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jkflipflop98
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Wow you people are idiots.
AMD and Intel have been doing this since they started making chips. ALL i7 processors start off as extreme editions. Then the speed bins and features are laser-cut out to drop the chip down to it's requested bin. Not everyone wants a $1000 processor, ya know.
AMD and Intel have been doing this since they started making chips. ALL i7 processors start off as extreme editions. Then the speed bins and features are laser-cut out to drop the chip down to it's requested bin. Not everyone wants a $1000 processor, ya know.
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This reminds me of the 486SX's that were actually 486DX's with the FPU disabled or "missing". You had to buy a coprocessor in order to get the FPU on a 486SX.
So what was probably the start of the little gimmick you see here, which is nothing new. Only they packaged it into a nice little marketing scheme in order to bag a few noobs and grandma's here and there....
So what was probably the start of the little gimmick you see here, which is nothing new. Only they packaged it into a nice little marketing scheme in order to bag a few noobs and grandma's here and there....
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[citation][nom]jkflipflop98[/nom]Wow you people are idiots. AMD and Intel have been doing this since they started making chips. ALL i7 processors start off as extreme editions. Then the speed bins and features are laser-cut out to drop the chip down to it's requested bin. Not everyone wants a $1000 processor, ya know.[/citation]
Not all silicon is equal, and the numbers of actual working to spec processors made are far from 100%. Both AMD and Intel use the non-fully functional processors, test them out, and disable parts that do not work, and sell them at a lower price point. That way everyone is a wiener. I've seen people unlock the 4th core on a 3 core phenom 2, but none were fully successful at making the processor as functional as a stock 4 core it was meant to be because well, it just didn't work out.
Theres also another way, when companies see profits, they also slightly re-engineer the architecture to conserve in production, and bring us a lower price point.
To me, heres what the cards mean... They churn a massive profit from every processor, so much, that they can bring the price down for lower performance and still make money, AND to get some more money... they have select customers that are willing to pay some more. Its a way to reach every penny in your pocket. Lets say you always upgrade when your comp gets pretty old and you have enough money for a new one. This creates a way for you to artificially raise hardware performance when you notice that your comp isn't fast enough anymore. The sad part is, it doesn't change it that much, so the 50 dollar upgrade won't actually delay the big upgrade.
Not all silicon is equal, and the numbers of actual working to spec processors made are far from 100%. Both AMD and Intel use the non-fully functional processors, test them out, and disable parts that do not work, and sell them at a lower price point. That way everyone is a wiener. I've seen people unlock the 4th core on a 3 core phenom 2, but none were fully successful at making the processor as functional as a stock 4 core it was meant to be because well, it just didn't work out.
Theres also another way, when companies see profits, they also slightly re-engineer the architecture to conserve in production, and bring us a lower price point.
To me, heres what the cards mean... They churn a massive profit from every processor, so much, that they can bring the price down for lower performance and still make money, AND to get some more money... they have select customers that are willing to pay some more. Its a way to reach every penny in your pocket. Lets say you always upgrade when your comp gets pretty old and you have enough money for a new one. This creates a way for you to artificially raise hardware performance when you notice that your comp isn't fast enough anymore. The sad part is, it doesn't change it that much, so the 50 dollar upgrade won't actually delay the big upgrade.
memadmax
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As stated before, I'm sure that someone is already busy digging away into the internals of these processors and how to unlock em.
It's only a matter of time.
And im sure Intel is already fully aware of that, and will probably change whatever addressing mechanism is used per processor stepping.
So, in short, a hack will be long in coming, and there will be multiple hacks, that will create ALOT of garbageware too.
It's only a matter of time.
And im sure Intel is already fully aware of that, and will probably change whatever addressing mechanism is used per processor stepping.
So, in short, a hack will be long in coming, and there will be multiple hacks, that will create ALOT of garbageware too.
[citation][nom]elitemarksman[/nom]You do realize that the lower end processors are just high end processors with certain features disabled? AMD does not make ANY triple core processors, they are quads with one core disabled.[/citation]
Well AMD's tri core was more due to trouble in the beginning to get proper yeilds, if one core of the quad core didnt pass quality testing they disabled it and sold it as a tri core. As yeild improved most newer tri cores were quad core without defects. In this case intel sells fully functional items thats tested to meet the higher spec and then take extra to unlock it to that point. Its like buying a ferrari with a V12 but only get to use as a V8 untill you pay extra!
