[SOLVED] Intel i9 7960x , Multi-core enhancement Failure, (help requested)

[HaizRail007]

Hello, it's been awhile since I've posted anything on here, But I've hit a wall and I'm not sure how to solve the issue. So let me start, The problem is that when I turn multi-core enhancement on in bios, and then I try to run either prime 95 or handbrake, the pc then bsod's within 10 seconds of either running prime 95 or or starting to render video using handbrake.

I've tested the cpu, checked Motherboard pins and memory modules and all are fine and dandy. I was thinking it was a motherboard issue, so I swapped out the motherboard hoping that would solve the issue. but to my dismay there was no change. the first Motherboard was a asrock x299 Killer sli/ac and the second was a gigabyte x299x arours master. In addtion I checked voltages and power draw using occt I got a reading from the cpu of 280 to 430 watts. all the power supply voltages were normal according to occt. In addition, running multi-core enhancement on, in general leaves the computer running fine except prime 95 and handbrake. I did notice it blue screened once while playing cod modern warfare, with the multi-core enhancement turned on. but if I turn it off everything runs fine on the asrock motherboard. I did send back the gigabyte board back due to it not wanting to post after a software restart. and I have bought another motherboard and I'm just waiting on it to come it. but any idea's on what is causing the multi-core to crash the computer. Moreover, I've got a buddy running that gigabyte board and a 9900x, he as well gets the bsod with multi-core enabled, when running those two programs .

pc spec's

monitors

3 24 in asus 1920 x 1080

1 40 in lg 4k tv

balistic sport 2400 mhz ddr 4 memory

cpu 7960x
gpu gigabyte aorus 2080ti WBE
m.2 860 evo
1 optical drive
1 card reader
1 hotswap
aver media capture card c985
1 mechanical hhd

cooling specs

I've tried both cooling methods

Method one

cpu cooling

480mm X 60mm raid
phobia waterblock
8 Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3000 PWM push/pull configuration
alphacool d5 pump none pwm
2 Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3000 PWM front Intake and 1 for exhaust

for gpu loop
2 Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000 PWM
280mm x 60 mm raid.

Method 2

cpu cooling
noctua d15 air cooler

psu 1300 watt super nova gold rating

gpu loop carries over and so does the 2 front intake fans and 1 exhaust fan in the rear , However, I've taken the 8 fans in the top and removed 4 and turned then into 4 additional intake fans.
and speed setting is on silent except for cpu fans which are maxed.

In addition, I've looked at event viewer on my system and my buddies and when both systems suffer from the dreaded crash, event viewer log's it as power kernal 41.

consequently, if the turbo boost 3.0 is enabled without multi-core enhancement turned on I get the same crash . but if I turn on McE and turn off all turbo boosts, it works normal and no crashes. I do feel as if it's a power issue. Furthermore, if turbo boost 3.0 along with McE is enabled and the standard turbo boost is disabled, the pc doesn't crash in prime 95 , but the video signal to my 4 monitors goes out, indicating a massive power draw.Lastly, the cpu is not being overclocked and I'm trying to get it to run with in intel's specifications.

 

[HaizRail007]

Interesting so the dim modules could be most of my problem then. I'll give you the link to asrock motherboard qvl.

I wa thinking it was a montherboard issue as well, so I bought a gigybyte x299x aorus master but it was terrible had to send it back to amazon, due to it not posting after restarting the pc. I would have to preform a hard reset. I have put the asrock motherboard back in, but I have a asus prime edition 30 coming in in a few days and I hope it's a good board. I know I'm tired of this motherboard musical chairs I've been having to do LOL.

https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/X299 Killer SLIac/index.asp#MemorySKL

as I stated in my earlier post I'm confused and concerned about both board and memory compatibility. if you look at the qvl for the asrock is shows theses dimm modules compatible with 8 dim's or 2 sets of quad channel memory. however on the asus board's qvl it doesn't list them at all. so this does confuse me.

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/...DITION_30/X299_Series_Memory_QVL_20200526.pdf

lastly, I bought the ram sticks from a friend who parted his x99 system out before upgrading to the newer platform. he bought them from a micro center, in 2 sets with the same model number, I have his old invoice now at least. so this could very well be the issue.

