News Intel Processor N-series CPU specifications leaked — same old architecture with paltry clock speed improvements

[subspruce]

Euhm, no.

Intel has introduced drastically new cores for desktop Gen 11 back in 2021, brought big little to the PC in 2022 started with tile based chips for laptops in 2023 and introduce totally reworked cores again in 2024.

It's not panning out that much is true, but you can't say they aren't being innovative.
AMD put fire under their buts and they are and have been working hard .

There is a company that has done very little the last couple of years, but it's not Intel or AMD

are you talking about Nvidia or Boeing?

 

[bit_user]

Intel has introduced drastically new cores for desktop Gen 11 back in 2021, brought big little to the PC in 2022 started with tile based chips for laptops in 2023 and introduce totally reworked cores again in 2024.

It's not panning out that much is true, but you can't say they aren't being innovative.

I see it as another instance of the problems Intel faced with Broadwell and Ice Lake. In each case, it seems they had optimized their old microarchitecture and process so much that it was hard for a new core on a new node to overtake it. In this case, the overhang is perhaps bigger than before, especially when it's on a node they don't even control.

AMD put fire under their buts and they are and have been working hard .

Where I think AMD has succeeded is in consistency. They have simply been putting in the work and delivering incremental improvements on a fairly regular cadence, and it adds up. Other than chiplets, they haven't been making bold moves like doing hybrid architectures with massive P-cores and tiny E-cores or ditching hyperthreading, but they've been very good at delivering gen-on-gen improvements. If they improved their cache-stacking to the point where the 9950X3D can now have cache on both dies, that should deliver a full generation worth of improvement, and in their flagship CPU!

There is a company that has done very little the last couple of years, but it's not Intel or AMD

How do you figure that Apple has been sitting still? They had a couple generations where their cores didn't change much, probably due to losing so much talent to Nuvia, but I thought we were again starting to see some microarchitecture improvements from them.

 

[subspruce]

I see it as another instance of the problems Intel faced with Broadwell and Ice Lake. In each case, it seems they had optimized their old microarchitecture and process so much that it was hard for a new core on a new node to overtake it. In this case, the overhang is perhaps bigger than before, especially when it's on a node they don't even control.


Where I think AMD has succeeded is in consistency. They have simply been putting in the work and delivering incremental improvements on a fairly regular cadence, and it adds up. Other than chiplets, they haven't been making bold moves like doing hybrid architectures with massive P-cores and tiny E-cores or ditching hyperthreading, but they've been very good at delivering gen-on-gen improvements. If they improved their cache-stacking to the point where the 9950X3D can now have cache on both dies, that should deliver a full generation worth of improvement, and in their flagship CPU!


How do you figure that Apple has been sitting still? They had a couple generations where their cores didn't change much, probably due to losing so much talent to Nuvia, but I thought we were again starting to see some microarchitecture improvements from them.

they *just* switched to ARMv9

 

[bit_user]

they *just* switched to ARMv9

That's cool. They had already implemented most of the v9 features, which were optional extensions to v8, with the glaring exception of SVE.

v8 -> v9 is nowhere near as big a change as v7 -> v8 was.