Intel Now Shipping Dual-Core Atom 330 Processors

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more people out there dont know how to use linux! all us on here maybe but that speaks for the mere like 1% but i know what your saying.

2gb and vista basic with this dual core might JUST run (it will run, but performance wise for every day use...)

this could be an interesting piece of hardware
 
I personally think it makes them look bad in some ways. Think how recent it was that a dual core processor approaching 2.0ghz was a pretty good chip. As a matter of fact thats still a pretty good chip.

I realize that the architecture is probably different and these aren't C2Ds or Athlons...and I suppose the thermal loss may be exponential for faster chips...the small die of the atom may just be due to the reduced cache size...all that and whatever.

But still, they have a dual core 1.6 with 1mb of L2 in a die package this small that runs on 8W!! The greatest and fastest processors of the day are huge compared to these and suck tons of power, and yet the performance gains scale in much smaller proportions (even if you consider architecture and not just numbers).

I think it just blatantly points out how much more work can and should be done on todays top end chips to shrink them and reduce their power needs, which in a way is a really good thing.
 
[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]more people out there dont know how to use linux! all us on here maybe but that speaks for the mere like 1% but i know what your saying.[/citation]Have you ever seen the iPhone-like UI of the EEE PC Linux (Xandros)? All the Linux nettops are likely to come with a version of Linux that is intuitive and works out of the box, no terminal voodoo involved. :)
 
I agree with WheelsOfConfusion, the chipset that these are on is absolutely TERRIBLE. Sure, the processor has a low thermal envelope, but the chipset is extremely wasteful on heat and power.
 
Offerings such as VIA Nano?!

When I am able to go to Newegg and buy a Nano L2100 @ 1.8GHz and pair it with a suitable motherboard, then it's competing. Currently it seems they just have integrated 1-1.5GHz versions that are fixed to the motherboard itself. The motherboards are also much more expensive than their Intel/AMD/NVidia counterparts while offering less capabilities. Until you can buy what they advertise on their site, and buy them separate from each other, I don't think it's going to be a big threat to either Intel or AMD. Conceptually I'm all for the Nano, but it seems like mostly vaporware.

Maybe it's the digital-signage market eating them all up faster than VIA can make them.
 
martel80 good point there but what i mean is like they want to download there applications and itunes and whatever bs and it wont run etc, thats what everyone wants.

lol 8w cpu 20+ w chipset yey, what do you expect from a netburst era chipset
 
[citation][nom]martin0642[/nom]Offerings such as VIA Nano?!When I am able to go to Newegg and buy a Nano L2100 @ 1.8GHz and pair it with a suitable motherboard, then it's competing. Currently it seems they just have integrated 1-1.5GHz versions that are fixed to the motherboard itself.[/citation]
You do realize that the Atom is also BGA (soldered instead of using pins) and not socketed? In netbooks, handhelds, and MIDs, a socketed processor doesn't make sense yet. Even in super low-cost desktops or "nettops," the processors are likely to be soldered directly in place for cost reasons.
That's what both the Atom and the Nano are aimed at right now. Unless somebody has information on a socketed version of the Atom that I've missed.
 
I've had one of these for a couple of weeks 945GCLF2.
Major points below (there are lots of minor points like aesthetics, what need for 4-pin CPU power header on an 8 watt TDP = 0.66A) ...

CPU
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* It's dual core AND hyperthreading (switchable in the BIOS). That's 4 virtual cores. Lovely!
* Runs at 36C vs 21C ambient. Warm for a low-power rig. Culprit is the passive heatsink - the design is hopeless. A passive heatsink needs lots of airways (think, pins or fingers). This one is out of the ark and depends heavily on the N/B fan for a blast of air over the basic, very basic, fins. The position of the CPU cooler doen't even make good use of this dependancey - a good 40% of it misses the N/B airflow.
* If the N/B cooler fails ...

Chipset
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* Southbridge runs warm - 1st time ever I've seen that on a working Intel board. I had to use MOSFET heatsinks to cool it.
* Northbridge heatsink is wobbly. According to Intel tech docs this is deliberate (!) as it prevents shock damage to the N/B chip during shipping/transit.
* RAM bandwidth is awful. I have a 4-year old S478 875P PC3200 dual-channel m/b that stomps all over this board.

