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[TheHerald]

How not agree, as you wrote Intel outperform AMD by a miserable 33%, but I rebate, why not 40%...
https://www.phoronix.com/benchmark/...test-results-result-composite-ici1ici1lb.svgz

And with 30% less power usage...
https://www.phoronix.com/benchmark/...arks/cpu-power-consumption-monitor-ptssm.svgz

Source : Phoronix

Sadly your graphs don't have the 13700k (if they did, oh boy), but it's okay, we can focus on the 13600k. According to this (got it from your link)

Not only is the 13600k beating it's competition at the time (R5 7600x), it's also beating CPUs that were released 6 months later for 50% more money. The 7800x 3d was released for 450$ - 6 months after the 13600kf, which had an msrp of 294$!!!! But yeah, Intel totally not blasting AMD in both performance and performance / $.

The intel hatred is too strong, not even facts can get in the way

This is a quote from the reviewer YOU linked, phoronix

At $319 USD, the Intel Core i5 13600K is a particularly strong offering with its 14-core / 20-thread configuration. The Core i5 13600K in heavily threaded tests was easily outperforming the 8-core / 15-thread Ryzen 7 7700X at $399 in many benchmarks.

 

[helper800]

I did compare similar products. The i5 13600k, on the 20th of October of 2022 that the reviews were conducted, was competing to the r5 7600x that was released 2 weeks earlier. No? Reviewers themselves agree with me, ive already quoted a number of the

Why are those two products being compared? Why was the 13600k not compared against any other Ryzen CPU? What does it mean for two products to be competing with each other? Just because you agree with reviewers on the comparisons made does not mean you are correct to make such comparisons, appeal to authority is a fallacy for a reason. Why not compare the 7600X to the 13900K? Because that is a dumb comparison on so many levels. Its the same kind of comparison with the 7600X and the 13600K. These are not the same product in kind. If you cannot understand that perspective, then you cannot be reasoned with.

 

[TheHerald]

Why are those two products being compared?

Because if I had a budget of ~300$ in October of 2022 those were my 2 options.

 

[helper800]

Sadly your graphs don't have the 13700k (if they did, oh boy), but it's okay, we can focus on the 13600k. According to this (got it from your link)

Not only is the 13600k beating it's competition at the time (R5 7600x), it's also beating CPUs that were released 6 months later for 50% more money. The 7800x 3d was released for 450$ - 6 months after the 13600kf, which had an msrp of 294$!!!! But yeah, Intel totally not blasting AMD in both performance and performance / $.

The intel hatred is too strong, not even facts can get in the way

This is a quote from the reviewer YOU linked, phoronix

At $319 USD, the Intel Core i5 13600K is a particularly strong offering with its 14-core / 20-thread configuration. The Core i5 13600K in heavily threaded tests was easily outperforming the 8-core / 15-thread Ryzen 7 7700X at $399 in many benchmarks.

It's oddly convenient that you cut off the top of that chart explaining what is being compared. The 7800X3D is not a general computing chip, its meant specifically for gaming, where I might add destroys every Intel CPU by a lot. Not saying that you cannot compare it in these generalized task, just that obfuscating what is being compared is disingenuous and misleading...

 

[TheHerald]

It's oddly convenient that you cut off the top of that chart explaining what is being compared. The 7800X3D is not a general computing chip, its meant specifically for gaming, where I might add destroys every Intel CPU by a lot. Not saying that you cannot compare it in these generalized task, just that obfuscating what is being compared is disingenuous and misleading...

It's the geometric mean of all tests. So everything phoronix tested.

I always found that argument silly. The 7800x 3d isn't a general computing chip - cause it sucks at that. Someone could argue "the i7 7700k wasn't a computing chip but a gaming one" well yeah, but the only reason it was a "gaming" one is because it sucked in everything but games. That's just an excuse to cover a bad products shortcomings.

Saying it destroys everything in games is even sillier. Computerbasede has it 6% faster at 720p with a 4090 over a 14700k. 720p - 4090 - 6%. If that's "destroyed" then what does the 14700k do to the 7800x 3d in MT tasks when the difference is approaching 100%?

As I've said, it's hard to fight the consensus. AMD leads by 5%, "it destroys Intel". Intel leads by 100% "who cares". Okay man, whatever

 

[helper800]

Because if I had a budget of ~300$ in October of 2022 those were my 2 options.

When you have your budget is a nonsensical argument to make as the basis to compare two different chips on idea that they are similar chips in kind. They are the options for the price, but that does not mean they are products of the same kind. There are also more options then just these two chips. If you were to add in the 5900X/T or the 12700K both new chips are worse in many categories of performance for the budget of ~300$.

 

[TheHerald]

When you have your budget is a nonsensical argument to make as the basis to compare two different chips on idea that they are similar chips in kind. They are the options for the price, but that does not mean they are products of the same kind. There are also more options then just these two chips. If you were to add in the 5900X/T or the 12700K both new chips are worse in many categories of performance for the budget of ~300$.

No, not really, both the 5900x and the 12700k were actually worse than the 13600k in both ST and MT performance.

 

[helper800]

It's the geometric mean of all tests. So everything phoronix tested.

I always found that argument silly. The 7800x 3d isn't a general computing chip - cause it sucks at that. Someone could argue "the i7 7700k wasn't a computing chip but a gaming one" well yeah, but the only reason it was a "gaming" one is because it sucked in everything but games. That's just an excuse to cover a bad products shortcomings.

Saying it destroys everything in games is even sillier. Computerbasede has it 6% faster at 720p with a 4090 over a 14700k. 720p - 4090 - 6%. If that's "destroyed" then what does the 14700k do to the 7800x 3d in MT tasks when the difference is approaching 100%?

As I've said, it's hard to fight the consensus. AMD leads by 5%, "it destroys Intel". Intel leads by 100% "who cares". Okay man, whatever

That is because what the relent performance that is being talked about is just as important as the what its doing. If you look at 1080p performance metrics, you know, the resolution 85% of people game at, the difference is double that at 720p. Doing benchmarks at 720p is also misleading, and the reason why almost no reviews do it.

 

[helper800]

No, not really, both the 5900x and the 12700k were actually worse than the 13600k in both ST and MT performance.

Are those the categories' of performance I stated they were worse in?

 

[TheHerald]

That is because what the relent performance that is being talked about is just as important as the what its doing. If you look at 1080p performance metrics, you know, the resolution 85% of people game at, the difference is double that at 720p. Doing benchmarks at 720p is also misleading, and the reason why almost no reviews do it.

What? You just made that up. As you go up in resolutions the difference between cpus shrinks, that's why tests are being done at 720p. According to Techpowerup, at 1080p the 7800x 3d is 7% faster than the 14700k. So again, that's "destroying" because it's just an AMD product. Meanwhile the 14700k leads by close to 100% in MT tasks, but yeah, let's focus on the single digits 😍

 

[TheHerald]

Are those the categories' of performance I stated they were worse in?

There is no category of performance that those 2 are faster than the 13600k.

 

[COLGeek]

Bringing this now circular discussion to a close. Thanks to all for the dynamic discourse.