News Intel Says Process Tech to Lag Competitors Until Late 2021, Will Regain Lead with 5nm

[Deicidium369]

Actually, I think I heard an Intel engineer touting that at one of their recent presentations. "Sure, AMD may have 64 cores, PCI 4.0, all the super computer wins, way better price / performance ratios and a CEO who knows her CPUs .... but do they have less total wafer space per CPU?! Do they? I don't think so!! Can I get a fist bump!? ... Fist bump anyone? ... Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? ... Bueller? ...."

Fistbump for record quarter after record quarter, even while being "destroyed" by AMD... Super Computers were always going to be a natural place for Epyc - they had quite a few Cray Opteron powered computers back when Opteron was a thing.

All these "advantages" - yet completely unable to capitalize on them. Niche player has PCIE4 - and a couple of devices that use it - when Intel rolls into PCIE4 - then the flood of PCIe4 will begin - until then, it's not even an issue - PCIe4 on servers will be super short-lived - all the interconnect CC stuff like CXL ride on PCIe5. Intel plays the longer game - and not like AMD has a damned thing to do with TSMCs success - since TSMC has nothing but failed nodes upto that point, and Intel has had 1 node with issues.. Long term trend is clear - AMD should enjoy their day in the sun, as it won't last long.

 

[joeblowsmynose]

Well since I don't use my PC to run benchmarks, that is meaningless. Buy what you want, what you can afford and enjoy it. It doesn't make you smarter, live longer or be more attractive to the opposite sex. It is a consumer electronic device that will be outdated in a very short time.

All those cores bumps up against the biggest problem in computers today (and has since the very 1st multi-processor system came out) - not easy to make code parallel - simply spinning off another thread is meaningless if it's working on the same part of the process as the other threads - when you can deploy another thread or threads that work on different parts of the same problem - that's where all these extra cores become useful - Business got around the issue of poor utilization with virtual machines - and programs like Cinebench are designed for those multiple threads and cores - however, games and most applications are not. I do ZERO video encoding, so AMD can have all the cores in the world and to me it's meaningless - I am not even making great use of my i9900KF.

My simple point was that his statement that Cinebench R15 always scores better on AMD than R20 was wrong. I inferred nothing more, but you are responding as though I had written something completely different ... But ok, I'll bite ...

I would bet that 90% of all 9900K(F/S) never get all their cores used, and that's how they can clock to 5.0ghz on mediocre cooling without a meltdown. I am sure most gamers only need two cores, because no game ever uses more and blah, blah, blah. ... this isn't really relevant anymore, and most applications these days are plenty complex enough that many tasks can run parallel, the real problem is its harder to code for it, and people are generally lazy. Take windoes for example -- now there's an app that everyone uses and it often does hundreds and even thousands of things in parallel, and, you can't really tell me that no one uses windows 😉

I like to have a computer powerful enough so that I can do more than one thing at a time. Having to close out all your other applications to play a game without getting stutter is so 2010. 😉

I can render 3D animations and play Elite dangerous at the same time with hardly a frame dropped if I set my affinity properly.

If all you do is light gaming and browsing, I agree, 8 threads are probably enough ... but just a couple years ago, it was four threads ... I don't like to have to run out and upgrade every year either.

To each their own though, depends on what is best for your needs, but I do find it interesting as I hear the argument from Intel users about how powerful CPUs aren't needed anymore ... now that AMD has the most powerful CPUs ... its a bit funny.

 

[joeblowsmynose]

Fistbump for record quarter after record quarter, even while being "destroyed" by AMD... Super Computers were always going to be a natural place for Epyc - they had quite a few Cray Opteron powered computers back when Opteron was a thing.

All these "advantages" - yet completely unable to capitalize on them. Niche player has PCIE4 - and a couple of devices that use it - when Intel rolls into PCIE4 - then the flood of PCIe4 will begin - until then, it's not even an issue - PCIe4 on servers will be super short-lived - all the interconnect CC stuff like CXL ride on PCIe5. Intel plays the longer game - and not like AMD has a damned thing to do with TSMCs success - since TSMC has nothing but failed nodes upto that point, and Intel has had 1 node with issues.. Long term trend is clear - AMD should enjoy their day in the sun, as it won't last long.

Eh? ... What the heck does that have to do with total die area on a CPU? Don't be weird. Just start a new post.

 

[King_V]

Buy what you want, what you can afford and enjoy it. It doesn't make you smarter, live longer or be more attractive to the opposite sex.

What? WHAT??!?

Oh, suuuurrre, next thing you know, you're gonna start telling me that choosing the right beer won't give me a flashy sports car and have me surrounded by hot, bikini-clad women!

 

[joeblowsmynose]

What? WHAT??!?

Oh, suuuurrre, next thing you know, you're gonna start telling me that choosing the right beer won't give me a flashy sports car and have me surrounded by hot, bikini-clad women!

Right? I only bought an AMD processor so I could get the ladies.