Hi,
This is my first post here.
I'm a fairly avid system builder, long time lurker of these forums and would have to say that this is the first issue I have had in years that hasn't be solved through a simple search of here, other forums or the entire internet for that matter.
I followed the guide posted in the stickies PERFORM THESE STEPS before posting about POST/boot/no video problems! and also How to ask for troubleshooting help V2
I have pretty much exhausted all options so all I have left now is to ask the question and provide you all with as much info as I can remember initially in a hope that one of you fellow PC builders may be able to assist me or possibly even solve the issue I have? and then fill in the gaps with any additional info you may require that I have forgotten?
I will do my best, so here goes.
Build DetailsClick to expand
Has exact details of components installed and links to the products
Additional notes: This has historical & contextual information relating to the build components
Computer Usage Experts will want to know this and will click the spoiler to know
Symtoms
Testing
Yes I actually did some testing of my own, please read this before replying
Summary This is for the n00bs and the people with a short attention span that struggle reading the details
If you have a question relating to the following, please go through my post and read the things you haven't bothered to read.
Any graphics cards with additional ATX power completely refused to display from the getgo, no entering into the BIOS, zip, nada, nothing! Resetting bios or pressing the back to bios button did absolutely nothing.
Again the computer would seem boot but with a black screen and would sequence through post (making the typical sounds like a normal boot sequence) and still produce no error beeps? Shutting down the PC and swapping the powered card out for a non-powered card, the PC would boot as per normal.
Possible Solutions?
These are thoughts based on theory....not fact; CPU firmware update relating to bios updating
Recommendations
The CPU works perfectly otherwise so would seem a waste to just throw it away, however if this is not a problem that can easily be solved I am happy to throw the thing back into his old MB and rebuild his old HP with the standard nVidia graphics card and sell it off really cheap! Say good ridins and put the small amount of cash towards getting my mate a new CPU.
On that note, what would peoples recommendations be for the best *value* LGA1155 CPU to suit the rig he's got?
Any further questions or recommendations?
Should I be posting this elsewhere to gain additional feedback? i.e. Other forums or different sections within this forum?
This is my first post here.
I'm a fairly avid system builder, long time lurker of these forums and would have to say that this is the first issue I have had in years that hasn't be solved through a simple search of here, other forums or the entire internet for that matter.
I followed the guide posted in the stickies PERFORM THESE STEPS before posting about POST/boot/no video problems! and also How to ask for troubleshooting help V2
I have pretty much exhausted all options so all I have left now is to ask the question and provide you all with as much info as I can remember initially in a hope that one of you fellow PC builders may be able to assist me or possibly even solve the issue I have? and then fill in the gaps with any additional info you may require that I have forgotten?
I will do my best, so here goes.
Build DetailsClick to expand
Has exact details of components installed and links to the products
The tower case is a The Antec® Nine Hundred II
Board is an Intel BCZ6810H.86A with bios number 0021 and has a board version of 0401 (in't not 0402) I will at a later date be upgrading later to 0028.
Note: I am aware of the issues that these boards are said to have but fingers crossed as most have not caused too many issues yet?
RAM consists of Corsair Vengeance® Pro Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 1600MHz C9 Code CMY16GX3M2A1600C9B
CPU is as mentioned is an Intel® Core™ i7-2600 8M Cache,3.80 GHz
Graphics (have tried various and will explain further) is hoped to be Gigabyte GV-R726XOC-2GD Radeon R7 260X GPU
PSU is an Antec EarthWatts 650W
Note I have tested a brand new CoolerMaster Thunder 700W
HDD I'll list these although they are irrelevant to the problem, OS Drive is an Intel 330 SSD, and various other drives all of various sizes and brands (not currently attached but worked with previous graphics card) if that is any help? I try to include extra info for anybodies judgement for any future foreseeable issues?
Board is an Intel BCZ6810H.86A with bios number 0021 and has a board version of 0401 (in't not 0402) I will at a later date be upgrading later to 0028.
Note: I am aware of the issues that these boards are said to have but fingers crossed as most have not caused too many issues yet?
