Intel Responds to the EU's Publishing of Evidence

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[micul]

[citation][nom]Pei-chen[/nom]There is a reason why EU continuously lag behind US and East Asia in terms of technology output.[/citation]
EU does not lag behind the US only behind EAST ASIA.

 

[kutark]

Honestly, if i were in charge of Intel, i would continue the appeal, if i lost the the appeal, i would pay the fine, and then pull every single product i make out of their market, and deny to sell to any company that manufacturers and sells pc's that may use my product in any country which the EU regulates. You want AMD, here it is, find out how great your consumer experience will be when there is only one choice.

I seriously don't understand why companies like Intel and Dell put up with the utterly absurd laws that many countries have in effect. Like the whole fiasco with $10 monitors in i wanna say Taiwan. At least the US has reasonable laws regarding things like advertised prices and monopolies.

IMO, outside of the UN, the EU is the most corrupt and socialist organization that exists in developed countries.

The best part about this fine, is if intel gets it, who does it go to? Certainly not the consumers who supposedly were "screwed" because of this, but instead to a bunch of politicians to do who knows what with.

The only party that wins if Intel loses is the EU, the consumer certainly doesn't win.

 

[tayb]

This isn't going to effect my processor buying decisions in any way what-so-ever. I am still going to buy the fastest processor for my money regardless of whether it came from Intel or AMD. As it stands, AMD is not very competitive and it isn't because of monopolistic practices on the part of Intel, it is because AMD hasn't been able to make a truly competitive chip since Athlon 64 and the X2. You would be a fool and exercising a high level of hypocrisy if you stopped buying Intel chips because of what the corrupt EU thinks about their practices.

In case you have selective memories the EU fined Microsoft a substantial amount of money nearly equal to this amount and the people of this site quickly came to Microsoft's defense. The EU and their "protection of consumers and coporations" is a humongous sham.

I don't EVER remember having trouble finding a machine with an AMD chip during 2003-2005, not at all. In fact if you go to MSNBC or another stock researching web site and check AMD's stock during the months they were supposedly being "shut out" their stock was steadily RISING to a peak of above 40 during 2006. During 2005 AMD stock rose nearly 30 points and this is supposedly during the period where Intel was issuing rebates to companies who refused to stock AMD chips. Who were they selling to???? Their stock increased by 250%+!!

 

[DjEaZy]

... win on appeal? Hmmm... they were found guilty and then after that intel haz found evidence to base the appeal on? ... or maybe... intel starts loosing ground... the larrabee seems to be a flop... the GPU starts the winning marsh with nVidia CUDA and AMD/ATi stream... intel can not afford to lose money, but they don't have the GPU capability to gain money a said from CPU sell's... and blah-blah-blah... and what i wanted to say is... what goes around, comes around...

 

[waffle911]

[citation][nom]Pei-chen[/nom]There is a reason why EU continuously lag behind US and East Asia in terms of technology output.[/citation]
No, this is why you can reasonably expect more companies to practice shady business tactics in the US and Asia.

There is a MARKED difference between "volume discounts" and "rebates" and Intel's Exclusivity Contracts (read: EXTORTION). Making OEMs comply for fear of becoming uncompetitive with one-another, Intel uses their fear of each other to rip them all off. (One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring the all and in the darkness bite them.)

 

[WheelsOfConfusion]

[citation][nom]kutark[/nom]Honestly, if i were in charge of Intel, i would continue the appeal, if i lost the the appeal, i would pay the fine, and then pull every single product i make out of their market...[/citation]
Good luck defending that action in front of the shareholders. "Why aren't we selling ANYTHING in Europe?"
"Oh, I decided to throw a hissy fit because the EU caught us doing bad stuff."
"And... why shouldn't we fire you and sue your moronic ass into oblivion?"

I like your firm grasp of capitalism there, sir.

 

[Guest]

I like the part where the EU can release whatever the want, but disallow Intel from doing the same thing, making this a completely one-sided debate.

