Intel Sues Nvidia; Nvidia Says Intel is Afraid

[DjEaZy]

UPS!!!

 

[falchard]

So uhh.... If you want an Intel, you have to buy a discrete graphics card from its competition?

Intel must be really confident with Westmere's integrated graphics solution to do such a bold move. I mean Intel Graphics are just so awesome.

 

[Guest]

Intel is playing dirty, I say stop buying Intel, they will ruin the computer industry like Microsoft did with the operating systems.

 

[DjEaZy]

... it would be fun, if AMD/ATI would not support Crosfire for any of intel platforms and nVidia would do tha same with SLI... and there goes intel gaming power... even when intel puts out tha larabee, this iz gonna be a new standard... because ATI an nVidia holds tha most patents in graphics industry... ok... it's may work well with OpenGL... maybe...

 

[hustler539]

Hmm, Nvidia is pretty brave considering they got blackballed from the game console market. If deals with Intel go down they can't exactly rely on AMD. At the same time Intel is feeling a little too high and mighty, trying to monopolize, reminds me of MS.
If Nvidia would put the r&d into developing a cpu we could really see some innovative creations and it would only benefit us the consumers and give them access to a larger market. Hope it works out in Nvidias favor.

 

[jonpaul37]

Ok, First of all, it seems AMD is already getting back up to speed with both their CPU division and ATI division...

The 4800 series Vid cards ROCKED the house and showed that Nvidia is indeed human. (though Nvidia did answer back, it just seems that they were running a little late...)

And the Phenom 2's are performing quite well, keeping up with Core 2 Duo/Quad and are very OC-able...

Way i look at it, it seems Intel and Nvidia are in a rediculous love/hate relationship. If Nvidia decides to pair up with Via and it works out well, you will see 3 things happen... Intel will fall to their knees and beg Nvidia, AMD will get a boost from this and Nvidia/Via will rock the notebook/netbook market...

 

[DjEaZy]

... interesting... why nVidia don't implement a VIA CPU in tha ION Platform? Tha VIA NANO for example? ... its maybe not tha fastest CPU, but tha atom iz crap too... maybe it's because of Apple??? Apple's last laptop line are based on intel/nVidia solutions... tha ION = MAC Mini? Maybe... but whet we talk about chipsets for i7... PLEASE, NVIDIA & AMD/ATI!!! Rip intel from SLI & CF... ok... it's easy to say... but wat is intel i7 without a pair of Radeon 48xx or GeForce 295... just a beefy CPU and thats all...

 

[danimal_the_animal]

Don't forget......Nvidia is really penetrating the market in other ways.
They just released drivers a few months back for the Linux community that enables the use of PureVideo HD (VDPAU)for most if not ALL Linux OS's.
This actually widens their customer base.
and since Nvidia has full support for the Linux community it IS the card of choice, especially for anyone wanting to build their own mythtv box on a budget.....Apple just bought into their 9 series for the entire lineup of products except for the mac mini....

I remember a while back that Intel blocked Via from making chip sets for their CPU's

you will not find a single motherboard for AMD or NVIDIA brand new off the shelf.

Via is using their own chip sets and CPU's and is trying to hold onto the ITX market right now.

Nvidia is going to have to team up with someone or start making their own CPU's

 

[rooket]

[citation][nom]deltatux[/nom]If Intel doesn't want to comply, then NVIDIA should work with VIA or AMD on this. It's Intel's loss. NVIDIA has a great bargaining chip at hand.[/citation]

*shudder at the thought of Nvidia working with VIA* That would become the demise of Nvidia imho. Make hardware better, not worse. VIA to me is the plague of motherboard chipsets.

 

[rooket]

too bad I can't edit the post, but why doesn't anyone mention S3? Their chipsets work pretty good and they are dirt cheap.

 

[Guest]

I'm confused here, Nvidia's legal argument is that we offer a better solution so it doesn't really matter what the license says/means? If I develop a better version of a patented/trademarked technology does that give me the right to ignore any existing licenses?