RAM consists of Corsair Vengeance® Pro Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 1600MHz C9 Code CMY16GX3M2A1600C9B
CPU is as mentioned is an Intel® Core™ i7-2600 8M Cache,3.80 GHz
Graphics (have tried various and will explain further) is hoped to be Gigabyte GV-R726XOC-2GD Radeon R7 260X GPU
PSU is an Antec EarthWatts 650W
Note I have tested a brand new CoolerMaster Thunder 700W
HDD I'll list these although they are irrelevant to the problem, OS Drive is an Intel 330 SSD, and various other drives all of various sizes and brands (not currently attached but worked with previous graphics card) if that is any help? I try to include extra info for anybodies judgement for any future foreseeable issues?
The CPU is the only original part from my friend's older system which was a HP Pavilion P7-1010A, which I managed to convince him not to buy another PC like that again from an unnamed local retailer. He has since seen the light and understands and values the performance that can be gained from a custom system build for a fraction of the cost. Anyway moving along, related to this is the graphics card that came with this original PC was actually an Geforce GT440 X16 PCIe Video Card 657107-001 aka nVidia P1062 that looks similar to this
Basically the CPU is the only non-new item in this build, however there was nothing to suggest that this actually needed changing and was still good? CPUs are not a cheap item either so in a way we kind of built the rest of the rig around the CPU. In hindsight we possibly should have ditched the CPU and gone with something in the LGA1150 range instead of sticking with the 1155?
My personal experience having a iCore 1150 CPU and ASUS board compared to this setup is that it has been drama free and everything just works?? Anyway...
Basically the CPU is the only non-new item in this build, however there was nothing to suggest that this actually needed changing and was still good? CPUs are not a cheap item either so in a way we kind of built the rest of the rig around the CPU. In hindsight we possibly should have ditched the CPU and gone with something in the LGA1150 range instead of sticking with the 1155?
My personal experience having a iCore 1150 CPU and ASUS board compared to this setup is that it has been drama free and everything just works?? Anyway...
Typically used for photo processing (hence upgrading graphics is high on the agenda)
Home media in Hi-Def
Moderate Gaming - WoW, Dragon Age Inquisition, Farcry etc
Home media in Hi-Def
Moderate Gaming - WoW, Dragon Age Inquisition, Farcry etc
In the old rig using the crappy HP motherboard the same problem (topic title) persisted and possibly contributed a small amount to the reasons for doing this build.
Others factors contributed such as the HPs inability to utilise any good quality RAM and that the system clock settings could not be changed what so ever. It was locked down.
Now with the new system, we are still stuck with not being able to upgrade the graphics card?
Some newer nVidia cards work initially, but after a subsequent reboot and updating of the drivers they no longer work?
Others factors contributed such as the HPs inability to utilise any good quality RAM and that the system clock settings could not be changed what so ever. It was locked down.
Now with the new system, we are still stuck with not being able to upgrade the graphics card?
Some newer nVidia cards work initially, but after a subsequent reboot and updating of the drivers they no longer work?
Yes I actually did some testing of my own, please read this before replying
Ok so showing my testing and results may help explain better what I wrote above.
Below I've listed the cards that I have tried on the old and new setup with relatively similar results, which is leading me to think that this issue processor related, although I could be wrong if someone would care to enlighten me I will be your student and all ears!
Old HP MB same Intel iCore7-2600 CPU
Notes:
All cards with additional power to the graphics card had major issues upon initial boot and refused to function after drivers were updated. They would only display on the basic Windows display drivers before WinSat update etc. After completing the update to the correct driver version to match the card (all tested previously on my own PC) the colouration would turn pink and green and sometimes display large block like fragments and the PC would either BSOD or if the user rebooted at this point or by request from the nVidia update installation utility the screen went completely blank. The computer would boot and but not display anything to the screen and would post as normal with no error beeps? Shutting down the PC and swapping the powered card out for a non-powered card and the PC would boot again, drivers would need to be updated and the display would return to normal
New Intel MB same Intel iCore7-2600 CPU
Due to the fact that with the old MB the display did work to some degree before rebooting I figured this could have been an nVidia thing and so decided to try a brand new Radeon card but have the same results as any powered nVidia card.
