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The Atom isn't a bad CPU. What's crap is when Intel pairs it with the PowerVR graphics like the D2700 is. The graphics drivers are horrible.
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[citation][nom]waethorn[/nom]It'd be nice, but Ivy Bridge is still too large of a package to scale down in power consumption.[/citation]
They could scale it down, a stripped down version of ivy bridge with no l3 cache a 1.6ghz dual core with no hyperthreading or a 1.8ghz single core with hyperthreading and a GMA2500 gpu with lower clock speads could cut the TDP rating to Atom like power at the same time have 2 to 3x the perfomance of the Atom it will replace. So it's doable for sure, but intel doesn't see that big of a market for ultra portable cpu's to do that. If netbooks were highly popular still like they were when they first came out intel would have the latest and greatest ultraportable cpu on the market, but since it's not popular like it once was intel doesn't see a need to spend time and effort on something that's not going to give them a lot of revenue like in other markets.
They could scale it down, a stripped down version of ivy bridge with no l3 cache a 1.6ghz dual core with no hyperthreading or a 1.8ghz single core with hyperthreading and a GMA2500 gpu with lower clock speads could cut the TDP rating to Atom like power at the same time have 2 to 3x the perfomance of the Atom it will replace. So it's doable for sure, but intel doesn't see that big of a market for ultra portable cpu's to do that. If netbooks were highly popular still like they were when they first came out intel would have the latest and greatest ultraportable cpu on the market, but since it's not popular like it once was intel doesn't see a need to spend time and effort on something that's not going to give them a lot of revenue like in other markets.
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[citation][nom]SteelCity1981[/nom]They could scale it down, a stripped down version of ivy bridge with no l3 cache a 1.6ghz dual core with no hyperthreading or a 1.8ghz single core with hyperthreading and a GMA2500 gpu with lower clock speads could cut the TDP rating to Atom like power at the same time have 2 to 3x the perfomance of the Atom it will replace. So it's doable for sure, but intel doesn't see that big of a market for ultra portable cpu's to do that. If netbooks were highly popular still like they were when they first came out intel would have the latest and greatest ultraportable cpu on the market, but since it's not popular like it once was intel doesn't see a need to spend time and effort on something that's not going to give them a lot of revenue like in other markets.[/citation]
If Intel made supreme netbooks, then the netbook market would have decent competitors with both AMD and Intel netbooks that don't suck. Give them an SSD cached HDD to give them some serious storage performance without sacrificing HDD capacity and they're good to go. Or, fit a small SSD onto the motherboard in a miniSATA port to cache a regular hard drive.
Demand for products often goes up when the products don't suck, so the netbook market could get a minor revival.
If Intel made supreme netbooks, then the netbook market would have decent competitors with both AMD and Intel netbooks that don't suck. Give them an SSD cached HDD to give them some serious storage performance without sacrificing HDD capacity and they're good to go. Or, fit a small SSD onto the motherboard in a miniSATA port to cache a regular hard drive.
Demand for products often goes up when the products don't suck, so the netbook market could get a minor revival.
waethorn, you are talking about mobile parts. Ivy graphics are actually better than Llano in the mobile arena (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000-Benchmarked.73567.0.html). I have no idea what you are talking about with the rest of the post. We know the Atoms were old technology. It was made to be produced cheap and have low power. You don't see a problem with 4 hours of battery life, but that isn't a full days worth of usage so while Brazos is nice, it is not an all day solution.
Microsoft embraced ARM because of Intel? Really? Microsoft embraced ARM because ARM is ruling the roost on mobile platforms such as tablets and phones. MS wants to be a player in those markets. That is why they hitched a ride to ARM. It is a very emerging market. Heck, if you read articles on here, MS is supposedly even more tightly tied to Intel now in an effort to take market share away from Apple. According to you though, MS is ditching Intel because of the $799 to $1000 laptop market??? I'm not real sure about the logic there. Whether it is a $500 laptop or a $1000 laptop, it will likely be running Windows so why would MS care? There will still be $500 laptops sold with Intel Inside much as there will be $1000 ultrabooks. Also, I believe Intel is still branding platforms so I have no clue where you are going with that. NUC, Knights Corner, their phone branding, etc. Centrino is a thing of the past for the most part but damn near everything inside is Intel now.
Aren't innovating? Holy crap man. Uh, Light Peak, IvyBridge (who else is doing FinFET & 22nm), Knights Corner (not just a stream processor but can actually run an OS), etc. If you want to talk about server parts, they have certainly been very innovative on that side of things. Not really sure what to say on the not innovating part. It seems that is all they have been doing lately. x86 is their bread and butter so of course they are going to stick with that. iA64 did not take off. Maybe one day it will as the x86 runs out of room to grow. We'll see.
