Intel i5 6100 or AMD 'Godavari' 7870K

Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
Status
Not open for further replies.
M

maverick75

Reputable
Nov 13, 2015
7
0
4,510
Hello Guys..

I need your helps. I would like to upgrade my system from 'entry level' slow amd based platform to brandnew system. Now I bit confuse to choose from :

Intel i5 6100 Skylake 3.7Ghz, paired with
MSI B150M Bazooka socket 1151

VERSUS

AMD Godavari 7870K
Asrock FM2A88X Killer socket FM2+

Which should I choose? and why..

Thanks in advance

Maverick75
 
Solution
DonkeyOatie
If you have a discrete GPU, then you should avoid an APU. When you get an APU you are paying for a decent iGPU that you will almost never use.

You need to do some research to understand the difference between AMD and Intel CPUs. Engine r.p.m. is no measure of the power of a car or a truck, so Ghz is only of value when comparing similar CPUs. What mostly matters with CPUs is instruction execution throughput, and the Intel cores have substantially more throughput at 3.7Ghz, than AMD cores do at 4.4Ghz. A two core i3 6100 at 3.7Ghz has more throughput than the '10 cores' of the A10-7870K at 4.4Ghz.

The hardware you are looking at is not consistent with your goals. To play those and future games at 1080p 60Hz, High or better, I would...
Sort by date Sort by votes
"Intel because of better processor performance. AMD APUs have weak processor performance; weaker than AMD's FX series CPUs which can only compete with Intel CPUs to a certain point with higher clock speeds.

Intel is more expensive, but then again it is more powerful. "


"The intel i5-6100. Reasons for this are: More powerful cores, newer memory support, smaller manufacturing process (runs cooler), and overall cooler temps. "


"While I'm an AMD advocate, Intel's processors have more overall performance. However, the APU claims more bang for the buck. I suggest getting a good GPU with the Intel processor, mainly because DDR4 is now mainstream though. "


Okay, if I choose intel. But those 7870K still 'spinning' in my head it has gimmicky features and promising can be overclock to 4.1 Ghz. While intel isn't. The i3 6100 was brand new release of Skylake series, has locked frequency 'only' in 3.7 Ghz and only dual cores. Actually what made them more powerful than AMD 10 cores?

 
Upvote 0 Downvote


None of the AMD processors have 10 cores. I thought this was a quad core i5, not a dual core i3.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
The 7870K has 4 CPU 'cores' and 6 GPU 'cores'. That's where the 10 cores comes from. The two factory overclocked CPU modules, the same as the 860K and the on-chip iGPU graphics processors. It's not a new chip. It's Kaveri -Refresh at best; a factory overclocked A10-7850K from the same silicon die and micro-architecture.

Neither of your choices is even mid-range. Do you have a GPU or are you relying on the iGPU only? If you are, then the A10-7870K is the only sensible choice.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
"None of the AMD processors have 10 cores. I thought this was a quad core i5, not a dual core i3. "

"so, is this an i5, or an i3, i3 6100 exist, but not an i5 6100 "

"The 7870K has 4 CPU 'cores' and 6 GPU 'cores'. That's where the 10 cores comes from. The two factory overclocked CPU modules, the same as the 860K and the on-chip iGPU graphics processors. It's not a new chip. It's Kaveri -Refresh at best; a factory overclocked A10-7850K from the same silicon die and micro-architecture.

Neither of your choices is even mid-range. Do you have a GPU or are you relying on the iGPU only? If you are, then the A10-7870K is the only sensible choice. "

Sorry mates the 6100 should be an i3, not i5. Okay, now what made them more powerful than its competitor? AMD even has higher frequency 4.2 Ghz (OC), intel 3.7 Ghz
My systems is intended for graphic design, but also as 'heavy' gaming. Practising Adobe, Corel in day and gaming at night. For 2015, upcoming 2016 game like Battlefield Hardline, Fallout 4, Starcraft2, STALKER, Resident Evil, Dead Island 2, COD series, Adobe, Corel, 3Ds Max, Cinema 4D, which handle best? My current GPU is R7 series (legacy) so this upgrade is for CPUs and Mobos only. May be in next couple months I will take one GTX 950 or GTX 960

 
Upvote 0 Downvote
If you have a discrete GPU, then you should avoid an APU. When you get an APU you are paying for a decent iGPU that you will almost never use.

You need to do some research to understand the difference between AMD and Intel CPUs. Engine r.p.m. is no measure of the power of a car or a truck, so Ghz is only of value when comparing similar CPUs. What mostly matters with CPUs is instruction execution throughput, and the Intel cores have substantially more throughput at 3.7Ghz, than AMD cores do at 4.4Ghz. A two core i3 6100 at 3.7Ghz has more throughput than the '10 cores' of the A10-7870K at 4.4Ghz.

The hardware you are looking at is not consistent with your goals. To play those and future games at 1080p 60Hz, High or better, I would want an i5. Even an i3 is not enough for that today. Your GPU will also need a significant upgrade.