 

[Phaaze88]

That doesn't guarantee a kit isn't compatible with a certain board. There's so many kits out there, and they can only test so many of them.

That said:

https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/X299 Killer SLIac/index.asp#MemorySKL

Why the heck were only single stick configs confirmed supported???

Even when I use Crucial's Memory Finder, the model numbers aren't the exact same with 1, 2, and 4 dimm kits.
This looks like a memory issue.

Is it possible for you to test with a single stick of ram, or is that too little for your applications besides Prime 95?

 

[HaizRail007]

I can run the system in safe mode and disable all the features windows likes to run in the background. But it will have to wait till tomorrow it's 10 pm here and I'm wore out. and I'm not sure why asrock decided to allow that. but I can say it's confusing.

 

[Phaaze88]

Okey-dokey! G'night!

 

[Darkbreeze]

lastly, I bought the ram sticks from a friend who parted his x99 system out before upgrading to the newer platform. he bought them from a micro center, in 2 sets with the same model number, I have his old invoice now at least. so this could very well be the issue.

I'd be VERY surprised if THIS wasn't the issue. Unfortunately you probably have no way of knowing which sticks are the ones that came in one kit and which ones came in the other, in order to separate them and test half and then the other half.

The bottom line though is that your X299 (And X99 for that matter) platform has shown itself to be VERY temperamental when it comes to even slight differences in populated memory.

What is the actual model of the KIT as shown on the invoice, rather than the model of the individual sticks, which is what CPU-Z will likely show you, or at least, in some cases will.

 

[HaizRail007]

I'd be VERY surprised if THIS wasn't the issue. Unfortunately you probably have no way of knowing which sticks are the ones that came in one kit and which ones came in the other, in order to separate them and test half and then the other half.

The bottom line though is that your X299 (And X99 for that matter) platform has shown itself to be VERY temperamental when it comes to even slight differences in populated memory.

What is the actual model of the KIT as shown on the invoice, rather than the model of the individual sticks, which is what CPU-Z will likely show you, or at least, in some cases will.

Had a busy morning, but the the invoice just shows the some of the information that I provided. it included's the model Number of the sticks, the only real difference is it says crucial ballistix sport 2x 4GB X 4 kit and then the model number, but there's no batch number. your right I have no way of knowing.

when my buddy parted out his system I bought his asrock x99 professional gaming I7, the 5930k and the 64 Gb's of ram. and he shipped everything in an anti-static within the motherboard box. Nevertheless, at no point did I consider the memory being incompatible with one another, since they all were the same model. But have pulling the 4 sticks last night and changing a few of the power settings I did notice a improvement. So what I'm going to do today is try triple channel and single channel and see if there's an improvement.

 

[HaizRail007]

Had a busy morning, but the the invoice just shows the some of the information that I provided. it included's the model Number of the sticks, the only real difference is it says crucial ballistix sport 2x 4GB X 4 kit and then the model number, but there's no batch number. your right I have no way of knowing.

when my buddy parted out his system I bought his asrock x99 professional gaming I7, the 5930k and the 64 Gb's of ram. and he shipped everything in an anti-static within the motherboard box. Nevertheless, at no point did I consider the memory being incompatible with one another, since they all were the same model. But have pulling the 4 sticks last night and changing a few of the power settings I did notice a improvement. So what I'm going to do today is try triple channel and single channel and see if there's an improvement.

To give everyone a update I'm trying to get up with him to make sure he gave me the right invoice, due to the fact there's no batch or serial listed. on other new's the Asus board came in this morning from newegg. I hope it turns out to be a good board, I know asus is supporting there product's more so than asrock and of course gigabyte, so I hope this is going to be an investment well spent.

On a side note, When I first got the asrock motherboard and I installed the memory, two of the stick's didn't recognize and when I pulled them out and switched them they recognized ( this was over 2 years ago). Now about 2 months ago I preformed a delid on this 7960x is was very beneficial, nevertheless, I had theses same memory issues popping up, and I had to keep switching them until they were recognized after reinstalling the cpu. At first it wouldn't boot and I thought and I thought I'd bricked my cpu, but that was not the case. I had to reset cmos and I had to play musical memory. the delid went great depending on the application I received a 10 to 30 degree improvement, and the average improvement was about 20 degree's. if you'd like to know more on the method's I used to delid it then I'd be more than happy to provide that info.

