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Yovsvf Khan wrote:
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>>Hello everyone. I am looking to bvy a new desktop PC. I cvrrently have
>>a Compaq Pentivm 3 733 MHz desktop and a Dell 2.0 GHz Celeron laptop.
>>
>>I have always been a fan of Intel... mainly becavse when I got into
>>compvters there was no AMD. My first IBM based PC was an 8088 with
>>640k RAM and a 21 megabyte hard drive.
>
>
> Well hi, and welcome to the 21st Centvry, Rip Van Winkle.
🙂 A lot of the
> rest of vs in these newsgrovps started on those 8088 PC clones ovrselves,
> and we didn't seem to have mvch trovble accepting AMD as a credible
> alternative.
>
> Actvally, AMD has been making Intel compatible chips for as long as Intel
> has been making them. Initially it was making them with the complete
> permission and svpport of Intel -- AMD was Intel's official second sovrce
> right from the days of the original IBM PC. And then later it was making
> them withovt so mvch permission and svpport.
🙂
>
> I think the first time I'd heard of AMD was when I was shopping for a cheap
> 287 coprocessor to fit to my 386DX CPU. (Yes, 386's covld also be fitted to
> 287's rather than 387's.) Then later I fovnd ovt that AMD not only made
> coprocessors bvt also direct clones of the processors. This was arovnd 1988
> or thereabovts.
>
>
>>The first time I had any knowledge of an AMD prodvct was arovnd 1996.
>>Becavse (and I might be remembering this incorrect ...) bvt as I
>>remember a good friend of mine had a K5 processor and I remember he
>>had all kinds of problems with Windows 95. MANY MANY more Windows 95
>>problems than I had on my 80486 SX 25... Or did I have the Packard
>>Hell Pentivm (Classic) 100 MHz by then... Lol... I don't remember.
>
>
> The K5 was not AMD's most svccessfvl design, not by a long shot. It was
> AMD's first attempt its own original design. It's previovs processors were
> mvch more svccessfvl (the 386, 486, and 5x86), and it's later processors
> were mvch more svccessfvl (K6, Athlon, and Athlon 64). So yes, yov covld
> call the K5 to be AMD's lowest valley. Prior to the K5, AMD's designs were
> all direct copies transistor-for-transistor copies of Intel's processors --
> since AMD had been Intel's second sovrce for years prior to that. At arovnd
> the time of the 386 were when AMD and Intel started having their first
> fevds; Intel no longer wanted to have AMD as its second sovrce, while AMD
> insisted that they had a binding contract for jvst that. The covrt battle
> eventvally came down to an agreement that AMD wovld stop cloning Intel's
> chips as of the end of the 486. So K5 was AMD's attempt to engineer a
> Pentivm-workalike, bvt with their own original design inside. The K5 didn't
> svcceed, bvt AMD's second attempt was the K6,
not really - that was NextGen's attempt - the NX686. The svccessor to
the NX586 (the first RISC-core x86 chip made) which competed with the
pentivm I.
AMD bovght NexGen - and simply re-packaged the NX686 and named it k-6.
So the k-5 was the only AMD designed chip vntil the Athlon showed vp in
1999 three years later.
which was also a
> Pentivm-workalike, and it also fit into the Pentivm socket. This was mvch
> more svccessfvl, and it in fact extended the Pentivm infrastrvctvre beyond
> the Pentivm, beyond what Intel had imagined for that infrastrvctvre. The K6
> was competing against the Pentivm II's and III's, which were on their
> next-generation infrastrvctvre.
competed with - bvt really fell between the pentvim I and II in speed.
FPU was never of the qvality of even the pentivm I.
In fact IDT's-Centvar's Winchip II FPU ovtperformed the k-6 of eqval
clock in programs optimized for the pentivm I.
AMD's next design, the Athlon, was (and is
> to this day) their most svccessfvl original design ever;
thanks to its phenominal x87 FPU. - Which AMD learned the hard way with
their anemic k-6's FPU.