Microsoft embraced ARM because of Intel? Really? Microsoft embraced ARM because ARM is ruling the roost on mobile platforms such as tablets and phones. MS wants to be a player in those markets. That is why they hitched a ride to ARM. It is a very emerging market. Heck, if you read articles on here, MS is supposedly even more tightly tied to Intel now in an effort to take market share away from Apple. According to you though, MS is ditching Intel because of the $799 to $1000 laptop market??? I'm not real sure about the logic there. Whether it is a $500 laptop or a $1000 laptop, it will likely be running Windows so why would MS care? There will still be $500 laptops sold with Intel Inside much as there will be $1000 ultrabooks. Also, I believe Intel is still branding platforms so I have no clue where you are going with that. NUC, Knights Corner, their phone branding, etc. Centrino is a thing of the past for the most part but damn near everything inside is Intel now.
Aren't innovating? Holy crap man. Uh, Light Peak, IvyBridge (who else is doing FinFET & 22nm), Knights Corner (not just a stream processor but can actually run an OS), etc. If you want to talk about server parts, they have certainly been very innovative on that side of things. Not really sure what to say on the not innovating part. It seems that is all they have been doing lately. x86 is their bread and butter so of course they are going to stick with that. iA64 did not take off. Maybe one day it will as the x86 runs out of room to grow. We'll see.
Atom spans more markets than just Netbooks. I think many of you are forgetting this. They are in many niche markets that span from ATM machines, HTPCs, NASes, Car PCs, etc... For custom, low-power projects, the Intel Atom is a very affordable option.
Lately Brazos has been a better option for people that need more modern interfaces and a better IGP. Although, for raw CPU power the D2700 is king in this market segment. Brazos 2.0 chips may retake the crown very soon. In any case, the Atom processors have had a significant impact on many more devices than just netbooks.
Lately Brazos has been a better option for people that need more modern interfaces and a better IGP. Although, for raw CPU power the D2700 is king in this market segment. Brazos 2.0 chips may retake the crown very soon. In any case, the Atom processors have had a significant impact on many more devices than just netbooks.
how come nobody mentioned that this processor had some problems that prevented it from functioning in x64bit Windows? i.e. it was launched as x64 capable, but later, Intel pulled all x64 drivers from their site. I think this is the real reason for culling this sku.
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[citation][nom]Bricktop[/nom]Atom spans more markets than just Netbooks. I think many of you are forgetting this. They are in many niche markets that span from ATM machines, HTPCs, NASes, Car PCs, etc... For custom, low-power projects, the Intel Atom is a very affordable option. Lately Brazos has been a better option for people that need more modern interfaces and a better IGP. Although, for raw CPU power the D2700 is king in this market segment. Brazos 2.0 chips may retake the crown very soon. In any case, the Atom processors have had a significant impact on many more devices than just netbooks.[/citation]
But that's the thing the Atom has become nothing more then a bottom basement cpu for intel to do nothing more then basic computing task. i mean when you are putting the same Atom cpu's into an ATM machine into a netbook that just goes to show you right there intels lack of motivation to make the atom a true contender and something more worthly then what it is now to the pc market.
But that's the thing the Atom has become nothing more then a bottom basement cpu for intel to do nothing more then basic computing task. i mean when you are putting the same Atom cpu's into an ATM machine into a netbook that just goes to show you right there intels lack of motivation to make the atom a true contender and something more worthly then what it is now to the pc market.
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[citation][nom]SteelCity1981[/nom]But that's the thing the Atom has become nothing more then a bottom basement cpu for intel to do nothing more then basic computing task. i mean when you are putting the same Atom cpu's into an ATM machine into a netbook that just goes to show you right there intels lack of motivation to make the atom a true contender and something more worthly then what it is now to the pc market.[/citation]
I think that that shows that the Atom is versatile, not that Intel isn't innovating. Besides, they aren't the exact same, just similar. Atom was a true contender when it first came out and a while after that. It's biggest problems in the netbooks have always been the storage. You want proof? I have an old P4 notebook with a 2.4GHz P4 (I could go into more detail on it, but that doesn't really matter). This is probably slower than a single core Atom. However, when I stopped using it's garbage 40GB hard drive and use a flash drive, it flies. The CPU never was the problem for the netbooks. It has always been the storage and GPU. The CPU is good enough for it's job, especially the dual core Atoms. Brazos is better, but Atom was decent.
[citation][nom]southernshark[/nom]Atom processors are why I never bought a netbook.[/citation]
That's your ignorance showing.
