News Intel Shares Alder Lake Pricing, Specs and Gaming Performance: $589 for 16 Cores

[escksu]

Do not take the comparison chart with 5950x too seriously.... I expect it to be alot closer when tested. I believe both CPUs are tested at their stock settings (not overclocked manually). However, the Alderlake likely is running in PL2 mode (not sure for how long). At 241W, its going to have a big advantage over 5950x that is limited to 105W. Nothing was mention if 5950x is running in PBO though I doubt so.

Don't forget that 5950x also has performance issue with win11 (wasn't patch when Intel did the test).

 

[guru7of9]

Seriously, the 12900k will have 8 more cores than the 11900k and you don't think that it will have a big difference in performance?
Also the smaller cores will draw so much less power that you will be able to run the CPU at much lower clocks which means much less power, you won't need to overclock unless you get hard from doing so.
Constant 240W will give you 50% more multi which will translate in it being about 20% faster than the 5900x.
Sticking to the lower 125W will basically match the 5900x in performance.
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Whats the bet Intel paid Microsoft bucket loads of cash to make sure Ryzen does not run as fast on Win11 under any circumstances ! Haha
And select hardware sites are encouraged finacially or otherwise to support this plan !
And Donald Trump bought shares in Intel and Microsoft to support his new Facebook!
And covid 19 is just fluff !
The only things that are most likely true are my first 2 comments .

 

[TerryLaze]

Whats the bet Intel paid Microsoft bucket loads of cash to make sure Ryzen does not run as fast on Win11 under any circumstances ! Haha

Neither favored core or cache latency have any real effect on multihtreaded benchmarks, no matter if win 10 or 11 the additional 8 e cores are going to supply the exact same productivity performance both ways.

 

[SupressedKnife]

Does anyone know if these new intel CPU's will be impacted a lot by the chip shortage? or does intel have a big stock of their new CPU's now?

 

[guru7of9]

Neither favored core or cache latency have any real effect on multihtreaded benchmarks, no matter if win 10 or 11 the additional 8 e cores are going to supply the exact same productivity performance both ways.

You are just talking about the bugs that have just been supposedly fixed !
Why wouldnt Ryzen be at least the same performance on w11 as on win 10?
If it is a later iteration of 10 ? Except Intel have made it specifically for their brand new baby Alderlake ! With the help of Microsoft.
Hmmmm you got to wonder considering they would know Ryzen very well these days!
Apparently the Ryzen bugs on win11 miraculously appeared very late at the end and there were none beforehand !
You have got to ask the question ?
Seems extremely convenient for team blue !

 

[TerryLaze]

You are just talking about the bugs that have just been supposedly fixed !
Why wouldnt Ryzen be at least the same performance on w11 as on win 10?

But outside of these two bugs windows 11 is exactly as fast as windows 10 for ryzen.

 

[RodroX]

Nice Article!

Darn, still another week to have independent performance/cooling and power usage reviews.

I pitty the guy who had to run all those benchmarks (and many more that are not shown) to find the ones that were more favorable for the i9 11900K vs i9 12900K big slideshow. And no CBP2077, Horizon Zero Dawn and MSF 2020, thats a bummer 😞

 

[DougMcC]

Can someone clarify the PCI5 on the processor ... is that just interconnect to the chipset, or would we be seeing motherboards that connect the GPU via PCI5?

 

[TerryLaze]

I pitty the guy who had to run all those benchmarks (and many more that are not shown) to find the ones that were more favorable for the i9 11900K vs i9 12900K big slideshow. And no CBP2077, Horizon Zero Dawn and MSF 2020, thats a bummer 😞

If that where their intention they wouldn't release a pic showing a big bunch of games with zero and minimal increase.
Also most of these games are well known for every benchmark site using them all the time.

And no CBP2077, Horizon Zero Dawn and MSF 2020, thats a bummer 😞

I don't know about HZD but the other two are games that perform very badly and nobody uses games as benchmarks that don't perform well.

 

[RodroX]

If that where their intention they wouldn't release a pic showing a big bunch of games with zero and minimal increase.
Also most of these games are well known for every benchmark site using them all the time.

I don't know about HZD but the other two are games that perform very badly and nobody uses games as benchmarks that don't perform well.

