Intel Haswell iGPU to support DirectX 11.1, OpenGL 3.2

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Intel right now is about 6 to 7 years behind Nvidia and AMD. HD3000 is comparable to Nvidia GT6600 which is like 2004 time. Even if the next generation will be 5 times faster than current one still 5 times poopooo = more poopoo
I had the "honor" of using HD3000 on i5 2500K when I RMAed my 6950s and oh boy I though I'm gonna have hard attack. I used my old laptop with winXP instead...then I got bored got FX8150 much snappier than i5
 
[citation][nom]thor220[/nom]It's getting really annoying how intel is slapping i on everything. We have ipads, iphohes, icarly, ipad, i-5, ect. Can they at least come up with something that makes it seem different.[/citation]
Ummm, Intel is using i on Core i3, i5, and i7 processors. i is Apple and people that are getting sued by Apple for using an i. How does that make it that "intel is slapping i on everything?"
 
[citation][nom]Realbeast[/nom]Ummm, Intel is using i on Core i3, i5, and i7 processors. iEverything else is Apple and people that are getting sued by Apple for using an i. How does that make it that "intel is slapping i on everything?"[/citation]
 
[citation][nom]de5_roy[/nom]you have that backwards. intel is able to raise their cpu prices[/citation]

False. AMD has indeed raised the prices of their APU's, because Intel and Nvidia can't compete. They don't even have a comparable product, so how could they possibly compete? Simple - they cannot.

Do some research and request a pay raise from Intel if necessary. You are a paid pumper, but you're far from professional.
 
I see the Intards and Nvidiots, paid by their respective bullying companies, are now all over the internet. First it was the yahoo finance AMD message boards, now they're on google and every major hardware site as well.

Consumers are too smart for your nonsense to work, and we will all buy superior AMD products.
 
[citation][nom]mikenygmail[/nom]Wrong, A8 is better and Intel sucks for graphics. This will be overpriced to boot![/citation]
[citation][nom]mikenygmail[/nom]Intel Integrated Graphics are a joke. Intel needs to raise pumper pay, and find better employees.[/citation]
[citation][nom]mikenygmail[/nom]Wrong again, an A8 APU equipped gaming computer is far more powerful than any Intel CPU + GPU combination. The A8 is also far more efficient.[/citation]
Everyone's favorite AMD troll comes to grace us with his wisdom...
 
[citation][nom]frozonic[/nom]i dont know about you guys but intel graphics is very decent for the average user, in fact, the sandy bridge GPU is better than a AMD 5450 or 6450, and i think that this gpu upgrade that will be implemented on ivy bridge is going to be really cool, i think intel should also be making high end and mid range gaming gpu´s. that, will add more competition to the GPU/PC sector and maybe...if done right.... better performance & lower power usage per dollar than AMD and Nvidia. intel FTW![/citation]
OK so intel would beat AMD AND nVidia, now intel won't have a monopoly in just the CPU area but also in the GPU area and maybe the SSD area too

the last thing I want is a one-company-makes-everything monopoly in computers

if intel beats AMD's integrated GPUs then well say goodbye to CPUs as we know them (no more development, more expensive processors with no improvements...)

maybe another company could make a new OPEN architecture and strike intel when it least expects it by that improved architecture and would free us from the propietary x86, just wish so
 
[citation][nom]lradunovic77[/nom]Intel will get this working so well and suprass AMD integrated graphic solution. Intel can push development like no other company can because they have resources and people. I wouldn't write them off at all. Look at CPU market, they beat everything. They will take over ARM in Mobile Market as well.[/citation]
this is the sad reality

no more competition, we might find computers, mobiles... at double maybe triple the prices due to the lack of competition

intel is trying to kill AMD then it's next targets will be ARM, nVidia, TI, Samsung...

the only reason intel is so financially strong is because of it's unfair business practices, AMD had the chance but intel bribed, threatened and more
you can't keep making great chips and not sell them
AMD invested great ammounts of money into athlon FXs and 64s but didn't gain a lot due to intel cheating
 
[citation][nom]fazers_on_stun[/nom]What I'm hoping for is that Haswell and the mobo chipset will be smart enough to switch between the IGP (low power consumption) and a discrete GPU depending on the GPU processing power needed for the job. IIRC a high-end discrete card still consumes lots of power when idle, or virtually so, in the case of browsing the web, etc where you don't need much GPU power anyway. I probably spend at least as much time browsing & other stuff as I do gaming.[/citation]

I agree. I heard that Nvidia's Optimus had lots of problems when switching between Intel's IGP and Nivida's discrete GPUs, such as games defaulting on Intel's IGP instead of the more powerful Nivida GPUs.
 
While everyone else pisses on each other over the value of various processors, I'd like to know why OpenGL support in Haswell is stuck at version 3.2, which was released in 2009.

Shouldn't the gpu be up to *at least* OpenGL 4.2?
 
[citation][nom]alvine[/nom]I think thats already possible on Asus motherboardslook up "LucidLogix Virtu"[/citation]
in theory that's great. but that's the problem, just theory. it has a bunch of problems. it doesn't work in tons of applications and games. random bdso's and so on.
 
Intel has pioneered much of the PC architecture. That is why it is financially strong. Look up how the company started, what its founder invented, and the other inventions along the way. They have also done much more than just x86. Intel isn't going anywhere and neither is AMD. They will both keep going strong well into the future.
 
"Intel Haswell iGPU to support DirectX 11.1, OpenGL 3.2", Yeah, riiiiiiight, shuuuuure. And it's gonna be awesome like all the gpu intel produced. AW-SOME.
 