Lastly, I'm concerned about memetest, I've ran it multiple times on all of the 8 dimms coming back with no errors. McE could be failing due to the memory a long with turbo boost 3.0. I do feel thats it's either a motherboard issue or memory issue. But considering I've had memory not wanting to recognize before and after the delid and memtest is showing that they are okay, it seems as if there's a incompatibility issue with the sticks .

When I first built the system I did try McE and turbo boost 3.0 and I got the same problems I started this thread over, the difference was I just dismissed it as voltages considering the motherboard was at factory settings. Now after the delid I wanted to score the pc, so I started adjusting theses features and adjusting the power on what I knew how to adjust, and was still getting theses issues, as dark breeze asked me I had ran the intel tool to check the cpu and it came back fine, I ran this test because of the delid.

Now I'm at this point thanks to everyone's help, How to find out which memory modules are which considering they have the same model.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I know asus is supporting there product's more so than asrock and of course gigabyte,

I'm sorry, but excuse me while I go in the other room and laugh like maniac for five or six minutes. LOL.

Yeah, this USED to be true, but these days, trying to get decent product support and customer service out of ASUS is like trying to get MSI to admit that they strong arm reviewers by refusing to provide review samples to anybody who won't give them an absolutely glowing review, and to stop doing it, despite a truck load of evidence showing they do this.

ASUS has been a source of conversation among our veteran members here for the last year or two for exactly the reason that they DON'T support their products like they used to and when they do, they pull half arsed crap like sending replacement motherboards with cracked I/O covers or refusing to replace boards where some primary features don't work claiming that those features are not part of the "warrantable" coverage.

ASUS thinks they are above having to provide excellent customer service after the sale anymore.

The bottom line for me is that until you have a set of DIMMs that all came together, even trying to figure out what is what is pretty much a waste of everybody's time. You'll be at it for months trying to figure out which sticks play nice with each other and which ones don't. You'd be a lot better off simply buying a whole new kit and selling off what you have now in pairs of two or four. Especially if you can't determine which DIMMs DID come together and which didn't.

 

[HaizRail007]

I'm sorry, but excuse me while I go in the other room and laugh like maniac for five or six minutes. LOL.

Yeah, this USED to be true, but these days, trying to get decent product support and customer service out of ASUS is like trying to get MSI to admit that they strong arm reviewers by refusing to provide review samples to anybody who won't give them an absolutely glowing review, and to stop doing it, despite a truck load of evidence showing they do this.

ASUS has been a source of conversation among our veteran members here for the last year or two for exactly the reason that they DON'T support their products like they used to and when they do, they pull half arsed crap like sending replacement motherboards with cracked I/O covers or refusing to replace boards where some primary features don't work claiming that those features are not part of the "warrantable" coverage.

ASUS thinks they are above having to provide excellent customer service after the sale anymore.

The bottom line for me is that until you have a set of DIMMs that all came together, even trying to figure out what is what is pretty much a waste of everybody's time. You'll be at it for months trying to figure out which sticks play nice with each other and which ones don't. You'd be a lot better off simply buying a whole new kit and selling off what you have now in pairs of two or four. Especially if you can't determine which DIMMs DID come together and which didn't.

I understand but at the end of the day I had to pick a manufacturer, Asus compared to asrock and gigabyte at least have kept up with some updates. gigabyte on the other hand has done nothing. and I do agree with you asus is lacking in there customer support and they do balm the customer if something is wrong. In this case it was selecting which one was the less of the evils. been to busy today to test the dimm's, just one of those days I guess . Nevertheless I need to put the new board in and my thermal paste will be in saturady darn usps. so I'll resume testing this weekend.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Don't get me wrong, ASUS makes high quality motherboards. There is NO question about that. Mostly all of their upper mid tiered boards and up are very good, but if you happen to be unfortunate enough to get one that has something wrong with it, it's a roll of the dice as to whether you can get an expected level of support for that product or whether they screw you around making you jump through hoop after hoop just to tell you, in the end, to basically shove (Not the word I'd prefer to use here) off.