You must change either your hardware budget to get what you want, or change your software expectations if you want to use an i3.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Solution
"If you have a discrete GPU, then you should avoid an APU. When you get an APU you are paying for a decent iGPU that you will almost never use.

You need to do some research to understand the difference between AMD and Intel CPUs. Engine r.p.m. is no measure of the power of a car or a truck, so Ghz is only of value when comparing similar CPUs. What mostly matters with CPUs is instruction execution throughput, and the Intel cores have substantially more throughput at 3.7Ghz, than AMD cores do at 4.4Ghz. A two core i3 6100 at 3.7Ghz has more throughput than the '10 cores' of the A10-7870K at 4.4Ghz.

The hardware you are looking at is not consistent with your goals. To play those and future games at 1080p 60Hz, High or better, I would want an i5. Even an i3 is not enough for that today. Your GPU will also need a significant upgrade.

You must change either your hardware budget to get what you want, or change your software expectations if you want to use an i3."

"If you want to play the newest games at high-ultra settings 1080p, an i5 is a must, an i3 is not enough anymore, BF4, Cities Skylines, fallout 4, GTA 5 all bring my i3 to its knees and cause CPU bottlenecks. "

Thanks mates A kind of solutions..I think I must start saving my money for now to buy brand new i5 with new LGA. Because $300 is not enough for them both
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
The i3 6100 and the a10 7870k are both "Quad Core APUs" in the sense that both offer 4 Logical Cores and an OpenCL/Video Accelerator to your system. That is, the i3 6100 has hyper-threading. Because the Intel chip has hyper-threading it offers not only better single-threaded performance but multi-threaded performance as well. Sorry AMD but as a developer I don't consider CMT modules to be two whole cores.

As of Jan 2016, the one thing APUs and iGPUs offer gaming is hardware support for video encoding for streamers. Intel in my opinion does this better, as you can stream to Twitch using Intel Quicksync hardware acceleration to encode the video with almost zero performance penalty. The a10 APU can encode the video using the shaders in the APU using OpenCL, which is useful if you're encoding in something other than HVEC or h264, tho the Skylake iGPUs make for half decent OpenCL accelerators too.

To be honest, the only thing the a10 offers is a better OpenCL accelerator, and unless your streaming, for gaming workloads this doesn't even matter because no games use it. In video and photo editing type workloads where the APU might be used, you're probably better off using a real GPU anyway. I would suggest pairing anything from a 4GB 960/380 to a 970 or 390 with this system, and going SLI/Crossfire in the next generation or two when prices drop, tho I'd suggest getting an 8320e FX if and 970FX board instead if you're going with a discreet card.

As for those motherboards, they are poor choices. I'm sorry but the Asrock Killer board is all bling, and the MSI board looks the same. They are not even good for gaming as they don't support SLI, they're literally just bling. They do have good build quality, but so do all Asrock, Asus or Gigabyte boards....

i3 6100 board....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157675&cm_re=z170_extreme_4-_-13-157-675-_-Product

a10 7870k board...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157457&cm_re=a88x_atx-_-13-157-457-_-Product

Both of these boards should work in both Crossfire or SLI. One does Gen3 8x/8x/4x the other does Gen3 8x/8x/Gen2 4x, and that 4x would still be plenty useful for something like an SSD or USB3.0 or USB3.1 IO card say if you needed the USB3.1 ports for an Occulus Rift. Or as a PhysX card if you went with SLI.

Honestly though, if you have a video card get an 8320e and a 970 FX board, cheaper than an APU, faster than an APU, SLI support, support for overclocking (def get a Hyper 212 Evo later), 1866 memory (sweet spot for FX) is cheap enough,....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132713&cm_re=970_fx-_-13-132-713-_-Product

The 8 core CPU from AMD are pretty solid and compete very well against the i5, and 970 FX boards are more than enough for even high end gaming rigs. The main feature of 990FX is quad-crossfire or quad-sli, which is a very niche space, and while the 8320e with a 212 evo and modest overclock isn't going to trump an i7 it will deliver mid-range performance (sometimes better, sometimes worse than an i5) at a very low price point.

PS: Yes even a Pentum Dual core will beat it in single threaded workloads, like.... Quake1 or Duke Nukem Atomic Edition. Don't worry though, all major modern 3d engiens are becoming more and more threaded and this trend shows no signs of slowing down or changing course back to how things were, in fact, it's still growing.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
The information you have posted is relevant. This thread is solved and has been inactive for almost two months. The only person who should be posting to it is the OP (Original Poster), otherwise, it is a dead thread. Posting to it now will send an e-mail to all the earlier contributors and add to the dozens of notifications I, for one, get every day. This is called necromancy and is bad form on this and most other boards.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Status
Not open for further replies.

TRENDING THREADS

Latest posts

Moderators online

Share this page

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom