Discussion Intel i9-12900K - Gamers Nexus review

[alceryes]

Here you go -

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhI9tLOg-6I


(gaming benchmarks start at 14:20)

Some highlights -
In overall gaming, the i9-12900K wins over the R9 5900X and 5950X. The win is costly as power efficiency goes is still completely out the window. This is not an issue for me, as I don't care to limit power on a gaming rig.
Windows 11 definitely gives the i9-12900K an uplift in application performance, compared to Windows 10.

Thoughts?

Edit - Didn't see Tom's review when I started this post. Here it is -

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...re-i5-12600k-review-retaking-the-gaming-crown

 

[alceryes]

So if a third party company screws up and causes their game/app to get crashes it's the fault of windows?

Support=limited support, as limited as the company decides, they could provide one single driver that is even very bad and it would still be called support.

Fully supported= you can argue what that would mean if they don't state exactly what that covers.

We're gonna get into the 'shades of gray' and semantics areas real quick if we continue in this direction, which wasn't the original purpose of this thread.
I will end my side with this -
It seems obvious that Windows 10 is supported (or fully supported, depending on your definition) by Alder Lake CPUs, as Intel's own site states that they are 'actively' working with manufacturers to correct these issues.

 

[Phaaze88]

So, this is sort of an unspoken elephant, and one Steve probably misses: 'gamers' not caring about power consumption.
Overclocking, or just raising/removing the power limits on their hardware to chase after every bit of fps that they can, thus defeating what efficiency Intel's cpus bring to the table...
Yes, they can be told to put the limits back in place and just undervolt, even though they won't really miss anything, but how many are going to do that?
Undervolt is about all one should really need to do, due to how motherboards overvolt by default.

I wish more did care about power consumption/efficiency. If you live in a cold climate, more power to you, I suppose. I live in a warmer one, so I value it a bit more.

 

[Frag Maniac]

Firstly, thank you for conceding that I am correct.

What part of W11 being made with a scheduler specifically designed to work with Alder Lake do you not get? THAT is a huge part of what they mean by W11 FULLY supporting Alder Lake, while W10 just works with Alder Lake, but does not take advantage of everything Alder Lake can do.

You really ought to learn more about such things before pretending to know it all. You're becoming more of a stick in the mud, than a participant in the discussion by calling people out merely for speaking the facts, and in doing so, educating you.

And please don't try to tell us MS can just easily add such a scheduler to W10, because I'm quite sure you know next to nothing about programming either.

 

[alceryes]

What part of W11 being made with a scheduler specifically designed to work with Alder Lake do you not get? THAT is a huge part of what they mean by W11 FULLY supporting Alder Lake, while W10 just works with Alder Lake, but does not take advantage of everything Alder Lake can do.

I fully understand this and it has nothing to do with my post(s).

You really ought to learn more about such things before pretending to know it all. You're becoming more of a stick in the mud, than a participant in the discussion by calling people out merely for speaking the facts, and in doing so, educating you.

1) I'm not pretending to know it all.

2) I agree about learning more. I have been in the Information Technology industry for over 20 years and am still actively learning.

3) However, I ask that you please enlighten me on precisely where 'someone spoke facts and I called them out incorrectly,' which seems to be what you are implying. I already stated that a program or game working without crashing fits into my definition of both supported and fully supported.

And please don't try to tell us MS can just easily add such a scheduler to W10, because I'm quite sure you know next to nothing about programming either.

Hahaha! This is kinda funny, because...

...just for anecdotal reference, Windows 11 uses the same kernel binary as the latest version of Windows 10. Please guess where this scheduler resides. 😉
(of course, it's not active in Windows 10 - but it is there)

 

[Karadjgne]

MS has probable plans to initiate/activate/install the scheduler into Win10. They just won't yet because both Intel and MS want some sort of actual movement into Win11 adoption/sales. It's quite evident by the marketing insinuating that 12thgen only works on Win11, is only Fully supported for Win11. Many older pc's might have TPM, but Win11 requires TPM 2.0, and there's very little mention of exactly which gens from Intel and Amd carry such, since Intel wants you to buy a new platform that Is Fully supported.

10 days to restore to Win10 or other. Since when does MS get to decide what OS I want to use.

As mentioned, it's a play on words, semantics, BS all designed by marketing to make the unaware or ignorant freek out and upgrade, because their old stuff won't work tomorrow. When obviously, it does.

 

[alceryes]

As mentioned, it's a play on words, semantics, BS all designed by marketing to make the unaware or ignorant freek out and upgrade, because their old stuff won't work tomorrow. When obviously, it does.

Yup.
And, as we all know, the best way to get people to move to a newer product is to force them, lie to them, or mislead them. 🙄

 

[Karadjgne]

Noooo, Microsoft wouldn't lie to us, deceive us or fabricate untruths... Would it?

 

[Frag Maniac]

I fully understand this and it has nothing to do with my post(s).



1) I'm not pretending to know it all.

2) I agree about learning more. I have been in the Information Technology industry for over 20 years and am still actively learning.

3) However, I ask that you please enlighten me on precisely where 'someone spoke facts and I called them out incorrectly,' which seems to be what you are implying. I already stated that a program or game working without crashing fits into my definition of both supported and fully supported.



Hahaha! This is kinda funny, because...

...just for anecdotal reference, Windows 11 uses the same kernel binary as the latest version of Windows 10. Please guess where this scheduler resides. 😉
(of course, it's not active in Windows 10 - but it is there)

Fully understand? Hardly, Terry was right, W11 was designed to fully support AL and has a working scheduler that supports it. If W10 did, we would not be having this conversation. It has EVERYTHING to do with your post!

It seems to me you ARE pretending to know it all, yet missing the obvious.

Well if you've been in IT for over 20 years, I doubt you're making much if any money at it, because people with those skills can afford a lot more than $10 for a game.

Already enlightened you in paragraph 1, but I doubt you'll pay attention.

I'm not really that easily impressed with tech skill claims tossed about on the internet, especially when the one doing so seems to lack common sense.

 

[COLGeek]

Folks, lets take it down a notch. Shall we?

Thank you.

 

[Frag Maniac]

Folks, lets take it down a notch. Shall we?

Thank you.

Noted, I've taken steps to assure it won't happen again. 😉