Over just this year, to name only a few examples, I have had a failed Hero VIII motherboard, and two moderators each had a failed Crosshair Hero. There were unbelievable failures in the chain of support in each of these cases, and that's JUST among the moderation team. Aside from that, I've personally been involved in more than twenty other threads this year that involved failures on ASUS motherboards, which keep in mind is still a low number of RMA requests, I'm not indicating the failures are high, only that when failures HAPPEN it is a real PITA to get ASUS to offer an appropriate replacement. Sending users USED boards that are BROKEN, in exchange for a failed board? That's not acceptable to me.

So anyhow, you are aware, end of rant.

Let us know what you find.

 

[HaizRail007]

Don't get me wrong, ASUS makes high quality motherboards. There is NO question about that. Mostly all of their upper mid tiered boards and up are very good, but if you happen to be unfortunate enough to get one that has something wrong with it, it's a roll of the dice as to whether you can get an expected level of support for that product or whether they screw you around making you jump through hoop after hoop just to tell you, in the end, to basically shove (Not the word I'd prefer to use here) off.

Over just this year, to name only a few examples, I have had a failed Hero VIII motherboard, and two moderators each had a failed Crosshair Hero. There were unbelievable failures in the chain of support in each of these cases, and that's JUST among the moderation team. Aside from that, I've personally been involved in more than twenty other threads this year that involved failures on ASUS motherboards, which keep in mind is still a low number of RMA requests, I'm not indicating the failures are high, only that when failures HAPPEN it is a real PITA to get ASUS to offer an appropriate replacement. Sending users USED boards that are BROKEN, in exchange for a failed board? That's not acceptable to me.

So anyhow, you are aware, end of rant.

Let us know what you find.

yeah I believe you, I could tell you some horror stories myself. I'm crossing my fingers. shoot I'll tell you one I went though with them years ago, I owned a sabertooth 990 fx r 2.0 was a Tuf motherboard and it was a good board, but I was running a darn amd fx 9590 and the vrm's wouldn't stay cool when running that cpu. it was under there so called five year warranty and I registered the board when I had bought it, and the vrm's started heating up within the first 3 years, so I contacted them, they wouldn't honor the warranty. I had proof of purchase, proof of register date, and proof I bought it new and even a paypal statement and a letter from the ceo of paypal stating that it was a legitimate purchase. The reason paypal wrote the letter to my knowledge was because asus was stating that I had bought a stolen product which wasn't the case. asus gave me the biggest run around, making all kind of excuses. I don't like there customer support. I've just found myself between a rock and a hard place this time around and I hope I don't have any issue's and if I do I hope it's within the first 30 days so I can deal with newegg.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Oh Christ. Newegg isn't much better, if any, than ASUS. Not since they were taken over by Liaison Interactive in 2016. In fact, this:

Discussion - BEWARE! Newegg selling returned USED OPEN BOX items as NEW

Recently purchased a graphics card from Newegg and to my surprise, the previous buyer put an additional UPS label inside the box which Newegg overlooked and didn't remove! . Mod Edit: Do not post your or other peoples personal information...

forums.tomshardware.com

 

[HaizRail007]

I can't prove this but I think amazon is doing the same. you remember gigabyte board I sent back. they just got it back yesterday. and before they got it back, the web page was saying the board was on back order until next month. but magically they have one in stock today.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZYNLVLM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[HaizRail007]

Update fellows, I was inspecting the memory modules today and I found the Batch numbers, I just happened to over look them do to them being so small. I had to get my magnifying glass out to read them off the memory pcb. Nevertheless, I have 2 sets of quad channel dimm's. and they both operate properly when paired togather as they should independent from one another. Moreover, I'll update this thread once I transplant the new motherboard and test all 8 dims in that board as well. In addition, single and triple channel memory modes work great so there was no problem there.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yes, but I have (Recently and often) seen quad sets of sticks that when used together would work fine in any kind of channel configuration, would pass Memtest with flying colors (The free version anyhow. The additional test routines on the paid version, not so much) but would fail in Prime95 (Various, Small FFT, Blend, custom configurations), Realbench, OCCT or some other stress utilities and even in Widows memory diagnostic utility in one or two cases, despite the fact that they otherwise seemed ok.

