Intel or AMD?

[priit]

TnT2 Ultra should be about as fast as Geforce2MX 200 (the one with 64bit memory interface). It's quite a bit slower than regular MX (with 128bit SDRAM 166/175Mhz core/mem). Gefore256/2/3 with DDR memory are all WAY (times) faster than TnT2 Ultra on higher resolutions.

You probably have PC-100 SDRAM DIMM's, BX chipset doesn't support SIMM's and there ain't such thing as PC-100 SIMM...

 

[killall]

i would seriously advise against asking a question... intel vs amd here... 1.4 athlon... sis 735 chipset and 512 megs of pc2100 ddr sdram...... asus geforce 3... sound blaster live platinum 5.1... that should be fairly nice...

you do not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong

 

[Kalzone]

For now I'd go with a Athlon 1.4 setup if you plan on getting it within the month. You can get a CPU and memory for less than the price of a P4 CPU, and the Rambus memory is even more to boot. The P4 would have to be incredibly faster than the AMD for that kind of price difference to be worthwhile.

The other argument is waiting for the Northwood/Athlon 4 releases. Hell, you could still be sitting there with a 286-12 "because you're waiting for that next newest system to come out". Remember, once a new design/system is released it will be pricey. Better have those $ saved up if you want to get the primo stuff hot off the press!

 

[MeldarthX]

actually it is. With the gpu unit releaving the cpu of some of the lighting and transforming cal, it helps slower cpus able to carry the load of heavier graphiced games of today.

That is why I suggested the geforceMX400 and up......200 is a little faster than the tnt2 u.

Also it would help to know what your mb was? If it is the BX then the person was right in pointing out that it was dimms not simms.......

MeldarthX

 

[Guest]

Gateway told me today that I have:
"128MB 100Mhz 64Bit 4-clock CL=2 SDRAM UNBUFFERED DIMM memory installed in GA GP6-400 computer."

Any suggestions for upgrading? Should I purchase 2 more identical 128 sticks or is there another option? Maybe 2 256 133mhz DIMMS?

"Like sausage and law, one should never watch software being made."

 

[kaz]

Buy 1-256Mb stick of pc-133and mix with your pc100 stick. If you are running W98 it won't use over 512Mb. PC-133 for future upgrade possibilities even though it will only run at pc-100.

 

[kaz]

Buy 1-256Mb stick of pc-133and mix with your pc100 stick. If you are running W98 it won't use over 512Mb. PC-133 for future upgrade possibilities even though it will only run at pc-100.
Crucial is a good place to buy.

 

[Guest]

Thanks, actually I found another 128MB PC100 stick in an old computer I was trying to upgrade, I popped that in there and so now have 256MB with 1 slot left.

So, I can have those two 128MB PC100 DIMMS and I could buy one 256MB PC133 DIMM to bring it up to an even 512MB? No compatibility problems with that? I thought I heard that all your memory should be the same, does that apply to the speed too? (PC100 & PC133 mix) Should I stick to the PC100 for the 256MB DIMM? (I'll be building a new computer when the new CPU's come out, not looking to reuse any of this memory since I'll be switching to the new stuff)

Thanks.

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[Kelledin]

Well, for starters, a 256MB stick will probably have to be registered, and it's usually impossible to mix registered and unregistered DIMMs.

Kelledin

"/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."

 

[Guest]

Crapola, so I should stick to three 128MB PC100 DIMMS then?

I'm sure 384MB is enough for this computer anyhow; I just want to use it for gaming through summer/fall then it will become my NT/Linux server after I build my new computer.

"Like sausage and law, one should never watch software being made."

 

[Kelledin]

Ja, probably so.

On the bright side, you might not even need more than 256MB. If you're running Win98/ME, chances are 256MB is enough. If you're running Win2K, you can check your memory usage using the Performance tab of the Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del, Task Manager, Performance).

Kelledin

"/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."

 

[kaz]

I have/had been running 128Mb pc100 and 256Mb pc133 with no probs. I know many who have mixed and have had no issues.

 

[Kelledin]

Registered <i>and</i> unregistered memory?

Kelledin

"/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."

 

[Guest]

Cool, I'll stick to just getting 1 more 128 DIMM, shoot they're only $22. The game I'm interested in playing, WWII Online, is a RAM hog and 384 will put me where players have said they've seen the best improvement.

