Intel Having Problems Getting Those Ultrabooks Under $1000

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AppleBlowsDonkeyBalls, I agree that the E-350 is fine for almost all users. However, there are no E-350 based systems that are anywhere NEAR as thin as what Intel is stipulating. Yes, weight and battery life are key. I think the E-350 can do the battery life, but it is the responsibility of the vendors to create a chassis that will be thin and light, and preferably sturdy, so that business users will want it for a reasonable price, over an older MacBook Air...

I love my Atom netbook. It does me well. I have an SSD in it and a 9 cell battery that gives me 10 hours of real world battery life. But I would LIKE to have a better screen and a thinner chassis that requires only a 4 or 6 cell battery that gives me at least 8 hour battery life, to save weight...
 
[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]Llano benchmarks SUCK. AMD's business model of the APU is flawed. With intel able to stick a 2nd gen i7 into such a thin platform what's the point of Llano or any of AMDs APUs? An i7 plus even a value discrete GPU blows Llano out of the water and forgot about APUs.[/citation]
Yeah but Llano COMPLETELY blows your i7 integrated graphics away. Besides with most of these ultrathins you cant even add discrete card, so your point is moot, intel fanboy.
 
To me I don't care about how thin a notebook or netbook is.
I care most about the battery life and performance (and that is a trade off too battery life vs performance).
Also I prefer that the battery can be easily removed and replaced with a 2nd charged one in case the battery gets low (needs recharging) or fails (easy replacement).
 
Can I have my ThinkPad X320 now? For $1300 or less?

Because that's an ultraportable I can live with (as long as they add the IPS screen option from the X220's since the screens on the X300/X301 were reportedly pretty bad).


I'm sorry, but the optical drive on a notebook is just not ready to go. I don't buy all my shows online or torrent/Usenet them. And so if I want to watch a movie, I'm hosed without an external DVD drive that defeats the purpose of being so thin and light.


And I'm not about to spend 1000 dollars on a consumer-level laptop that will break if it is dropped, sat on, watered, etc., because I could have bought 2 500-dollar laptops (which have around the same specs as these machines minus the SSD) for that price.
I can accept the loss of a simple netbook in this fashion since they're so cheap but that's hard to justify for an Ultrabook.

So I'll stick with a fully-functional thin-and-light book like a ThinkPad T420s (which isn't super-thin but it's close) for the same price as one of these machines.
 
These days my gadgets have 1 common thread, None have an Intel processor. I use an Android phone, iPad 2, HP dm1-3020us and AMD Athlon II X4 based desktop. Intel just doesn't cut it.
 
otacon72 said: "Yeah but Llano COMPLETELY blows your i7 integrated graphics away. Besides with most of these ultrathins you cant even add discrete card, so your point is moot, intel fanboy."

It blows it away in 3D gaming performance. I doubt anybody is buying an Ultrabook to play 3D games on. Unfortunately, your fanboy point is very moot. This is likely a business notebook who will use 3D somewhat but not a lot... never enough to know the difference between Llano 3D and Sandy Bridge 3D. The CPU performance and battery life of the Ultrabook will be very noticable though for business users like myself.
 
[citation][nom]jacobdrj[/nom]There are people who work, and travel, but have a hard enough time lugging around their own luggage, and LOVE the idea of carrying '1kg less weight...'There is a market for this, even if some of the more vocal Tom's Hardware posters are hardcore performance buffs, and therefore don't understand this...I love my desktop. I pimp it out with the latest and greatest, no matter how much copper I have to strap on to my silicon to keep it cool... But I want battery life and portability (small weight/size) when I am on the road... Every ounce of spared weight counts...[/citation]


You should tell them to hit up the gym once a week and build some muscle - because 1kg is some SERIOUS sissy weight.


Paying hundreds of dollars for something slightly thinner and lighter is beyond stupid. Also consider the fact of the thermals. I'll stick to the full form, better performance and cooling factor.
 
[citation][nom]jacobdrj[/nom]There are people who work, and travel, but have a hard enough time lugging around their own luggage, and LOVE the idea of carrying '1kg less weight...'There is a market for this, even if some of the more vocal Tom's Hardware posters are hardcore performance buffs, and therefore don't understand this...I love my desktop. I pimp it out with the latest and greatest, no matter how much copper I have to strap on to my silicon to keep it cool... But I want battery life and portability (small weight/size) when I am on the road... Every ounce of spared weight counts...[/citation]

Then get a 10" netbook with a N570 in it. Runs as well as any dual-core notebook, multitasks, lasts 8 hours on a charge, weights no more than 3lbs and costs under $400.