Shrug.

 

[HaizRail007]

Yes, but I have (Recently and often) seen quad sets of sticks that when used together would work fine in any kind of channel configuration, would pass Memtest with flying colors (The free version anyhow. The additional test routines on the paid version, not so much) but would fail in Prime95 (Various, Small FFT, Blend, custom configurations), Realbench, OCCT or some other stress utilities and even in Widows memory diagnostic utility in one or two cases, despite the fact that they otherwise seemed ok.

Shrug.

I noticed when reading over the manual for the new prime board it has light indicators for ram,cpu,vga, boot up, so if there's a issue the corresponding light will come on, I guess that's a good thing, but I feel more thoughts are more or less dummy lights, or in simpler terms the check engine light. I'm definitely going to be looking for a better program other than memtest, any recommendations on a good substitute to memtest. I got to looking last night hyper x memory and I can replace the 8 sticks with 2 sets of quad for 160, there 2666 mhz 4 X 16Gb, I find this okay, considering the cpu doesn't support anything past 2666 mhz anyway, or should I go with 2933 for a possible upgrade path, to the 10980ex. I could always update my media server out of the old parts, That is if some of the memory does pop up bad, at least I know the sicks are paired correctly now and I can identify which set will give a problem if one occurs.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I can replace the 8 sticks with 2 sets of quad for 160

That just puts you right back where you are now. The whole problem is that ALL sticks need to come in ONE kit, or else there are no guarantees that they are all going to "play nice" together.

The odd man out, (Or, mixed memory)


While memory modules that did not come together in a matched set that was tested by the manufacturer to be compatible, certainly CAN still work together, often it does not. Right up front I'll tell you that if you are trying to get sticks to work in the same machine together that were purchased separately, even if they are otherwise identical according to the kit or model number or if they would seem to have identical timings and voltage requirements, there is a very good chance that you simply will not be able to do that. There is also a pretty fair chance that you might be able to if you are willing to take your time, listen to and understand what you are being told and follow the steps necessary to determining if they will "play nice" or not.

The exception in most cases will be that if the memory from both sets are the same speed and timings and both kits are within the JEDEC specifications for the default speed on that platform, so for example, 2666mhz on the latest Intel Z390 platform, 2133mhz on Ryzen first and second Gen platforms, then they stand a much better chance of working together but if they are higher speed kits the chances begin to diminish from what they might be at the low speed and loose timings end of the scale.

A word of advice. If you just purchased this memory, and for whatever reason you bought two separate sticks of the same memory instead of buying them together in a matched set, see if you can return them for a refund or credit towards buying a similar or same set of matched sticks that come together in a kit. It is ALWAYS better to have matched modules because from brand to brand, or even within the same brand, in fact, even when the part numbers are IDENTICAL, there can be anything from simply slightly different memory chips that were sourced from different bins at the end or beginning of a production run to entirely different configurations altogether even though the model numbers seem to be the same. Some manufacturers even reuse model numbers when they discontinue a product. Point being, memory is only the same for sure when all sticks came out of the same blister pack or packaging and were sold as a tested kit.

In order to determine if differences in the memory, or a need for increased voltage when using more than one stick (Especially if you are running three or more sticks) are responsible for the problems you are having you will always want to begin your troubleshooting process by attempting to boot the machine with only a single stick of memory installed. Also, for practically every consumer motherboard that's been sold since at least as far back as about 2014, the A2 memory slot which is the second slot over from the CPU socket, is THE slot that is most commonly designated for the installation of a single memory module. Slots A2 and B2 are almost always the slots specified in the motherboard memory population rules for use with two modules. If you need to install a third module I have no opinion on which of the remaining slots to use for that, but typically since the A1 slot is right next to the CPU socket and often interferes with the CPU cooler or fan, I'd say the B1 slot was probably just as good.

