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What if Intel is working on Skylake-E Processors? Would that be a possibility that the Haswell-E will be replaced as well? I have so many questions for Intel.
 
A part of me wants a skylake build, because of the lower power consumption, and improved IPC. I want to go mini-itx, and decent, Z77, mini-itx boards are practically impossible to find. Hopefully the skylake E3's will be out, by the time I am ready. I want i7 performance, for folding, but don't want to pay the high price.
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The E3 Xeons have already been launched, but I'm not sure about availability. It may not matter, because Intel locked them so that they won't work in Z or H chipset motherboards. You need to buy the Q chipset motherboards to use them.
 
I would agree that it's a pain for users looking to upgrade when the socket changes so often. On the other hand there are legitimate reasons changing motherboards to accommodate skylake. Performance raw data may not be what users had hoped for, it exists but it's not blowing people away with 30-40% improvements.

The platform however is making much further strides. When you change from ddr3 to ddr4, update from dmi 2.0 to dmi 3.0, add thunderbolt, move to a non integrated fivr etc these changes can't just be updated via bios upgrades. It requires physical connection changes and the only way to implement that is with new hardware. No code is going to transform older limited hardware.

Other minor differences if you consider boards before the obvious memory change from ddr3 to ddr4, say between 1155 and 1150 were additional pcie 3.0 slots, more sata 6gb/s headers, the addition of m.2 and sata express. For most people they may be minor or insignificant but each socket change and board change does come with physical advancements. There's no way other than using a pcie add on card or similar maybe to implement hardware/connection upgrades on a board with hardwired connections/ports. If the tech involves transfer speeds above what pci can handle then even an addon card is a bandaid since the bandwidth becomes a bottleneck.

We're not seeing a new board come out that is all new and completely different but part of that is tech itself. They can't implement changes that don't exist. It would have been great to see 1151 boards come out with huge obvious differences such as ddr3 to ddr4, pcie 3.0 to pcie 4.0, thunderbolt 3.0, usb 4.1 etc but most of those just don't exist yet. At best they can offer the latest ports/tech (like thunderbolt) and more of the latest interface types (multiple m.2/sata express, more usb 3.0/3.1, more sata 6gb/s) because that's all there is to work with.

Even with all these incremental slight improvements each socket generation it may not be all that lackluster. As far as I can remember upgrade articles giving suggestions to users about what's worth upgrading to have never been advocating people update every time something new comes out. Most have stuck with the standby of updating every other time something new is released and considered that as 'frequent'. If that's the case, sandy bridge owners would have skipped haswell and gone to skylake and there was a 5yr span between those. It's never made much sense even if motherboards were universally compatible to upgrade the cpu every time a new one hits the market where you're jumping from 2nd gen to 3rd gen to 4th gen.
 
I own the intel 6700K with an MSI motherboard and the GTX 980 TI with 16 Gb of DDR4. I would not recommend this architecture as long as you own a 4th generation INTEL CPU, i honestly do not see that much performance gain other than gaming and you won't even have full performance with windows 10, especially with their Microsoft Edge new browser, there is a bottleneck with the new architecture and the browser keeps crashing; i had to go back to Chrome.



 


The cheapest DDR3:
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-kvr16n11s8k28

The cheapest DDR4:
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/patriot-memory-px48g240c5k

DDR3 is $8 cheaper.

The cheapest LGA 1150 motherboard:
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-h81mp33

The cheapest LGA 1151 motherboard:
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gah110ma

The LGA 1150 board is $9 cheaper.

Deduct the $5 the Skylake CPU saves you, and you are paying a total of $12 more for a PC with more performance and features. So Haswell is technically cheaper, but you are really pinching pennies if that $12 if you want to save that cash instead of getting a faster and more modern system.
 
Still running my i7 980x (stock) while I wait for a 6 or 8 core version of Skylake (or whatever is next).

I was looking at a 5830 system, but they are rather spendy, and not just the CPU, all the other stuff around it. but a 6700k skylake setup was $700 less, but only 4 cores instead of 6.
 
haswell maybe on its way out production wise but it still has a long life ahead of it still in the consumer market where the avg person doesn't upgrade their pc's for 5 or 6 years now on avg. sadly broadwell is even a better cpu than haswell esp when it comes to igpu performance and battery life on the mobile side, but it's become the forgotten child in the intel cpu segment considering it was eclipsed quickly by skylake.
 