Seriously, people don't know what a good netbook can do these days...
 
& if they one day can shave off the power brick, they could shave off 350grams of weight for these ultrabooks (gotta love these USB powered toys with their wire, that goes into USB ports, & you can always find one)
 
[citation][nom]amdwilliam1985[/nom]You're getting more than that.I just got my MacBook Air 13", it gives me aluminum uni-body that doesn't feel cheap. It gives me some of the best screen on the market. It gives me up-to 7 hours of battery. It gives me the cool-hand-gestures.Most importantly, it boots up in 15 seconds and shuts down in 2 seconds, that made all my other windows machine jealous(btw, I got like 5 windows machine at home and 1 Mac).[/citation]

who cares about feel. i mean, will it last 2-4 years, thats the question, and most nice plastic ones can do that. feel is subliminal that could make you spend more on a notion that doesn't matter.
 
Here's an idea--just to go hit the gym so that extra ounce doesn't matter. Good for you in more ways than just saving money. This is overindulgence no matter how you look at it.
 
Travelers and people who don't game seriously are what these laptops are aimed at - I am switching from my Pro 15" to an 13" Air because I have to travel quite a bit and I need to work on the go - Grad School and work - means books and that little savings in weight makes a difference on my back. Having near desktop performance (compared to the atom) and light weight is what I need.

Lenovo makes a great alternative if you prefer a Windows only machine.

I hope AMD gets it together in time to compete with Intel with Llano. Maybe in the next version they can but with the current tech and Ivy Bridge about to be launched - they are going to have to move fast, Intel isn't standing still.

People who game (like myself) have a full rig at home that weighs 40lbs - The machines are for two different users not elitists - I wonder why people on here are so judgmental - don't like it - don't buy it.
 
[citation][nom]Luscious[/nom]Then get a 10" netbook with a N570 in it. Runs as well as any dual-core notebook, multitasks, lasts 8 hours on a charge, weights no more than 3lbs and costs under $400.Seriously, people don't know what a good netbook can do these days...[/citation]
I recommended that. Screen was too small for his needs. Battery life wasn't good enough. Had to work too hard to get the SSD in.
 
[citation][nom]whysobluepandabear[/nom]You should tell them to hit up the gym once a week and build some muscle - because 1kg is some SERIOUS sissy weight. Paying hundreds of dollars for something slightly thinner and lighter is beyond stupid. Also consider the fact of the thermals. I'll stick to the full form, better performance and cooling factor.[/citation]
Guy hits the gym every day. Thing is, he is in the gym for rehab. Not everyone is 26 years old and in perfect health. Even 50-year-olds with chronic back conditions have to travel for work to make ends meet. Just because you don't understand that there is a market for this does not mean it is so.
 
[citation][nom]whysobluepandabear[/nom]You should tell them to hit up the gym once a week and build some muscle - because 1kg is some SERIOUS sissy weight. Paying hundreds of dollars for something slightly thinner and lighter is beyond stupid. Also consider the fact of the thermals. I'll stick to the full form, better performance and cooling factor.[/citation]

Thanks for assuming the wrong thing... I do hit the gym, 5 days a week: Yesterday I ran 3-1 mile sprints and did a marine standard pull up routine...

Can I assume that you don't travel for work? I won't assume much more because it makes me a douche...

You should try putting a full form laptop on a the Amtrak Accela to NYC - it's not a lot of space. Or on a flight where you have 4 hours to pound out a proposal - the full form laptops don't leave much space for my 6'3" frame.

I can understand having a preference based on your usage is totally valid. Calling people elitist for preferring a laptop made by Apple that's the same price or even cheaper (per the article) than the competition is absurd and telling people to hit the gym when you have no idea if they do is just pompous.
Again - assumptions and judgement...
 
I assume you are weak.

I also assume that you aren't smart enough to discover traveling bags with WHEELS. Seriously, I could lug around 2,000 pounds on wheels. You think 1kg makes a difference? ELL-OH-ELL.
 
i would NEVER spend 1000$ on this crap, god is this all intel been doing they are Not very creative

Why would someone buy this when you can get the same power for cheaper just to have a smaller labtop?
 
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