Honestly, I don't ever recommend that you HAVE three modules installed anyhow. Using memory in pairs is almost always a better option, except on boards that support triple channel memory population, so that normal dual channel operation will occur. And that's another thing. When it comes to memory there are no "single channel" or "dual channel" memory modules. There are ONLY memory modules and the motherboard and CPU architecture will determine whether or not dual, triple or quad channel operation is possible based on the architecture and how many modules are in use. Occasionally though there are situations where it might make sense to run three modules and some boards CAN use three modules in a FLEX type mode where two of the modules will operate in dual channel while the third oddball module will run in single channel. I'd avoid oddball configurations though if possible because many motherboards will simply run ALL modules in single channel mode when an odd number of modules are installed.



If you think you will ever need 16GB of memory, then buy 16GB of memory from the start so you can get it all in a matched set that has been tested,
and eliminate a lot of problems right from the start.

How To - Troubleshooting problems with PC memory (RAM) and XMP profile configurations

In the beginning, there was......BIOS Before you go ANY further, go to the manufacturer product page for your specific motherboard model AND revision. Revision is an important aspect because for any given motherboard there may be more than one version of that model which will be identified...

forums.tomshardware.com

 

[HaizRail007]

I haven't bought anything

That just puts you right back where you are now. The whole problem is that ALL sticks need to come in ONE kit, or else there are no guarantees that they are all going to "play nice" together.

The odd man out, (Or, mixed memory)


While memory modules that did not come together in a matched set that was tested by the manufacturer to be compatible, certainly CAN still work together, often it does not. Right up front I'll tell you that if you are trying to get sticks to work in the same machine together that were purchased separately, even if they are otherwise identical according to the kit or model number or if they would seem to have identical timings and voltage requirements, there is a very good chance that you simply will not be able to do that. There is also a pretty fair chance that you might be able to if you are willing to take your time, listen to and understand what you are being told and follow the steps necessary to determining if they will "play nice" or not.

The exception in most cases will be that if the memory from both sets are the same speed and timings and both kits are within the JEDEC specifications for the default speed on that platform, so for example, 2666mhz on the latest Intel Z390 platform, 2133mhz on Ryzen first and second Gen platforms, then they stand a much better chance of working together but if they are higher speed kits the chances begin to diminish from what they might be at the low speed and loose timings end of the scale.

A word of advice. If you just purchased this memory, and for whatever reason you bought two separate sticks of the same memory instead of buying them together in a matched set, see if you can return them for a refund or credit towards buying a similar or same set of matched sticks that come together in a kit. It is ALWAYS better to have matched modules because from brand to brand, or even within the same brand, in fact, even when the part numbers are IDENTICAL, there can be anything from simply slightly different memory chips that were sourced from different bins at the end or beginning of a production run to entirely different configurations altogether even though the model numbers seem to be the same. Some manufacturers even reuse model numbers when they discontinue a product. Point being, memory is only the same for sure when all sticks came out of the same blister pack or packaging and were sold as a tested kit.

In order to determine if differences in the memory, or a need for increased voltage when using more than one stick (Especially if you are running three or more sticks) are responsible for the problems you are having you will always want to begin your troubleshooting process by attempting to boot the machine with only a single stick of memory installed. Also, for practically every consumer motherboard that's been sold since at least as far back as about 2014, the A2 memory slot which is the second slot over from the CPU socket, is THE slot that is most commonly designated for the installation of a single memory module. Slots A2 and B2 are almost always the slots specified in the motherboard memory population rules for use with two modules. If you need to install a third module I have no opinion on which of the remaining slots to use for that, but typically since the A1 slot is right next to the CPU socket and often interferes with the CPU cooler or fan, I'd say the B1 slot was probably just as good.

Honestly, I don't ever recommend that you HAVE three modules installed anyhow. Using memory in pairs is almost always a better option, except on boards that support triple channel memory population, so that normal dual channel operation will occur. And that's another thing. When it comes to memory there are no "single channel" or "dual channel" memory modules. There are ONLY memory modules and the motherboard and CPU architecture will determine whether or not dual, triple or quad channel operation is possible based on the architecture and how many modules are in use. Occasionally though there are situations where it might make sense to run three modules and some boards CAN use three modules in a FLEX type mode where two of the modules will operate in dual channel while the third oddball module will run in single channel. I'd avoid oddball configurations though if possible because many motherboards will simply run ALL modules in single channel mode when an odd number of modules are installed.



