From NFAQ:
Anyone care to remember the infamous 820chipset with the LAST-MINUTE addition of the MTH (Memory Translator Hub) in which these "State of the art" Intel board were MUCH SLOWER than the older BX boards which were on the market for more than a year... close to 2 years!
From: Slvr_phoenix
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Wow. Could you get any more wrong? The i820 was designed for RDRAM. It wasn't meant to run SDRAM at all. Pairing an i820 with PC800 RDRAM ran absolutely fantastic.
Then customers complained because Intel didn't have any new SDRAM solutions. So after the i820 was released Intel invented the MTH to convert SDRAM signals to RDRAM signals and back. This was slower, yes. It could only valguely be called emulation though. It was more along the lines of a simple hardware CODEC. And it certainly wasn't last-minute anything.
Uh... I did say "With the last minute addition of the MTH". So the reference was 820 WITH the MTH. When the 820s first hit the market, many came with MTH - it wasn't because the 820 was on the market for months and people asked for it after the fact. RD-RAM (which Intel was PUSHING because they would make money off every single RD-RAM module sold) was way to expensive... 4x the price of SDR-RAM... remember?
The end result is the same, crappy performance and defective expensive products.
From NFAQ:
Oh yeah, the 820 was crap, bombed and cost Intel and many PC manufactures millions in recalled motherboards.
From Slvr_Phoneix:
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Oh. I see that you can get it more wrong. The i820 was a great RDRAM chipset for the P3. It wasn't the i820 chipset that was recalled. It was the MTH that was recalled, which only affected the i820/SDRAM combination. (Which most people were avoiding because of the bad performance involved with the MTH's translations and because the BX could in fact OC to a 133MHz FSB pretty well.)
The 820chipset was CRAP, especially since it HAD RD-RAM. If you could recall, the 815chipset (the so-called lower-end model) with SD-RAM support only was easily faster than the 820 with RD-RAM. The 815chipset is still available today for the remaining P3 CPUs on the market. Even Intel's OWN WEBSITE showed benchmarks which put the 815 over the 820.
RD-RAM was about MONEY for intel, not performance for the end user. Intel burned a lot people and business with their attempted control of the memory market.
I HAD an ASUS 820 chipset with MTH, it worked like garbage and was SLOWER than the BX I was looking forward to replace. When the 815came out, I had no problems with those, went through 3 of them on my own main machine. (I still have an OLD BX system for testing)
More proof? What NEW boards from intel support RD-RAM? OMG - they're all DDR RAM, which AMD pushed for quite a while.
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On top of that, the MTH 'flaw' is a misconception that was generated by AMD fanatics. The MTH worked perfectly fine. It was the simple fact that a limited few of the 3rd party motherboard manufacturers were not following the specifications for the MTH. This resulted in a very small
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So ASUS is a company that can't correctly engineer products? I guess that would include INTEL, since DELL sysems are typically built with INTEL boards back then.
The flaws were not engineered by AMDers... I did not start building and using AMD until recently as 18months. All the reports about the problems with the 820 & 820-MTH are from sites like this one and Anandtech. It was comparing the 820 to the BX and the 815.
instead of just publicly blaming the 3rd party manufacturers, who by the way deserved the blame in the first place. (Okay, admittedly Intel didn't do it to be nice to customers. They did it to protect their image. Still, it worked out well for customers.)
It rests on Intel for making defective products. Stop pretending that INTEL doesn't screw up. The 423pin P4s were easy proof of that. And no, it STILL screws over the PC builder and the end-user. You have the BAD look of the manufacture and you have the down-time of the customer.
recieving upgrades to the i820 with RDRAM anyway (and if they didn't it was only by their choice since that was one of Intel's options), getting better performance without costing them a dime. So the recall actually worked out to the customer's benefit in the end.
The 820 with RD-RAM was faster than the 820 with SD-RAM, yes. The 820 with RD-RAM wasn't much faster than the BX with SD-RAM, and sure wasn't faster than the 815 with SD-RAM. Down time costs money, no matter what. What software was effected? Did the 820 board replacement match the features of the 820-MTH? etc etc
The whole MTH debacle is the perfect example of a company going out of it's way and bending over backwards to fix someone else's problems and then having the spin-doctors
Nope... it was about lawsuits. If they were interested in their customers (which Intel isn't, but then again, what company really is?) then the RD_RAM for P3 CPUs would never have happened?
"Yes, buy these new expensive boards whose memory cost over 4 times than the standard RAM for 0-4% performance increase!"
Needless to say, it was far cheaper to pop in a faster CPU into an older board... but INTEL hates that too.
Intel is a company that is the MASTER of the upgrade game, that is how they make money. And in the end, its just business. AMD doesn't make money selling Chipsets... they have to keep the costs down for support of their CPUs and which they have done a great job at doing so.
What Intel chipset on the market has support for a 600Mhz CPU ~ 2+ Ghz CPU (AMD XP3200), but on the same chipset?
It is in intels intrests to force their customers to UPGRADE boards. This is one reason I left INTEL. My 815 would not work with 1.1ghz P3 cpus (Of course, Intel was pushing the P4s... and even on THIS SITE's review, the 1.3Ghz P3 was faster than the 1.6Ghz P4), intel required a a mobo replacement.
Gee, if I need to replace my $130 mobo to buy a $300 chip, might as well go to a platform that has more life... AMD.
I'm not rich, but even If I could afford to blow $400 per upgrade (which MOST PEOPLE CANNOT DO), it would still tick me off to pay for parts that should work.
Hence... those who buy a brand spanking new Intel chipset board over the next month or so will not be able to pop in the next P4/P5 CPU... Trust me, Intel could have put that compatiblity into the 845/865/875boards months ago.
Remember, ALL Intel Lovers; remember to thank AMD in making your P4 2.6Ghz+ purchase possible! Before AMD became a SERIOUS competitor with their Thunderbird (Socket CPUs), the cost for my first P3-800Mhz CPU was $850 COST (About $1000 retail - same as the PII-400Mhz about 18months earlier.)
Now, a NEW CPU is about $600, but those that are SLIGHTLY older are in the $200 price range. Without AMD, we'd be talking about LATEST upcoming $1000 P4 1.4Ghz CPU instead of the 3.4.
It's funny that your autosig is the first unquestionable statement that you've made.
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