[citation][nom]oldbluekid[/nom]"Intel Haswell iGPU to support DirectX 11.1, OpenGL 3.2", Yeah, riiiiiiight, shuuuuure. And it's gonna be awesome like all the gpu intel produced. AW-SOME.[/citation]

to their credit, they are becomeing more and more viable as time goes on, at least when you are in the 720p range on a notebook. i beleive i saw a tech demo on one of their new gpus, it will honestly give amd a run for their money, as its a better cpu and a good enough gpu.
 
[citation][nom]mikenygmail[/nom]False. AMD has indeed raised the prices of their APU's, because Intel and Nvidia can't compete. They don't even have a comparable product, so how could they possibly compete? Simple - they cannot.Do some research and request a pay raise from Intel if necessary. You are a paid pumper, but you're far from professional.[/citation]

Can you prove that because i can say your giving BS. I've been watching the prices on the APU's (mainly on newegg's) since there launch and I can certainly can say they have not gone up.

If anything, some of the APU prices have gone DOWN due to new apu's taking there price point.

A8-3850 for example was $140 at launch, right now i can get it for $120. What has taken it's place is the A8-3870K for the exact same price point.

Dont know where you live but here in the US, APU have not passed the $140 mark. So they certainly have not gone up.

If you live somewhere else, sorry that your prices has gone up but not all areas are feeling the same effects.
 
[citation][nom]frozonic[/nom]i dont know about you guys but intel graphics is very decent for the average user, in fact, the sandy bridge GPU is better than a AMD 5450 or 6450[/citation]

Incorrect, even the stronger HD3000 does not touch hd6450 in graphics.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/5

Not even counting the 6550D in AMD's APUs.

[citation][nom]Kewlx25[/nom]You lie like the MPAA/RIAA about SOPA.A8 does have a nice integrated GPU, but it is no were near as powerful as the Intel chip in the CPU department. Also, the A8 is only ~2x faster than Intels IGP in Sandybridge. Haswell is going to have a much beefier GPU, so we'll see how the A8 stands up to it.On the power side of things, the A8 is running ~160watt full CPU+GPU load. Haswell will be only 90watts and we'll see how the performance is once it comes out. Intel and AMD rate TDP a bit differently. Intel is based on peak and AMD is based on average, and Intel still claims a lower TDP.I am not talking down about AMD, I love them, but I am being realistic about it.[/citation]

Incorrect also, see above. Double the frame rates is not "twice as powerful". One is playable, one is not. The A8 also does not use 160w. Link above has a power comparison too, I would expect an APU using discrete graphics to pull more power, so +40 w on load is understandable. If your concern is really wattage, A 65w A6 still has a better iGPU than Intel's iGPU. And comparing LAST years AMD A8 to NEXT year's Intel Haswell? Where's your logic in that?

[citation][nom]de5_roy[/nom]so...many...fails... 3d facepalm...a8 apus are mostly 100w apus that can be easily outclassed by a pentium g620/860 and a 6570/6670/6750. remember you said 'a8 apu (no mention of a 6670 or any crossfirable gfx card) vs any intel cpu+gpu'. you have that backwards. intel is able to raise their cpu prices because amd is currently incapable of competing.i'll reserve my opnion on trinity and piledriver until they launch and get tested.[/citation]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=406

Non HT Intels cannot touch even the A8 in anything that's decently multithreaded. Now if all you do is low threaded like gaming, have fun with a g620. You can always pay for a new CPU shortly down the line when developers decide they need more CPU power and optimize for multithreading, or you could just pay that extra cost now and get an i5 that's pretty powerful.

Now, I'm sure Intel's iGPU will be better for IB and for Haswell next year, but that doesn't mean AMD won't also be using better iGPUs by next year.
 
[citation][nom]fazers_on_stun[/nom]What I'm hoping for is that Haswell and the mobo chipset will be smart enough to switch between the IGP (low power consumption) and a discrete GPU depending on the GPU processing power needed for the job. IIRC a high-end discrete card still consumes lots of power when idle, or virtually so, in the case of browsing the web, etc where you don't need much GPU power anyway. I probably spend at least as much time browsing & other stuff as I do gaming.[/citation]

You won't see this in Windows 8 systems because Microsoft doesn't allow switchable graphics in OEM-built hardware. They see it as a cop-out for poor power management in the higher-end GPU, and they're right - the GPU should be able to dynamically adjust power requirements by demand. Why should your NVIDIA card draw more power than anything else for just running Aero and Metro when an ARM processor GPU is far less powerful and it can already do this?
 
[citation][nom]Kewlx25[/nom] Intel is based on peak and AMD is based on average, and Intel still claims a lower TDP.[/citation]

No. Even on the Arrandale's I specifically tested at Intel (i3,i5,i7 first gen) they were allowed to go above the rated TDP for a number of seconds, so TDP is rated about the same. BUT you ARE pretty much spot on about everything else...
 
[citation][nom]fazers_on_stun[/nom]What I'm hoping for is that Haswell and the mobo chipset will be smart enough to switch between the IGP (low power consumption) and a discrete GPU depending on the GPU processing power needed for the job. IIRC a high-end discrete card still consumes lots of power when idle, or virtually so, in the case of browsing the web, etc where you don't need much GPU power anyway. I probably spend at least as much time browsing & other stuff as I do gaming.[/citation]

Dude, switchable graphics have been out for a couple of years, why wouldn't this have it in 2 years when it comes out?
 
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