's heat output then?

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Actually wouldn't power output exactly equal heat dissipation?

Think about it. You have a device that consumes x amount of power. The device does no mechanical work. All the energy consumed must be converted to heat.

The temps of Tbreds may be lower but if they consume more power then they also dissipate more heat.

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Logically yes, but Tbirds were extremely hot, at 70W, yet Bartons at the same power consumption would generally run cooler.

I have little chemistry knowledge so I can't fend for my knowledge, on this one.

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Only the new ones I believe.
Also this further shows you can counter the power output problems. P4's have excellent and efficient heatsinks, so I would not worry too much about Prescott's temps yet.

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I still want to know how much thermal heat the prescott lets out.

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Logically yes, but Tbirds were extremely hot, at 70W, yet Bartons at the same power consumption would generally run cooler
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I don't know about that. According to <A HREF="http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm" target="_new">this chart</A> a Barton XP3200+ normally would dissipate about 60 watts. The Thunderbird that is closest to this level would be the 1.3 at 61 watts.

I dont think Barton XP3200+ would run cooler than a Tbird 1.3 (not that I have an XP3200+ to test).

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I agree. I would like to see this so called "official" document that the Inquirer has. Oh wait, I forgot, we probably can't see it since the Inquirer is under an NDA :wink: .

Everytime the Inq mentions something "official", they never have links to back it up. I have stopped paying attention to their articles.



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Wow ... it looks like I am not the only person who thinks you sometimes post hypocritical or contradictory material. Your posts just ooze uncertainty, I mean, one day you love AMD, next day you don't, then you do again...

I mean, take the "AMD shares" post for example. You change your mind so quickly it's unbelievable. And you like to jmup to so many conclusions without stopping to think. The reason the shares went up is due to the snowball effect of traders buying stock after hearing of some random tech analyst buying AMD stock. That's all there is to it. Yet you jumped to all sorts of conclusions.

On the other hand...

Power output doesn't necessarily equal heat output. Tbirds had a bad core arrangement, had an exposed core, no dissipation area really.
Palominos made it much better, and Tbreds run very cool, yet they are now at 70W and higher.
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This is one of the smartest things I've ever seen you post. Amazing that you actually posting something that I did several times now. In fact, back when you deemed my the "preacher" I used to say that pwoer output and heat output are two different things. For example, current Northwoods output more heat than current Bartons, BUT, they run at about the same temperature, becuase of the great heat management of the P4.

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Look. Let me make this perfectly clear.

Heat. It has to go somewhere.

Is there a difference between power output and heat displacement and what is it for the prescott?

Heat Management? What does that mean? Just because a HSF is good at getting the heat away from the core does not mean that the heat just dissapeared after that.

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one day you love AMD, next day you don't,
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I.......<i>love</i>...AMD?

Can you ever speak to a mirror sometimes?

You change your mind so quickly it's unbelievable
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You did not even read right if that's how you see it.
I said I slowly changed my mind given that now there is more evidence that AMD is responding and improving.
The reason the shares went up is due to the snowball effect of traders buying stock after hearing of some random tech analyst buying AMD stock
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Isn't that what I also thought?
Yet you jumped to all sorts of conclusions
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WHICH? I agreed to the fact that the good news spurs stock purchasing, where the heck did you pick up on me saying otherwise?

I just can't understand how people read posts lately, seriously. And worse is you're the one to talk, you've so little experience in this forum as is! You jump in and when you see something, you use it without any other evidence!
Mind you I won't get troubled up over you, you're just trying to judge, judge and judge.

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BTW Dark, how DO you feel about nVidia lately, if I may ask?

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What exactly do you mean, mr. RCJ?
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double negative.. like sayin i cant not do that.. if you think about cant and not are both negative terms... by using them both together in a sentence the sentence then becomes positive ie "i cant not.." becomes "i will.."
its like maths 2 negatives become a positive. pedantic i know but i was in a funny mood yesterday and its bad grammer. sorry for the late reply tho been busy... :evil:
 
I was beginning to think that this is just like old times....all the good ole' flame wars!

Ahhhh....so good to see things returning to "NORMAL"!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!

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Bah, Flamewars of the deep were filled with insults and absolute trash.

I wouldn't call this a flamewar at all.

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Your right this is not a flame war. It is more like trash talking, 2v1 I might add. Oh well, we all can't get along all the time.

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this is the 1st time i saw you here in graphics forums.

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My computer is <b>sooo fast</b>,
It finished <b>SETI</b> in <b>10 seconds.</b>
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what's up with the flame wars, i'm barely gone for two days!

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My computer is <b>sooo fast</b>,
It finished <b>SETI</b> in <b>10 seconds.</b>
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Ahh the OTHER, plenty of fun...

The real flame war will happen soon, and a hint to which one?
The target is in the kind of war we're doing. :wink:

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