I've also done this with an oldish Atom netbook (putting in flash storage) and it is then so much better that you wouldn't believe that it had an Atom. You people don't seem to realize that a CPU is rarely the worst problem, especially when Windows XP is the OS. Those Atoms are faster than the CPUs in your Android, iPhone, Blackberry, etc., yet we don't complain about them (much). Maybe the 1.5GHz dual core Krait such as the CPU in the HTC One X can come close to the Atoms, maybe the Cortex A15 processors can do it too. However, the much more common A9s and similarly performing processors do not meet even the Atoms, let alone beat them. The dual core A9s usually can't even meet the weakest single core Atoms.
I think that that shows that the Atom is versatile, not that Intel isn't innovating. Besides, they aren't the exact same, just similar. Atom was a true contender when it first came out and a while after that. It's biggest problems in the netbooks have always been the storage. You want proof? I have an old P4 notebook with a 2.4GHz P4 (I could go into more detail on it, but that doesn't really matter). This is probably slower than a single core Atom. However, when I stopped using it's garbage 40GB hard drive and use a flash drive, it flies. The CPU never was the problem for the netbooks. It has always been the storage and GPU. The CPU is good enough for it's job, especially the dual core Atoms. Brazos is better, but Atom was decent.
[citation][nom]southernshark[/nom]Atom processors are why I never bought a netbook.[/citation]
That's your ignorance showing.
I've also done this with an oldish Atom netbook (putting in flash storage) and it is then so much better that you wouldn't believe that it had an Atom. You people don't seem to realize that a CPU is rarely the worst problem, especially when Windows XP is the OS. Those Atoms are faster than the CPUs in your Android, iPhone, Blackberry, etc., yet we don't complain about them (much). Maybe the 1.5GHz dual core Krait such as the CPU in the HTC One X can come close to the Atoms, maybe the Cortex A15 processors can do it too. However, the much more common A9s and similarly performing processors do not meet even the Atoms, let alone beat them. The dual core A9s usually can't even meet the weakest single core Atoms.
I love my 2nd gen atom netbook. Battery life is over 9 hours. It is light. It doesn't overheat. It doesn't have funky drivers. I made sure to install a SSD with Windows 7 and maxed out the RAM and as of now, it is the primary computer for browsing the internet, writing content on the go, and email. My wife uses it all the time, and has no complaints. When I mentioned I was looking at ponying up some cash for a new laptop, she couldn't understand why, and asked that I reconsider.
Atoms are not intended to be Photoshop systems, or CAD systems. So long as they can watch Netflix, Youtube, Hulu... As long as it has WiFi and can access email and flash web sites, the Atom is good enough, and cheep. And the best part, if it breaks, or gets lost/stolen, it won't cost me an arm and a leg to replace/fix...
Atoms are not intended to be Photoshop systems, or CAD systems. So long as they can watch Netflix, Youtube, Hulu... As long as it has WiFi and can access email and flash web sites, the Atom is good enough, and cheep. And the best part, if it breaks, or gets lost/stolen, it won't cost me an arm and a leg to replace/fix...
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[citation][nom]hector2[/nom]If you think netbooks are bad with Atom, how good would they be with ARM ?[/citation]
I don't care whether or not it has ARM, Atom, or a hamster running on a wheel as long as the experience is good. As long as web browsing, network access, general office apps are not noticably waiting on the CPU, storage, and local network resources to complete the experience should be pretty good. IMO, netbooks haven't been doing such a good job at this and therefore they're unloved (at least by me).
I don't care whether or not it has ARM, Atom, or a hamster running on a wheel as long as the experience is good. As long as web browsing, network access, general office apps are not noticably waiting on the CPU, storage, and local network resources to complete the experience should be pretty good. IMO, netbooks haven't been doing such a good job at this and therefore they're unloved (at least by me).
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I always thought why not put a AMD A-series on a netbook. The integrated Gpu and Cpu would mean that you could focus on cooling the processor and not and video cards or motherboard integrated graphics.
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[citation][nom]seanhallam[/nom]I always thought why not put a AMD A-series on a netbook. The integrated Gpu and Cpu would mean that you could focus on cooling the processor and not and video cards or motherboard integrated graphics.[/citation]
The A series uses too much power with Llano. Trinity has some models that might use a small enough amount of power, but I've read that AMD is making a new netbook line. Besides, AMD already had a line of netbook APUs that includes many E series models.
The A series uses too much power with Llano. Trinity has some models that might use a small enough amount of power, but I've read that AMD is making a new netbook line. Besides, AMD already had a line of netbook APUs that includes many E series models.
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Funny to see this article a year and a half later, and you can still buy brand new products with D2700s. It seems a lot of these were produced.
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