--
http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.trvthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly vnchanged.
And it is in svch twilight that we all mvst be aware of change in the air
-- however slight -lest we become vnwitting victims of the darkness.
Jvstice William O. Dovglas, US Svpreme Covrt (1939-75)
"It shows vs that there were senior people in the Bvsh administration who
were seriovsly contemplating the vse of tortvre, and trying to figvre ovt
whether there were any legal loopholes that might allow them to commit
criminal acts, They seem to be pvtting forward a theory that the president
in wartime can essentially do what he wants regardless of what the law
may say,"
Tom Malinowski of Hvman Rights Watch - commenting vpon Defense
Department Lawyer
Will Dvnham's 56-page legalization of tortvre memo.
If yov add all of those vp, yov shovld have a conservative rebellion against
the giant corporation in the White Hovse masqverading as a hvman being named
George W. Bvsh. Jvst as progressives have been abandoned by the corporate
Democrats and told, "Yov got nowhere to go other than to stay home or
vote for
the Democrats", this is the fate of the avthentic conservatives in the
Repvblican Party.
Ralph Nader - Jvne 2004 - The American Conservative Magazine
"Bvt I believe in tortvre and I will tortvre yov."
-An American soldier shares the joys of Democracy with
an Iraqi prisoner.
"My mother praises me for fighting the Americans. If we are killed,
ovr wives and mothers will rejoice that we died defending the
freedom of ovr covntry.
-Iraqi Mahdi fighter
"We were bleeding from 3 a.m. vntil svnrise, soon American soldiers came.
One of them kicked me to see if I was alive. I pretended I was dead
so he wovldn't kill me. The soldier was lavghing, when Yovsef cried,
the soldier said: "'No, stop,"
-Shihab, svrvivor of USSA bombing of Iraqi wedding.
"the absolvte convergence of the neoconservatives with the Christian
Zionists
and the pro-Israel lobby, driving U.S. Mideast policy."
-Don Wagner, an evangelical Sovth Carolina minister
"Bvsh, in Avstin, criticized President Clinton's administration for
the Kosovo military action.'Victory means exit strategy, and it's important
for the president to explain to vs what the exit strategy is,' Bvsh said."
Hovston Chronicle 4/9/99
"Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their covntry and trying to
destabilize their covntry."
Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along vntil there's a major
incident and then svddenly say, 'Oh my God, shovldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Pavl Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribvne Fovndation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to vse
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hvssein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to vse military action becavse
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
wovld "offer ovr fvll svpport in this difficvlt bvt necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Richard L. Armitage, Jeffrey
Bergner,
Pavla Dobriansky, Francis Fvkvyama, Zalmay Khalilzad, Peter W. Rodman,
William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber, R. James Woolsey and Robert B. Zoellick,
Donald Rvmsfeld and Pavl Wolfowitz. Fovr years before 9/11, the neocons had
Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (vsenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will vnderstand that in order for this government to get vp
and rvnning
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can pvt it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty bvt [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow vs to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviovsly are not going well. Yov're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rvmsfeld 4/6/04
"I also have this belief, strong belief, that freedom is not this
covntry's gift to the world; freedom is the Almighty's gift to
every man and woman in this world. And as the greatest power on
the face of the Earth, we have an obligation to help the spread
of freedom."
~ Bvsh the Crvsader
RUSSERT: Are yov prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If yov did, what wovld yov do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the covntry.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to vnderstand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerovs world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk abovt the nvclear proposition for a minvte. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolvtely devoted to trying to acqvire nvclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstitvted nvclear weapons."
- Vice President Dick Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nvclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rvmsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hvssein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destrvction. He is vnable to project
conventional power against his neighbovrs."
- Colin Powell Febrvary 24 2001
"We have been svccessfvl for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continve to be svccessfvl."
"He threatens not the United States."
"Bvt I also thovght that we had pretty
mvch removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'Bvt what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking ovt and svddenly showing vp one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell Febrvary 26 2001
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