Or perhaps the other games that are not shown in the graph were even worst than the ones that are here. Everyone see what they want to see and thats fine.

As for CBP2077 and MFS 2020 they were used by intel on the introduction of the 11900K (https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/r...n-9-5900x-in-gaming-(according-to-intel).html). Hence it would have been nice to the see what happend there too, at least according to intel internal benchs.

 

[TerryLaze]

Or perhaps the other games that are not shown in the graph were even worst than the ones that are here. Everyone see what they want to see and thats fine.

But if they wanted to only show big gains they just wouldn't show the games that have the same performance, there is no law that is forcing them to show 30-40 games, they could have shown only the games that have 20% or more performance gain.

 

[martinch]

Looking at the UK pricing (via Scan), it looks like the retail price carries a 20% increase on the Rocket Lake range (which was expensive enough, but there again I remember when an i7 was £250, and an i5 was £150...):

• i9-12900K is £580 ($800)
• i7-12700K is £420 ($580)
• i5-12600K is £290 ($400)

I'm hoping the power consumption looks better than the specs sheets suggest (I know it doesn't bother some, but there's already 2 weeks in the year where I don't want to use my Haswell-based PC due to it making the room uncomfortably hot). 🙁

* for an indication of the perceived price, the average salary in the UK is around $43,000.

 

[TerryLaze]

Looking at the UK pricing (via Scan), it looks like the retail price carries a 20% increase on the Rocket Lake range

It's not out yet, any price you find now is from grey market imports so a higher price is to be expected.

 

[JamesJones44]

Do not take the comparison chart with 5950x too seriously.... I expect it to be alot closer when tested. I believe both CPUs are tested at their stock settings (not overclocked manually). However, the Alderlake likely is running in PL2 mode (not sure for how long). At 241W, its going to have a big advantage over 5950x that is limited to 105W. Nothing was mention if 5950x is running in PBO though I doubt so.

Don't forget that 5950x also has performance issue with win11 (wasn't patch when Intel did the test).

PPT for a 5950x is 142 watts not 105. The 105W is the Thermal Design Power, aka, what is required to cool the processor, not its max power draw.

 

[JamesJones44]

Can someone clarify the PCI5 on the processor ... is that just interconnect to the chipset, or would we be seeing motherboards that connect the GPU via PCI5?

PCIe 5 is available to 1 PCIe slot, meaning you could in theory use it for a GPU that supported PCIe 5 if one existed. The chipset interconnect is DMI 4.

 

[guru7of9]

But outside of these two bugs windows 11 is exactly as fast as windows 10 for ryzen.

how do we actually know that yet?

 

[TerryLaze]

how do we actually know that yet?

That's true, it might even be faster.

 

[Dalamar6]

That's the 1K tray pricing, not "plebian" MSRP.

At retail it'll definitely be more than that. Still, finding it under $700 may be totally possible, so good news there for sure. I'd say it's like at least 20% increase over the prices mentioned.

Seems like Intel is not going ballistic with pricing, so that also hints at them being cautious. Not a bad thing, TBH.

Regards.

doubt, msrp is msrp.
scalpers are another story.

 

[-Fran-]

doubt, msrp is msrp.
scalpers are another story.

If it was the MSRP, they would be explicit. If you're buying at least 1K CPUs per time, that is what they'd charge you per CPU. That is what that means. So, it is not MSRP; that's the point.

Regards.

 

[martinch]

any price you find now is from grey market imports

That's incorrect. All of the large UK suppliers are listing pricing (for pre-orders) on their sites, and they're not known for selling grey-market items.

 

[guru7of9]

That's true, it might even be faster.

Well we shall see its only a matter of hours now !
I think Alder lake will be faster in some things but it won't be as much as they been banging on about and it will be at the expense heat and KWatts!

 

[guru7of9]

Nice Article!

Darn, still another week to have independent performance/cooling and power usage reviews.

I pitty the guy who had to run all those benchmarks (and many more that are not shown) to find the ones that were more favorable for the i9 11900K vs i9 12900K big slideshow. And no CBP2077, Horizon Zero Dawn and MSF 2020, thats a bummer 😞

Absolute GOLD ! Haha 🤣