Note I have not tried a non-powered Radeon card yet as I don't have one on hand but I would almost bet money that it would display at least in the bios or until I got into the OS and did a driver change/update from nVidia drivers
Below I've listed the cards that I have tried on the old and new setup with relatively similar results, which is leading me to think that this issue processor related, although I could be wrong if someone would care to enlighten me I will be your student and all ears!
Old HP MB same Intel iCore7-2600 CPU
XML:
Card Type Powered Initial result After reboot
Geforce GT440 X16 NVIDIA NO YES YES
Gigabyte GeForce 9500GT NVIDIA NO YES YES
ASUS GeForce GTS 250 NVIDIA YES YES NO
Gigabyte GV-N210SL NVIDIA NO YES YES
Geforce GTX295 NVIDIA YES YES NO
ASUS GTX760 NVIDIA YES YES NO
Notes:
All cards with additional power to the graphics card had major issues upon initial boot and refused to function after drivers were updated. They would only display on the basic Windows display drivers before WinSat update etc. After completing the update to the correct driver version to match the card (all tested previously on my own PC) the colouration would turn pink and green and sometimes display large block like fragments and the PC would either BSOD or if the user rebooted at this point or by request from the nVidia update installation utility the screen went completely blank. The computer would boot and but not display anything to the screen and would post as normal with no error beeps? Shutting down the PC and swapping the powered card out for a non-powered card and the PC would boot again, drivers would need to be updated and the display would return to normal
New Intel MB same Intel iCore7-2600 CPU
XML:
Card Type Powered Initial result After reboot
Geforce GT440 X16 NVIDIA NO YES YES
Gigabyte GeForce 9500GT NVIDIA NO YES YES
ASUS GeForce GTS 250 NVIDIA YES NO N/A
Gigabyte GV-N210SL NVIDIA NO YES YES
Geforce GTX295 NVIDIA YES NO N/A
ASUS GTX760 NVIDIA YES YES N/A
Gigabyte GV-R726XOC RADEON YES NO N/A
Due to the fact that with the old MB the display did work to some degree before rebooting I figured this could have been an nVidia thing and so decided to try a brand new Radeon card but have the same results as any powered nVidia card.
Note I have not tried a non-powered Radeon card yet as I don't have one on hand but I would almost bet money that it would display at least in the bios or until I got into the OS and did a driver change/update from nVidia drivers
If you have a question relating to the following, please go through my post and read the things you haven't bothered to read.
Any graphics cards with additional ATX power completely refused to display from the getgo, no entering into the BIOS, zip, nada, nothing! Resetting bios or pressing the back to bios button did absolutely nothing.
Again the computer would seem boot but with a black screen and would sequence through post (making the typical sounds like a normal boot sequence) and still produce no error beeps? Shutting down the PC and swapping the powered card out for a non-powered card, the PC would boot as per normal.
Possible Solutions?
These are thoughts based on theory....not fact; CPU firmware update relating to bios updating
Updating the bios to version 0028. I had read somewhere that the firmware on the CPU chip it's self could be at an older version that doesn't support advanced graphics and that updating the bios could possibly also update firmware version on the chip automatically?
Is this true? This is something that I am not all that clued up on and thought that if anything this would only relate to inbuilt graphics and not external graphics card? But also who would think that a graphics card with additional power cause these types of issues?
Is this true? This is something that I am not all that clued up on and thought that if anything this would only relate to inbuilt graphics and not external graphics card? But also who would think that a graphics card with additional power cause these types of issues?
The CPU works perfectly otherwise so would seem a waste to just throw it away, however if this is not a problem that can easily be solved I am happy to throw the thing back into his old MB and rebuild his old HP with the standard nVidia graphics card and sell it off really cheap! Say good ridins and put the small amount of cash towards getting my mate a new CPU.
On that note, what would peoples recommendations be for the best *value* LGA1155 CPU to suit the rig he's got?
Any further questions or recommendations?
Should I be posting this elsewhere to gain additional feedback? i.e. Other forums or different sections within this forum?