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If IPC went down, then how come the i7-6700K with its 4.2 GHz max turbo speed outperforms the i7-4790K (max turbo 4.4 GHz) in every single test without fail?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skylake-intel-core-i7-6700k-core-i5-6600k,4252-7.html

Performance didn't increase significantly in some tests, but without fail the i7-6700K scored higher in every benchmark. If the clock speed was higher, you could argue that IPC went down, but the only way for the i7-6700K to achieve higher performance in this case was that it has a higher IPC. but again.
 
they gotta stop changing the darn SOCKETS. really no big reason to change from 1156 to 1155, 1150, and now 1151.

dirty way to get the consumer to swap out motherboards..........

still on my 1155 i5 2500k. got it almost 4 years ago and it's still going very strong. i normally build new systems entirely every 2.5 years, but i don't see any major improvements on Intel chips for the past 4 years.

we need AMD to get their sh!t together and give intel some competition
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The best reasons for building a new system would require a new motherboard anyway. Things like PCIe 3.0, PCIe connected SSDs and USB 3.1 are more exciting than the slow but steady CPU progression.

This has always been true more or less. I've never seen any value in upgrading a system by changing the CPU alone, unless I was forced to get far less CPU than I wanted in the first place.
 
"The Haswell equivalent with the same clock speed, cache and a much higher TDP, the Core i5-4570, sells for $199.99, making the i5-6500 an obvious choice between the two."

Obvious choice my ... pillow. DDR4 ram and motherboard is still more expensive than DDR3 ram and Haswell compatible motherboard.
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But you're actually getting value for that expense, in terms of performance and density on the RAM, and new features such as USB 3.1 on the motherboard.
 


Did you even read the article? The K series chips are the exception, and they were talking US pricing.
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Yes I did read the article and the 'K' chips are NOT an exception. The examples given by Tom's are more the exception. Entry level i3 Haswell = £80 Skylake £95, Pentium Haswell = £42 Skylake £47... Like I said, across the board Skylake is actually like for like more expensive. Maybe you should check your own facts rather than relying on the article.
 
Wow. I got a Z97 motherboard with a i5-4590 processor in my build. But I won't give up switching to Skylake yet until I think my computer is slow & know it's time to upgrade. Is there anybody else out there using Haswell or Ivy Bridge, etc... & still think it's good for video editing & heavy stuff?
 
I think if you have a 4th gen there is no rush to go to Skylake. I've got a 3rd Gen Intel and I don't feel the need upgrade. I can play every game I wish to w/o issue. Now watch I'll go home and my computer will be on fire, lol. Hopefully by Q2 of 2016 the Skylake shortages will be solved and the prices will be dropping on better supply. And AMD's ZEN will be out and if they can compete with Skylake that will put more pressure for Intel to reduce prices as well. I know I'm a dreamer...
 


i have i7 4790k its time for me to upgrade my i7 4790k is to slow its super slow i cant even push over 230 fps right now

 


Can your eyes even register more then 60 fps? LOL!
 


 
This is all relative, in EU both the 4790k and the 6700k are at the same exact price of 400$ (equivalent) at most retailers. So basically here haswell WAS dead at day 1 skylake launch.
 
That's true, if pricing happens to be the same. In the u.s. even though ddr4 has quickly dropped in price the skylake motherboards and cpu's are still more expensive.

The 4790k is $299, 6700k is $399. A basic z series motherboard like asus z97a is $135 while the z170a counterpart is $154. It's different from when the devil's canyon cpu's came out and (the i5 at least) was the same price for the newer 4690k as the previous 4670k. Skylake opted for a pricier menu in the u.s. comparatively and on top of it there's no stock cooler option for the k series.

Most people were upgrading their coolers for overclocking anyway but some people weren't overclocking to begin with or just wanted the option. They could get a k series with a stock cooler on haswell and run it that way for the time being until they had the funds for a better aftermarket cooler, skylake they don't have a choice.

Haswell may have been more easily trumped by the newer skylake if it pricing matched but in the case of the i7 + say a $40 cooler (nothing too flashy) you're looking at a $160 price premium for skylake and the performance isn't $160 worth. It's over a 36% price increase and even under the best case scenarios it's maybe 15-18% performance and that's being generous. Realistically in most scenarios it's much lower like 5-10% performance for 36% more cost.
 
I see the 4790K about $331.50 and the 6700K at $399.99. When the yield gets better I'd expect those prices to drop. But yes if you want a Skylake i7 you are going to pay a premium and I say GOD BLESS YOU! Would you like a Samsung 950 Pro 512GB with that?
 
The 6700k is simply not a good value, when a 5820k is selling for $20 less.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($399.99 @ B&H)
Total: $399.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-20 21:54 EST-0500

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($379.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $379.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-20 21:54 EST-0500


X99 platform can cost a little more, but features like 3 way SLI, I believe make it worth it.
 
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