Intel Says 6-Cores Not Delayed

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[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]oh and a Pentium D 3.4 is around a Celeron E1200 in performance - who games with a celeron these days?Latest games = Latest Hardware - how its always been, expect nothing less[/citation]

Where the hell did you get the pentium D 3.4 from ? Do yourself the favor, and check my system specs in my profile before you make wierd asumptions! In the Pentium D era people would've picked an amd rig, so basicly none of those exist anymore except as toasters in fastfood shops.


That being said though - my dad can play supreme commander on his old 2.4 northwood with an agp based geforce 7600 @ 1024 (not forged alliance) so chances are it can play other stuff too.

gta 4 is rubbish as a game though. It's that simple. I've played it for like an hour, and decided to just cut my losses and get rid of it again.
 
Supreme commander thrashes my system in proper 4 way battles - dunno how you can say a Pentium 4 2.4 can "play" it...

GTA IV is a great game - iv never had an issue with performance or stability - worked a charm, and is in my books a great game like its predecessors.

People out there sadly enough still own and maintain Pentium D's - they arnt a bad chip or anything, just not as efficient. They were also cheap and had that selling point - INTEL and high ghz for those stupid people.
 
[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]and the only "3,4ghz dualcore" released on the market (stock) was the Pentium D, you said nothing about overclocking.[/citation]
well this is toms hardware - it's not linux.org ; so overclocking is the default thing really.

Anyway, it runs just fine on my dad's pc - ofcourse not on a huge map, but it runs fine.

As for gta 4 - I didn't experience any stability issues either - I just experienced a very poor game with virtually no gameplay. Not at all like gta 3 or vice city ; though vice city was poorly programmed.
 
[citation][nom]yoda8232[/nom]Both, there are more games but I don't know any programs that support 4 cores.[/citation]

seriously man? read up a bit. many more programs than games are multi thread/core optimized. there are what 3 games that are?
 
Apache_Lives: Fanboy much? No CPU goes much over 4ghz on air, Intel was not talking about LN2, they were talking about retail, I die shrink wouldn't have gotten it any higher, it just would've reduced power consumption.

Moblin = fail. That is why they just gave it to the Linux Foundation to take over development. They conceded that they couldn't turn it into a finished product on their own.

Atom = Slow crappy CPU, far less performance, and 2 to 4x the power consumption they originally claimed.

Nehalem: Very healthy? That would imply that it clocks higher than the previous generation, not the same or slightly lower, and surely not running at 80c.

 
[citation][nom]RUseriousMate[/nom]Apache_Lives: ....Atom = Slow crappy CPU, far less performance, and 2 to 4x the power consumption they originally claimed.Nehalem: Very healthy? That would imply that it clocks higher than the previous generation, not the same or slightly lower, and surely not running at 80c.[/citation]

Although I agree with some of your info, I'd have to protest against the Atom.
For it's time it was an amazing cpu,and it still is!
Yes it's no gaming cpu, but it does the XP and Linux, office tasks and webbrowsing really well!
As far as powerconsumption they stayed within their limits. Nowhere did they say the Atom was going to be a 1Watt processor!!!!
They did say they where developing a 1Watt system, but that's not the Atom. The One watt system was for cellphones and small pda's (or small internet devices).

The nehalem runs at the temperature depending on the cooling!
It IS a processor with over 100W TDP, which does need a relatively large cooling solution.

I still believe the atom is the best mininotebook processor ever created!
And the Core2Duo is the best laptop processor ever created.

You only look from performance point of view, not power consumption.
But I bet the majority will prefer a laptop that runs 4 hours on a core2duo over a corei7 laptop that can only best out 1,5 hours of battery!
Many people are quite content about their computer's performance, and don't need an i7; don't even want it, unless it'll cost the same or less as a core2duo costs today.

The majority of people today still are not the gamers, but the office man, and the internet users.
 
Individual programs that use lots of cores is good, but the fact is that even if there were 0 programs that used more than 1 core, users of computers use more than one program. Want to listen to music, surf the internet, and convert a video file while at the same time you computer is running anti virus software, defragging the hard drive, and monitoring your stock portfolio? Good luck getting it all to run smoothly on a single core processor.
Now days, there are lots of programs that use many cores. Some use two, some 4, and others seem limited only by the computer's number of cores. Now, take the above situation of lots of programs running at the same time, all using more than one core, and you would very likely want to have more than 2,3 or 4 cores, maybe 6 would be good, maybe 8 even.
I recently got an i7 920, and it has 4 cores that are divided into two threads each. That gives me 8 cores to distribute. The game I play, I like to have 6 instances running at the same time, it is an online game, and this gives me the ability to have a toon in town to check prices, a toon at the arena for betting, a toon in the fishing area fishing, and a main toon where I do all the adventuring. I then have two more toons that are slowly building an alternate guild. My old computer was a Q6600 with 4 cores, and I had to double up several game threads onto one core and all four cores would be almost fully saturated running the game. With my new computer, I can have two threads for my main adventure instance and 1 thread for each of the others and still have 1 thread clean for things like, internet, antivirus, mouse and keyboard programs. As it stands now, none of the hyperthreaded virtual threads is saturated, overall the processor rarely hits 60% usage and the game runs much smoother than it has ever run, and this is most noticible in the high density areas of cities, where it took 45 seconds to get moving after teleporting into a city before, now it is more like 5 to 10, and once I start moving, it does not lag for more than half seconds where it used to be 10 or more seconds at a time.
More cores is always good, and while I want high speed cores, it seems to me that the current i7 processors are accomplishing what I need today with total ease. I was totally skeptical about how much better i7 would be, but when my motherboard fried, I needed a new computer, and I had been forced to lower the overclock on my q6600, so I knew it was only a matter of time before it burned out, so I took the plunge and spent the extra cash. It seems well worth it to me.
 
They did originally claim that silverthorne aka atom would consume 1-2w, and claimed that it would perform on par with the Pentium M. Atom is basically an old design with a die shrink, Why not just do a die shrink of the original Pentium M? A Pentium M on 32nm would kick ass, while being very small, and if they kept the clock speed down, I'm sure they could stay well under 10w.
 
Buying the latest technology is only beneficial for the user if he/she is able to utilize it effectively. A Stoner, has found an i7 to work very well for him, but the games I play and photo processing programs I use only use two CPU cores. My FPS in games are very high with a dual core and having a quad core would have no noticeable benefit with most current games. Some games are multithreaded, but not the amount to influence me to upgrade my already fast system.
 
Maybe Tom's should do an updated article on single/dual/triple/quad core in multithreaded apps. Hell throw in a dual socket motherboard into the mix and run 2 quad cores. Lets see if there's still massive diminishing returns in most multithreaded apps when you go past 3 or 4 cores.
 
More cores is better. Simple. Have a look at all those processing running on your PC. Even single threaded applications run better on more cores because it gets pre-empted less. In some cases a faster dual core is preferable over a slower quad core. So buy what fits your budget and your use. I doubt Intel is going to stop making dual cores any time soon.

As far as applications using all available cores, try astronomical image processing. The software I use a multi threaded and benefits tremendously from additional cores. Some for newer image and movie editing software I'm sure.

To be honest I can't stand it when people generalize the needs to others based on what they need themselves. Why would you possibly be against 6 core CPUs? You don't *have* to buy them. Just be glad that there's progress and that every year we buy more MIPS for the same money.
 
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