If you think you will ever need 16GB of memory, then buy 16GB of memory from the start so you can get it all in a matched set that has been tested,
and eliminate a lot of problems right from the start.

How To - Troubleshooting problems with PC memory (RAM) and XMP profile configurations

In the beginning, there was......BIOS Before you go ANY further, go to the manufacturer product page for your specific motherboard model AND revision. Revision is an important aspect because for any given motherboard there may be more than one version of that model which will be identified...

forums.tomshardware.com

I haven't bought anything, just looking at the moment, and yes I do understand about the memory, Single Configuration is one stick, dual configuration is 2 sticks, triple configuration is three sticks, quad configuration is 4 sticks. Now if you fill your primary slots and then fill the the first 2 slots of your secondary slots it'll recognize as triple channel configuration and if all 8 are in place it'll say quad channel.

What I find interesting, is that this prime board that 8 channel memory works in two quad sets, so it would stand to reason that you could run 2 separate Quad channels together as long as there batch numbers are paired together, but this is only a untested theory. Moreover, the only way it seems to buy a full 8 stick kit is no less than 64 Gb, which is around 600 bucks, Swings and round about's right. In addition, I've never used or worked on a Motherboard that had the lights for cpu,gpu,boot, memory and I'm assuming it will check these's aspects on boot up, and if there is a error it will light up the corresponding light. The motherboard manual is a little unclear, and will it throw a code in the led readout panel as well or will it only light up.

I do have some bad news, which is going to delay me getting my main rig up and running , I was inspecting my cpu water cooling setup and noticed that the cpu water block was warped, you could see a crack starting to form and you could see liquid, now it wasn't leaking, that could of been different when it heated up. I've never have seen a copper block do this before, but there's a first for everything. I could fix it, but that would require a anvil and a flat peace of metal and and a metal mallet, or I could heat it up and and then beat it straight with the said method. However that's a lot of work. When I can just buy a air cooler.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Channel operation has literally nothing, at all, to do with kit selection. If you buy two separate kits, you are almost certainly going to be in the same situation you are in now with some stick from one of the kits causing the whole thing to not want to work together correctly, or even one whole kit not wanting to work with the other one. I've seen it time and time again, ESPECIALLY on these quad channel platforms. So, you can do what you like, but I'm telling you it's a bad idea. Get an 8 DIMM kit if you want to run 8 DIMMs. Period.

 

[HaizRail007]

Channel operation has literally nothing, at all, to do with kit selection. If you buy two separate kits, you are almost certainly going to be in the same situation you are in now with some stick from one of the kits causing the whole thing to not want to work together correctly, or even one whole kit not wanting to work with the other one. I've seen it time and time again, ESPECIALLY on these quad channel platforms. So, you can do what you like, but I'm telling you it's a bad idea. Get an 8 DIMM kit if you want to run 8 DIMMs. Period.

The reason I bring it it up is because of this

PRIME X299 EDITION 30 and PRIME X299-A II DRAM QVL 2 2 0 8-DIMM

• 4 DIMM: Supports 4 modules inserted into both the A1, B1, C1, and D1 slots as one set of DIMMs operating in a quad-channel memory configuration
• 8 DIMM: Supports 8 modules inserted into all slots as two sets DIMMs operating in a quad-channel memory configuration

according to that statement on the qvl, if you was to buy 1 set of 64 gb or say two sets of 16Gb or etc, then it's still going to act as two sets. I'm not saying it wouldn't be better for me to buy a 64 Gb kit. I wondering if it's possible to run the same timing's, brand etc, that come in two packs instead of one pack as long as you matched the batch numbers for each pack, such as having a set of say batch 1 on the 4 primary and have batch 2 on secondary. or visa versa, as long as you don't say put batch one with batch 2. considering I'm already in this situation it's a good idea to test it, besides there's no harm in doing so. Now I'd be a fool to go out and buy two batches and not know the out come. and what I was looking for was a 32 Gb kit for all dimm slots. Grant you that this prime board will be the first board that I have read this on, so if it is possible then that would give me some flexibility.