Graphics
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* Work. Will play benchmarks as well as some older graphics cards
* Better Vista score than my older cards (FX5500 etc)

Overall
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Solid, dependable but a great CPU is throttled by a poor chipset / RAM implementation. Really cheap tho'

Plan
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Will fit a low-profile PCI graphics card (128mb ATI 9200) for retro gaming test.
Fit into an old Flex-ATX desktop. Will also make a custom-fit to see how warm it runs when fully cased.
 
uhhh ray,

1) all psu's have that 4 pin connector with dedicated rails, why not use it?
2) intel certifies most of its mobile chipsets to run at upto 100ºc, that 36ºc is nothing, and passive SUPPOSED TO BE HOT but stable! run a burn in test - still works? duh cause its designed like that to run and operate like that!
3) Southbridges on all the newer boards run hot - there also supposed to run like that etc - iv seen some ASUS P5KPL-CM boards run at 60ºc+ on the SB - no big deal.
4) Northbridge - look under it, its a (less then) 1cm square die containing the MCH etc and yes they want it to flex rather then break
5) DDR-400 actualy benchmarks better then DDR2-533, and that cpu actually runs that memory at or most likely 533mhz, vs your old rig (equal to a low latency 800mhz etc or 2x400) on an ultra efficent cpu, ofcourse its going to bench lower

what do you expect from it? ITS NOT A DESKTOP DESIGN
 
Best remove the "solid, dependable" from my earlier list.
The Northbridge heatsink fan has failed ... after just two weeks of light use (on my HSPC testbench, pics here http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/Ray_GTI-R/PC/HSPC/).
After some research this is a known issue with the board. Intel are reputedly not offering a replacement (tuppny) fan, rather requiring the whole board be returned to the dealer for replacement. Presumably, that's because of the deliberately wobbly N/B heatsink fixing that could damage the N/B chip if any attempt is made to replace the tuppny fan in situ. Hmmm ...
So I'll be fitting a Papst then!
Ray.
 
... yes they want it to flex rather then break
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Yeah, right! So why have Intel and most others' passive & active N/B heatsinks in desktop* boards for the past 6 years been rigidly fixed?
FWIW 36ºc appears to ref the CPU not the chipset. (DUH!)
... 800mhz etc or 2x400
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Do you mean 200mhz FSB quad bumped (4 x 200mhz = 800mhz) whereas DDR2 is not quad bumped, just marketing hype to fool people into thinking DDR2 is somehow inherently faster than old-fashioned DDR? Answer - it seems to have worked in at least one instance.
... passive SUPPOSED TO BE HOT ... Southbridges on all the newer boards run hot - the[y are] supposed to run like that ...
Click to expand...
ROTFLMAO - maybe I should fit a hairdryer inside my rig! That kind of "news" would put all the watercooling companies out of business, uhh?
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... ITS NOT A DESKTOP DESIGN
Click to expand...
See http://www.intel.com/Assets/Image/prodlarge/D945GCLF2.jpg
Specifically, have a peep at the text inside The Red Ellipse kindly added in http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/Ray_GTI-R/?action=view&current=box1.jpg for those visually challenged amongst us by someone who appears to know what they are talking about.

LUV & LOL

1jupiterway
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"It's better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove it." So, if I have done so, please excuse my mere mortal condition AKA "Welcome to the human race."
 
Papst fan is still doing the job nicely after 11 day @ 24 hrs solid =/= 4 weks light use 🙂
Southbridge (MOSFET) heatsinks are doing the job very well i.e., cool.
Working links are now here;-
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/Ray_GTI-R/PC/D945GCLF2/box1.jpg
and
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/Ray_GTI-R/PC/D945GCLF2/DSCN3746.jpg
(Links Checked OK)

I wonder where apache_lives gets that info?

LUV & LOL

1jupiterway
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"It's better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove it." So, if I have done so, please excuse my mere mortal condition AKA "Welcome to the human race."
 
2009 and the Papst fan is still OK.
Just for fun I re-connected the original fan to the chassis fan header(not fixed to the N/B heatsink) and ... it's OK. ??? After 4 days it's still OK.
Can anyone explain how a fan can apparently fix itself sitting idle on a flat surface for a couple of weeks?
 
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