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[TheHerald]

No, my position is that you shouldn't compare product competing in different market segments. Nobody who's considering the purchase of a R9 7950X is weighing it against a i9-14900T. The alternative they would be considering is an i9-14900K.

I've said this like a dozen times, so far. If you continue to mischaracterize my position, I will have to conclude that you're trolling.

In the same train of thought, nobody who was happy with the 7700x mt performance would be buying the equally priced 13700k and run it at 300 watts. They would instead run it at the same watts as the 7700x and be even happier.

If you are satisfied with the 7700x mt performance then you can't possibly argue that the 13700k is inefficient since it matches that at lower power.

How is computer base showing the 7900x in a favorable light? It's pricing put it against the 13900k, the latter significantly beats it almost in the entire perf / watt curve.

What intel does is, they offer their i7 for the same price as amds r7, but clocks them very high and it manages to beat / compete in performance with the their competitors higher tier cpu. The same applies to all of their cpus, i5 is priced same an r5 but competes with the much more expensive r7. Obviously that comes at the cost of power draw, but you fix that by adjusting the power limits.

Then what reviewers do is, they compare Intel's i7 to amds r9 in efficiency, completely ignoring that they are in completely different price segments.

 

[TheHerald]

You've done this before. You are not willing to compare like for like. T models and K models, the cheaper and inferior AMD CPU to a more expensive Intel just because of AMD's naming convention. And pretending it's even.

You aren't comparing technology, not in good faith.

Ive been using the same methods for the last 10 years, even when intel was losing. I never argued that Intel's 10th gen is more efficient than amds zen 3. Yet at the time, the 10850k was indeed the same price as the 5600x.

In my mind 2 cpus launched with the same name and the same price at the same time are competitors.

 

[bit_user]

In my mind 2 cpus launched with the same name

The naming is largely a coincidence, IMO. I never connected the two.

and the same price at the same time are competitors.

They didn't launch at the same time. There were a couple months in between, during which Zen 4 had the market to itself.

Current pricing more accurately reflects the competitive landscape.

 

[TheHerald]

The naming is largely a coincidence, IMO. I never connected the two.


They didn't launch at the same time. There were a couple months in between, during which Zen 4 had the market to itself.

Current pricing more accurately reflects the competitive landscape.

Zen 4 and 13th gen launched within 20 days of one another.

Anyways, I think that 2 cpus released at the same price with the same name at the same time are competitors. You disagree. It's okay, we don't need to agree on everything.