 

[Darkbreeze]

No, that's not what it is saying. What it IS saying is that an 8 DIMM set FUNCTIONS as two sets of quad channel DIMMs, because it does not have an "8 channel" memory architecture. It does not mean that using two four DIMM kits is ok. And to clarify, there is nothing that says using two four DIMM kits can't work, it's just that, we've seen it NOT work, without problems, over and over again. And the motherboard manufacturer can spin their BS any way they want to, it changes nothing about the fact that EVERY SINGLE memory manufacturer will tell you the exact same thing, which is:

"ONLY memory that is purchased together in a single kit, is guaranteed to have DIMMs that are ALL compatible with each other".

That's it. You can argue about it until you are blue in the face. You can post whatever you like, little tid bits and such, but it doesn't change anything. It is, what it is. Yes, 8 DIMM kits are vastly more expensive. That's the breaks and it's what most people expect when they start dealing with the HEDT platforms. You simply cannot determine that any problems you are having aren't due to incompatibilities between DIMMs.

When you buy two sets of memory, there isn't even any way to know that both kits are even using the same components or are made the same. Even in the same production run they can swap out something if they run out, and make DIMMs from the beginning of the production run completely unlikely to work with DIMMs from the end of the production run. As seen here. Same part number. Three COMPLETELY DIFFERENT configurations.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/amd-ram-compatibility.3210050/#post-19785792

 

[HaizRail007]

Channel operation has literally nothing, at all, to do with kit selection. If you buy two separate kits, you are almost certainly going to be in the same situation you are in now with some stick from one of the kits causing the whole thing to not want to work together correctly, or even one whole kit not wanting to work with the other one. I've seen it time and time again, ESPECIALLY on these quad channel platforms. So, you can do what you like, but I'm telling you it's a bad idea. Get an 8 DIMM kit if you want to run 8 DIMMs. Period.

I found your article Informative, and just because I have a I.T background doesn't mean I can't learn something new.

 

[HaizRail007]

No, that's not what it is saying. What it IS saying is that an 8 DIMM set FUNCTIONS as two sets of quad channel DIMMs, because it does not have an "8 channel" memory architecture. It does not mean that using two four DIMM kits is ok. And to clarify, there is nothing that says using two four DIMM kits can't work, it's just that, we've seen it NOT work, without problems, over and over again. And the motherboard manufacturer can spin their BS any way they want to, it changes nothing about the fact that EVERY SINGLE memory manufacturer will tell you the exact same thing, which is:

"ONLY memory that is purchased together in a single kit, is guaranteed to have DIMMs that are ALL compatible with each other".

That's it. You can argue about it until you are blue in the face. You can post whatever you like, little tid bits and such, but it doesn't change anything. It is, what it is. Yes, 8 DIMM kits are vastly more expensive. That's the breaks and it's what most people expect when they start dealing with the HEDT platforms. You simply cannot determine that any problems you are having aren't due to incompatibilities between DIMMs.

When you buy two sets of memory, there isn't even any way to know that both kits are even using the same components or are made the same. Even in the same production run they can swap out something if they run out, and make DIMMs from the beginning of the production run completely unlikely to work with DIMMs from the end of the production run. As seen here. Same part number. Three COMPLETELY DIFFERENT configurations.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/amd-ram-compatibility.3210050/#post-19785792

I'm not arguing and I do agree with you, I'm actually glad you clarified the asus statement, because I wasn't sure and how it's wrote could be interpreted both ways. If you don't know something then ask, the only dumb question is the on that isn't asked. In addition, I was able to determine this much about the two pair's, each pair put in the primary configuration on the asrock board, functioned properly. tried it with single channel though quad channel, both pairs separate from one another. No blue screens or crashes, However I did turn off McE completely, turbo boost 3.0 was fine . I also, noticed that when they were paired correctly that the pc processing was faster. I done all this testing before I noticed the cpu water-block was warped. Now it comes down to this, i either have incompatible models or the asrock motherboard is bad. and the way to find this out is running the same tests with the asus motherboard.

 

[Darkbreeze]

You have a warped water block? You're not still using that right?

 

[HaizRail007]

I am using the word warped correctly,


definition

bent or twisted out of shape, typically as a result of the effects of heat or damp.
"warped wooden planks"