Well AMD's tri core was more due to trouble in the beginning to get proper yeilds, if one core of the quad core didnt pass quality testing they disabled it and sold it as a tri core. As yeild improved most newer tri cores were quad core without defects. In this case intel sells fully functional items thats tested to meet the higher spec and then take extra to unlock it to that point. Its like buying a ferrari with a V12 but only get to use as a V8 untill you pay extra!
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meh i dont care if intel does this
if people want to pay that $50 they will
it isnt about AMD being better its about what you need and the sort of things you can and cannot afford - i bought my i7 2600K rig because frankly its better then AMD's offerings and the 2600K is the same as the 2600 for the exception of the multiplier - is it not the same?
get over it seriously.
if people want to pay that $50 they will
it isnt about AMD being better its about what you need and the sort of things you can and cannot afford - i bought my i7 2600K rig because frankly its better then AMD's offerings and the 2600K is the same as the 2600 for the exception of the multiplier - is it not the same?
get over it seriously.
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Still a bunch of wankers crying over something they'll never use in the first place. I just don't get it.
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NEXT: Intel unlock codes need to be re-issued every six months, or your hardware reverts to the original performance.
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The problem is there's no easy way to know you've bought a throttled product. There's no visible switch that's turned off or gear that isn't turning so its easy for people to be deceived. People should be making a big deal out of this. Capitalism at it's worst. I just wish there's something that could be done about it.
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What is the difference car makers do this all the time. Did you realize that a H3 was as far as the chassis the same as the Colorado Z71. The price was 2 1/2 more. People buy a certain processor due to needs at the time and cost. This lets them upgrade with out changing their hardware. I'm wonder why people don't complain about the difference in price of windows OEM and full product they do the same thing.
[citation][nom]Confused Turtle[/nom]I've heard of people unlocking cores on their AMD processors. They throttle stuff too; they just don't offer upgrades. If you had purchased one of these throttled Intel processors earlier, you would still get the performance you originally expected from them.I don't like the idea of disabling hardware as part of the bleed you for every cent scheme myself. But the worst thing you can do for a cause is give bad arguments for it.[/citation]
The cores you were unlocking on the AMD were at your own risk as they didn't meet specs so they were turned off. And you got a better deal on the processor. If you wanted to unlock it you could in most cases without shelling out cash to a scam artist.
The cores you were unlocking on the AMD were at your own risk as they didn't meet specs so they were turned off. And you got a better deal on the processor. If you wanted to unlock it you could in most cases without shelling out cash to a scam artist.
[citation][nom]WyomingKnott[/nom]NEXT: Intel unlock codes need to be re-issued every six months, or your hardware reverts to the original performance.[/citation]
Shhh!! You wern't supposed to tell them yet... The big plan is get the dumb ones to rent their processors and OS's by the hour. I bet the Apple guys will fall for it first.
Shhh!! You wern't supposed to tell them yet... The big plan is get the dumb ones to rent their processors and OS's by the hour. I bet the Apple guys will fall for it first.
I think this is a bit of a rip off, when I buy a CPU I think it should perform at it's full potential, not at a capped speed. Oh well you could always overclock if you have a motherboard that allows overclocking anyway.
I'm aware that lower end CPUs have features disabled, but I thought this was only because when they test the CPUs not all of them will pass the tests but they just sell them as lower end models because they are still good and stable but just slower.
I'm aware that lower end CPUs have features disabled, but I thought this was only because when they test the CPUs not all of them will pass the tests but they just sell them as lower end models because they are still good and stable but just slower.
[citation][nom]custodian-1[/nom]What is the difference car makers do this all the time. Did you realize that a H3 was as far as the chassis the same as the Colorado Z71. The price was 2 1/2 more. People buy a certain processor due to needs at the time and cost. This lets them upgrade with out changing their hardware. I'm wonder why people don't complain about the difference in price of windows OEM and full product they do the same thing.[/citation]
Because we can buy the OEM cheaper that the full version anytime we want over the retail and slap it opn our homemade systems. I dont need tech support from Microsoft which is mostly what the full version gives you.