This sounds like marketing and emotional whining ('our is better', 'for the good of the people/indutsry we should be allowed to do it'). Is Nvidia suggesting that the actual license terms DON'T matter? And if they are arguing that the license still applies (which is their right to argue) what difference does it make whether or not they offer a 1x, 5X or 1000X better solution?(it is legally irrelevant).

So here's the question - what does it matter whether Nvidia's solution is better or worse... the only question here is are they abiding by the license terms or not? Nvidia only mentions this to muddy the situation up and try to generate the "big bad evil guys are attacking us" emotional argument. Just the facts, please....

 

[WheelsOfConfusion]

[citation][nom]rooket[/nom]too bad I can't edit the post, but why doesn't anyone mention S3? Their chipsets work pretty good and they are dirt cheap.[/citation]
Yeah, I've been wanting Tom's to review the new Chrome 500 line to see if it offers competitive performance in the price bracket. If it does, and the drivers don't suck, I'd consider it for making an HTPC.

 

[wicked-warlock]

This is what AMD has been saying for years. Intel manipulates the market competition. AMD was years ahead of intel when the first athlon hit the market. Fact is, Intel's been grabbing everyone's ideas. Nvidia should be sueing Intel. Just as the article states, Intel never had integrated memory controllers during that time to begin with.

Intel has always taken everyone else's ideas to make it better.

I persoanly like Intel, but lately, really getting tired of their manipulation of the market with power.

I like competetion, it keeps the market fair and sadly, Intel never for many years have played fair. I'm all for Nvidia. I'll be the first to buy one.

 

[foxmulder_ms]

[citation][nom]WheelsOfConfusion[/nom]Yeah, and AMD and Nvidia just happen to have practically cornered the market in discrete and mainstream integrated graphics chips. I'm sure a merger wouldn't look suspicious at all.[/citation]

After larabee, intel will be able to offer everything.. then we will see real monopoly. For a real competition, intel needs smt more serious than AMD.

 

[DeadlyPredator]

It's just a more verbose way Intel found to say "OPEN YOUR D*NM FU****G $Li" and "$HUT UP AND LET U$ CONTINUE TO $C**W ALL THO$E CU$TOMER$" Nvidia may hit Intel very bad with sli, ion and cuda because intel wants a monopol at any cost. Now, nvidia's 9400m in ION seriously make intel's GMA 950 as powerfull as a old ISA graphic when you compare both, CUDA allow computing power wich CAN'T be possible by a CPU unless paying a lot of time more $$$ and SLI make users purchase boards with nvidia chipsets...

The real question is will nvidia start to produce x86 CPUs? It's intel's nightmare... and they said that AMD and VIA x86 license can't be transfered with their company... but the x86 patent will expire, one day...

 

[DeadlyPredator]

Nvidia should not use that crap called "atom", it's just a complete crap on silicon like their gma 950 which won't allow a user to run IE, media player and live mensseger at the same time without lag. They should choose AMD's athlon neo, which is about twice faster, and not very much more expensive.

 

[WheelsOfConfusion]

[citation][nom]deadlypredator[/nom]Nvidia should not use that crap called "atom", it's just a complete crap on silicon like their gma 950 which won't allow a user to run IE, media player and live mensseger at the same time without lag. They should choose AMD's athlon neo, which is about twice faster, and not very much more expensive.[/citation]
Or VIA's Nano, which is also faster than the mainstream Atoms, if VIA is willing to let Nvidia make the chipset for it.

 

[DjEaZy]

[citation][nom]DjEaZy[/nom]... interesting... why nVidia don't implement a VIA CPU in tha ION Platform? Tha VIA NANO for example? ... its maybe not tha fastest CPU, but tha atom iz crap too... maybe it's because of Apple??? Apple's last laptop line are based on intel/nVidia solutions... tha ION = MAC Mini? Maybe... but whet we talk about chipsets for i7... PLEASE, NVIDIA & AMD/ATI!!! Rip intel from SLI & CF... ok... it's easy to say... but wat is intel i7 without a pair of Radeon 48xx or GeForce 295... just a beefy CPU and thats all...[/citation]
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-ion-via-nano-atom,7065.html