News Intel releases extended warranty details for 13th and 14th-gen chips, list includes Core i5, i7, and i9 processors

[alceryes]

13500 isn't a RPL die and there's no reason to believe it's affected by this issue. You should troubleshoot your machine as normal.

Since when is the i5-13500 NOT a Raptor Lake die?

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...13500-processor-24m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz.html

It is a Raptor Lake die and is a 65W base power CPU, so it should be included in the scope of CPUs that can potentially be damaged by Intel's negligence.

 

[thestryker]

Since when is the i5-13500 NOT a Raptor Lake die?

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...13500-processor-24m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz.html

It is a Raptor Lake die and is a 65W base power CPU, so it should be included in the scope of CPUs that can potentially be damaged by Intel's negligence.

Since forever?

First clue: if you scroll down to "Total L2 Cache" and note it's 11.5MB instead of 20MB which is what RPL is for 6P/8E.
Second clue: if you click on "Ordering and Compliance" and note it's a C0 die which is ADL not RPL

You shouldn't post so definitively when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

[-Fran-]

Since forever?

First clue: if you scroll down to "Total L2 Cache" and note it's 11.5MB instead of 20MB which is what RPL is for 6P/8E.
Second clue: if you click on "Ordering and Compliance" and note it's a C0 die which is ADL not RPL

You shouldn't post so definitively when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

So... Intel is lying about the underlying architecture of the CPUs?

It clearly says "Raptor Lake" in the page.

Also, it's not unheard of to fuse off cache in CPUs, depending on how it's clustered. Not sure if this would be the case, but it's the only other alternative. Stepping is a weird one though.

What to believe then?

Regards.

 

[thestryker]

So... Intel is lying about the underlying architecture of the CPUs?

It clearly says "Raptor Lake" in the page.

Also, it's not unheard of to fuse off cache in CPUs, depending on how it's clustered. Not sure if this would be the case, but it's the only other alternative. Stepping is a weird one though.

What to believe then?

Regards.

They're not lying about anything per se as there never was a 6P/8E ADL part and it says nothing about architecture just the codename family.

Intel is also being transparent by showing the stepping on all of the CPUs. There are a handful of RPL die that have been reconfigured in some way to match specs of ADL (13400/14400 and I think a couple of others) which show both B0 and C0 die. None of the ADL parts or parts configured to match ADL are on the list of extended warranty.

edit: personally speaking I wish they just rolled out a bunch of code names with revisions like they did during 7th-8th predominantly even though their transparency is still there by listing stepping.

 

[alceryes]

They're not lying about anything per se as there never was a 6P/8E ADL part and it says nothing about architecture just the codename family.

Intel is also being transparent by showing the stepping on all of the CPUs. There are a handful of RPL die that have been reconfigured in some way to match specs of ADL (13400/14400 and I think a couple of others) which show both B0 and C0 die. None of the ADL parts or parts configured to match ADL are on the list of extended warranty.

edit: personally speaking I wish they just rolled out a bunch of code names with revisions like they did during 7th-8th predominantly even though their transparency is still there by listing stepping.

Interesting.
It said Raptor Lake on the ark site and the ark site says it's a 65W CPU. According to Intel's statements, these are the two qualifiers for affected CPUs. It also has the larger L3 cache of Raptor Lake.

Other than Intel's omission of certain CPUs on their list, can you point me to an Intel post/page specifically saying that those CPUs aren't included?

Also, what, specifically, does reconfigured in some way to match specs of ADL even mean? Nothing you have posted leads me to believe that it's not a 65W Raptor Lake CPU, potentially affected by the issue.

 

[thestryker]

It also has the larger L3 cache of Raptor Lake.

Intel didn't change the L3 cache per core configuration from ADL to RPL so that's not a thing.

Also, what, specifically, does reconfigured in some way to match specs of ADL even mean? Nothing you have posted leads me to believe that it's not a 65W Raptor Lake CPU, potentially affected by the issue.

Since you don't seem to grasp this I'll try a more in depth explanation.

First Intel doesn't call it by it's architecture name on Ark just slots them into the "family".

Now the more important part is the die themselves:

ADL using the GC core has two die that are being manufactured C0 which is 8P/8E and H0 which is 6P/0E. Every ADL CPU with E cores uses the C0 die from the 6P/4E to the 8P/8E. I'd have to go through and double check, but I believe every ADL CPU without E cores uses the H0 die.

RPL using the RC core only has a single die being manufactured which is B0 that has 8P/16E. This is where things differ from ADL only the 65W parts on the list in this article use B0 die. I'll use the 13600 and 13600K as the easiest example of this:

Note the 11.5MB of L2 on the 13600 and then if you go to ordering and compliance it says C0 for die: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...13600-processor-24m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz.html

Note the 20MB of L2 on the 13600K and then under ordering and compliance it says B0 for die:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...3600k-processor-24m-cache-up-to-5-10-ghz.html

Now as for what I said about configuration if you look at the 13400 it shows 11.5MB L2 cache, but when you go to ordering and compliance it says it uses both the B0 and C0 die. One of these is GC ADL and the other is RC RPL, but both are configured to have the specifications of ADL:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...13400-processor-20m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html

 

[alceryes]

Intel didn't change the L3 cache per core configuration from ADL to RPL so that's not a thing.