 

[waffle911]

[citation][nom]kutark[/nom] I seriously don't understand why companies like Intel and Dell put up with the utterly absurd laws that many countries have in effect. Like the whole fiasco with $10 monitors in i wanna say Taiwan. [/citation]
Because there are a lot of people in the EU with MONEY to pay for STUFF.

At least the US has reasonable laws regarding things like advertised prices and monopolies.

It has very similar laws to that of the EU, with the exception that the legal system in the US is full of corruption.

IMO, outside of the UN, the EU is the most corrupt and socialist organization that exists in developed countries.

Socialist? Well, DUH. A little socialism is NOT a bad thing when it actually works to protect the little guy. "Well Stephen Hawking would have died if he had to go through Britain's inefficient socialist health care system." He only LIVED because that same system guaranteed him treatment. Wish I could say that for the majority of American private health insurance companies. And corrupt? The UN? Really?

The best part about this fine, is if Intel gets it, who does it go to? Certainly not the consumers who supposedly were "screwed" because of this, but instead to a bunch of politicians to do who knows what with. The only party that wins if Intel loses is the EU, the consumer certainly doesn't win.

Wait, what? Did you even bother to read the last article or any of the by people who actually know what's going on? (I can only assume you think them to be liberal wackos, given your very strong views of the EU and what are or are not "acceptable" business practices.) That money goes to reduce the amount of money that member states of the EU have to pay the EU to actually keep it running. And in the grand scheme of things, €1.5 billion is a rather unsubstantial amount for something as big as the EU. Well, where does that money usually come from? The member states (countries in the EU). Where do their governments get that money? Taxes. If the government doesn't need as much money to keep the EU going, then they can spend the savings on things that will actually benefit the people, like road improvements, health care infrastructure, public education, public spaces, etc. How is that not benefitting the consumer? What else would they do, find each and every person who bought an Intel-based computer (practically everyone) and individually determine if and how much they should be compensated for Intel's foul business practices? That would be A. too costly, B. too error-prone, and C. too subjective. I think this works out pretty well.

 

[Guest]

You have to wonder if Intel planted all of the people defending them, or if these fanboys are just that stupid. If Intel wants to offer bulk discounts, that's fine, but anyone with any sense of morality should understand(without explanation) that they have no right to dictate how the OEMs deal with AMD.

America has turned into "Corporations Gone Wild", and regulating these greedy bastards isn't necessarily a bad thing... Personally, I choose to reward moral corporations, and punish immoral corporations with the same wallet... Unfortunately, many of you are too selfish to do the same... You'd feel "left out" at the LAN party with all of your Intel fanboy buddies...

 

[randomizer]

It's not about offering discounts, it's about offering (massive) discounts ONLY if you don't sell AMD hardware.

 

[neiroatopelcc]

[citation][nom]blackened144[/nom]Apparently you dont visit this site that often and read the comments on the articles relating to this debacle..[/citation]
I read it every day mate, and I know there are people who'r here just to cause trouble. But I also recognize your name, along with names like demonhorde665 and others, and I rarely remember people for their good deeds.

 

[moomooman]

Chipzilla has gotten way to big for its boots.

Apart from this, Intel has billboards all over Ireland telling people to vote yes on the Lisbon treaty. If people vote yes Intel will have a better chance of getting their €1.5 billion in fines overturned.

They are stifling competition and now as a foreign multinational they are openly interfering in the politics of soverign nations.

 

[FSC]

[citation][nom]WheelsOfConfusion[/nom]Good luck defending that action in front of the shareholders. "Why aren't we selling ANYTHING in Europe?" "Oh, I decided to throw a hissy fit because the EU caught us doing bad stuff." "And... why shouldn't we fire you and sue your moronic ass into oblivion?" I like your firm grasp of capitalism there, sir.[/citation]

I SO AGREE WITH YOU!!!