Because we can buy the OEM cheaper that the full version anytime we want over the retail and slap it opn our homemade systems. I dont need tech support from Microsoft which is mostly what the full version gives you.
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There is a very distinct difference between AMD and Intel here:
AMD's triple cores either didn't have the proper thermal charactaristics, one of the cores actually failed on testing, or they locked a core to meet the demands of the x3 market.
Now AMD is taking a x4 processor valued at $130 and rather junking it for a 100% loss(in the instance of a core flaw) or letting excess x4 stock sit stagnant when there is a demand for x3, they are locking a core and selling it as a x3.
AMD is not offering at anytime to charge for an upgrade. Motherboard manufacturers added the feature and in most cases there wasn't any perceivable added cost for the motherboard.
Where-as Intel is doing this for OEM PCs(which are catered to the technologically ignorant) and it's universal(all i3-2102s in the PCs) are capable. Which means Intel isn't reacting to a bad stock and making the best of the situation. They are preying on the ignorant masses that flock to the (Intel Inside) logo.
It's shady, and underhanded. It's intentionally taking advantage of an ignorant population, and this in no way compares to how Intel handles it's disabled hardware.
And as for the GPU arument? 6xxx series cards came with a secondary BIOS to allow for unlocking cores. This was built into the reference card from AMD. I get the distinct impression AMD values and respects their customers, whereas Intel sees them as walking wallets.
AMD's triple cores either didn't have the proper thermal charactaristics, one of the cores actually failed on testing, or they locked a core to meet the demands of the x3 market.
Now AMD is taking a x4 processor valued at $130 and rather junking it for a 100% loss(in the instance of a core flaw) or letting excess x4 stock sit stagnant when there is a demand for x3, they are locking a core and selling it as a x3.
AMD is not offering at anytime to charge for an upgrade. Motherboard manufacturers added the feature and in most cases there wasn't any perceivable added cost for the motherboard.
Where-as Intel is doing this for OEM PCs(which are catered to the technologically ignorant) and it's universal(all i3-2102s in the PCs) are capable. Which means Intel isn't reacting to a bad stock and making the best of the situation. They are preying on the ignorant masses that flock to the (Intel Inside) logo.
It's shady, and underhanded. It's intentionally taking advantage of an ignorant population, and this in no way compares to how Intel handles it's disabled hardware.
And as for the GPU arument? 6xxx series cards came with a secondary BIOS to allow for unlocking cores. This was built into the reference card from AMD. I get the distinct impression AMD values and respects their customers, whereas Intel sees them as walking wallets.
Ok no Intel for me anymore for even thinking about doing this....I still had both Amd and Intel if Amd starts doing this I will go for Nvidia cpu's by then they will be allowed to make cpu's.
I hate this type of business. I swear I will never buy something like this, not from Intel, not from anyone. Even simply knowing that I had 2 dormant cores in the phenom ii x2 I bought, on good grounds that they were inferior, I felt like I had to unlock them (for free). I even hate that the xbox next to my tv has a pretty good CPU, 3x3 Ghz if I remember correctly, that I use less and less often, and can't even hack to install linux. 🙁
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An Idea just crossed my mind. Intel is always working on new technologies, let's say they discover a new CPU, graphite, nano computers, whatever. They won't sell you that much power all at once. They'll sell the new CPU locked to 2% of it's true power, making it just a bit better then current gen and for the next 30 years Intel will be just a company that sells scratch cards.
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An Idea just crossed my mind. Intel is always working on new technologies, let's say they discover a new CPU, graphite, nano computers, whatever. They won't sell you that much power all at once. They'll sell the new CPU locked to 2% of it's true power, making it just a bit better then current gen and for the next 30 years Intel will be just a company that sells scratch cards.
apache_lives
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wow sooo many drama lamas here
WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD EVERYONE DOES IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER GET OVER IT
WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD EVERYONE DOES IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER GET OVER IT
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