Since you don't seem to grasp this I'll try a more in depth explanation.

First Intel doesn't call it by it's architecture name on Ark just slots them into the "family".

Now the more important part is the die themselves:

ADL using the GC core has two die that are being manufactured C0 which is 8P/8E and H0 which is 6P/0E. Every ADL CPU with E cores uses the C0 die from the 6P/4E to the 8P/8E. I'd have to go through and double check, but I believe every ADL CPU without E cores uses the H0 die.

RPL using the RC core only has a single die being manufactured which is B0 that has 8P/16E. This is where things differ from ADL only the 65W parts on the list in this article use B0 die. I'll use the 13600 and 13600K as the easiest example of this:

Note the 11.5MB of L2 on the 13600 and then if you go to ordering and compliance it says C0 for die: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...13600-processor-24m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz.html

Note the 20MB of L2 on the 13600K and then under ordering and compliance it says B0 for die:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...3600k-processor-24m-cache-up-to-5-10-ghz.html

Now as for what I said about configuration if you look at the 13400 it shows 11.5MB L2 cache, but when you go to ordering and compliance it says it uses both the B0 and C0 die. One of these is GC ADL and the other is RC RPL, but both are configured to have the specifications of ADL:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...13400-processor-20m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html

Oh, I understand what you are saying just fine. You just aren't convinving me, regardless of how they configure it to be like ADL (can you explain, specifically, what this means)?

 

[thestryker]

Oh, I understand what you are saying just fine. You just aren't convinving me, regardless of how they configure it to be like ADL (can you explain, specifically, what this means)?

You obviously don't understand at all and there's no further way I can explain it to someone who refuses to.

 

[alceryes]

You obviously don't understand at all and there's no further way I can explain it to someone who refuses to.

Again, I understand completely. I am just not convinced.

You are implying that, because some Raptor Lake CPUs are using the same stepping as Alder Lake CPUs (stepping C0) that they are immune to the issues affecting Raptor Lake CPUs. Is that correct?

Have you considered that the addition of the (extra) e-cores, and the extra strain this puts on the ring bus (when combined with the higher voltage requests) may be part of the reason for these failures?

I am merely saying that there is insufficient evidence to make the assumption that this doesn't affect all Raptor Lake CPUs. Since Intel has been at best incorrect and at worst intentionally misleading in their statements thus far, I will refrain from trusting then. At least for the time being.

 

[thestryker]

Have you considered that the addition of the (extra) e-cores, and the extra strain this puts on the ring bus (when combined with the higher voltage requests) may be part of the reason for these failures?

What additional E-cores?

You claim to understand, but then make statements like this that don't make any sense.

 

[-Fran-]

Here we go again? Maybe?

Intel CPUs Crashing During Black Myth Wukong Shader Compilation

According to some users, even with the latest microcode 0x129, Black Myth: Wukong benchmarks crashes during shader compilation.

tech4gamers.com

Regards.

 

[alceryes]

What additional E-cores?

You claim to understand, but then make statements like this that don't make any sense.

You seem to be set on saying some of these Raptor Lake CPUs are configured to be like Alder Lake, yet one of the differences between some of the CPUs referenced is that the Alder Lake version has less (or no) e-cores compared to the Raptor Lake varient.

I'm not going to carry this any further.

 

[Guardians Bane]

Steve's Gamer Nexus High and many other snoozetuber gaming pundits have used terms like 100% failure rate, Intel are scumbags, the world is going to end because my cpu died and now I can't play League of Legends because Intel won't do my RMA.

Intel is going through a rough patch and they need to correct the ship and they will. The US govt will make sure of it. Did you know that the alphabet gangs are going after Nvidia? All of tech is in a bad way and we are in a AI bubble that has busted.

Im doing the best I can to be part of the solution but what about all of the entitled gamers out there who want an easy button for everything and whine and complain and leverage social media in order to gain attention and fame. Intel will not be able to please everyone and every situation under the sun, they are in survival mode and their stock has dipped below 20 dollars, which means Im going to buy more stock tomorrow so I can entitle myself to more money down the road.

Source for Steve from GN saying Intel has a 100% failure rate. If not, then move along with your whining.

This issue affects waaaaaaay more than gamers. Lmao ... Do you have any clue how many 13-14 gen pre-builts, diy, mini PCs are out there that everyday people use?

Plus you're the one trying to to blow up this conspiracy theory of yours.

Maybe focus on yourselft first before projecting your guilt on others.

Hope you have a good life! Later