Thank you ALL for the advice. I'll let this thread die now. I'll be sticking around the forums though, this is a great website.

-Calibis

"Like sausage and law, one should never watch software being made."

 

[kaz]

No. you said that a 256Mb chip would probably be registerd so he might not be able to mix. I meant that you could mix 128 pc100 and 256 pc133. I'm not sure what you meant when you said he might have problems because the 256 pc133 he mentioned buying would probably be registered. Why would it be registered??? confused .. more than normal..

 

[Kelledin]

Well...BX boards typically require that anything above 128MB be registered--I think it's just an obscure (and minor) limitation of the chipset. 128MB unregistered DIMMs are typically fine though. You could try putting 256MB unregistered DIMMs on a BX board, but I wouldn't guarantee your system stability. I've seen many BX boards blue-screen or kernel-panic constantly if you don't stick to this requirement.

Kelledin

"/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."

 

[MeldarthX]

as someone else pointed out, though wrongly about win98 it can see over 512 megs of ram, actually it can see up to 4 gigs, but it can only allocate 196 megs of ram at a time. Dropping in a stick of 256 pc133 would not hurt your system at all.....

Updating your video will give you a big boost and you can also always drop your new video into your new system.....

MeldarthX

 

[DurocShark]

I wouldn't worry about the ultra too much unless you bump up the CPU quite a bit.

Your big difference will be seen in memory first, CPU second, and vid card third.

I just picked up a 256 meg stick of Corsair (lifetime) PC100 from Fry's for $60. My machine is now 320megs instead of 128 megs (found one of my 64m sticks was dead and didn't figger it out until I did the slot shuffle. Funny... My dead Seagate hard drive works now. It was throwing bad sectors before the memory swap, and now it's fine! Sheesh.) and I see a huge difference in my old celery 266/400 system with a no-name BX motherboard. And I'm running the same v770 Ultra board you have.

If you don't want to build a whole new system yet, upgrade your memory and see. If that's not enough, try for a 600mhz PIII. Then try the vid card.

Of course by the time you spend that much money, you may as well have bought your new machine. But at least you'll have a nice second machine. heehee

 

[Guest]

If you do break down and buy a new system for a fantastic price/performance ratio get this system. I've built 3 and have 2 more in the works for friends and family. They are quite fast, 4000 3dMarks in 2001 at default.
Let me know what you guys think...

AMD 1.2 w/ 266 bus ~$100
EPOX EP-8K7A DDR Motherboard ~$130
256 MB PC2100 DDR (Crucial or Micron worked for me) <$60
SB Live Value <$50
MSI StarForce 820 Geforce 2 Pro for <$120 (NewEgg.com)
WD400BB Superfast ATA Hardrive <$130
Enlight 7237 Case <$60
Total for Core system:
$650
Add mouse, keyboard, monitor, and NIC/Modem of choice.

They are real fast gaming systems and sub $1000 dollars.
You can get most of these parts at these prices at Newegg.com.

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
-Einstein

 

[Guest]

SO????? Will A7V support Athlon4? And what is the last Athlon B(200fsb) gonna be? 1.6Ghz? 2.0Ghz??? or 1.4Ghz is already the last AthlonB?

 

[Guest]

Yes, A7V will support the Athlon 4 aka Palomino.

The last Atlon B was the 1.3Ghz. Most of those 200Mhz boards only supported a 12.5x Multiplier. I doubt if they'll come out with a faster Athlon B.

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
-Einstein

 

[Guest]

Little wrong here..1.4Ghz 200fsb is the latest Athlon B yet. If 266fsc tbird works on 200fsb mobo that means i can get even 2Ghz tbird 266fsb on my A7V (if they will have 2Ghz one)?? The latest update fro A7V is 1008 BETA, but you can't find anywhere at all, it is kind of not out yet, i got SPEIALLY from asus tech. support, the only thing I'm afraid is that it is BETA...

 

[Guest]

Thanks MeldarthX, I bought that 3rd 128 PC100 DIMM for my p2-400, now have 384mb RAM and I also took your advice and bought/installed a Gainward Geforce2 MX-400 w/ 64mb VRAM. WOW, big difference. I can now play Anarchy-Online and WW2Online smooth as butter on my p2-400. Very nice....u da man. Will make a nice nt/linux server after I build the new one later this year.

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