Intel To Support Cheap Ultrabooks With Low-Cost Celerons

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Trinity all the way...
Who would buy this except someone wanting use it as some OC/tweaking experiment that they don't mind screwing up.

 

[catfishtx]

As someone who owns one of these SB Celerons (G530), I must say it was not that bad. I bought it as a placeholder until IB came out. Well, IB is out, and an i7-3770 is in transit as I type (Hurry up UPS). I was impressed enough with the G530 that I will probably build an HTPC with some other leftover parts I have. It was the cheapest dual-core CPU that fit into a Socket 1155 mobo. WEI = 6.4. Not mind blowing but not bad for the $50 I spent on it last year.

 

[slabbo]

WOW, Intel sure has some loose standards on what they consider an "Ultra" book.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]memadmax[/nom]I took a stroll over to intels' website, because I knew that most of you AMD iFanboys didn't know what you were talking about....Depending on which celeron you want: 20-49 watts.... directly on par with Trinity... and the one watt difference on the lowest powered ones is hardly worth writing about....The battle of the Low Power processor is definitely on...[/citation]

Keep in mind that TDP does not translate directly into power usage. Just because something has similar TDPs does not actually mean that they have similar power usage.

 

[BSMonitor]

"Sleekbook" = Ultrabook - SSD.

YAWN!

 

[maroon1]

Do people realize that 17 watt trinity is also crippled ? It has only 1 module (2 cores)

Dual core SB (like those celerons) should easily smoke 1 module in CPU benchmarks

ALso, we don't even know that price of 17w Trinity yet.

 

[maroon1]

Also, I'm really surprised that some of AMD fanboys here don't even know that modern celeron & pentium are based on Sandy bridge.

Those celeron and pentiums are basically similar to Core i3 but lacks some features such as HT, AVX, quicksyn etc

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]maroon1[/nom]Do people realize that 17 watt trinity is also crippled ? It has only 1 module (2 cores)Dual core SB (like those celerons) should easily smoke 1 module in CPU benchmarksALso, we don't even know that price of 17w Trinity yet.[/citation]

Not really. Don't forget, Bulldozer based archs are good at not needing to reduce frequencies too much to reduce power usage greatly, so the dual core Trinity APUs might not have frequencies so far reduced as what Intel needs to do. Regardless, they will offer great competition because Trinity is now known to be a great leap ahead of Llano, Bulldozer, and the rest of AMD's former generations (the first such leap since Phenom II). Also, since Celerons and Pentiums are horribly binned, they probably won't stack up against even the i3s in power efficiency (and thus performance at a given TDP).

 

[jacobdrj]

[citation][nom]shafe88[/nom]I'm still surprised they still have Pentiums. You think they would replace the Pentium and the celery with an I0 & I1, Its kinda of pointless to have to have a dual core celeron and a dual core Pentium when their is about a $20 difference in price and the difference in performance is barely noticeable. Why not just make a single core I0 with hyper-threading and a dual core I1 with out hyper-threading problem solved.[/citation]

It is not pointless... A few years ago, Ford stopped producing the Tarus full size sedan. They revamped the full sized sedan line and produce the Five Hundred. The Five Hundred sold very poorly, despite being a fairly highly rated vehicle. A couple years later, Ford again rebranded the Five Hundred to be the Tarus. It sold like hotcakes. People didn't buy the Five Hundred because nobody recognized the brand.

So to with Pentium, and a lesser degree, Celeron. People know what to expect from a Celeron. It is going to be slower and cheaper than the main products. People know about Pentium too. That brand is associated with mid tier performance. Intel spent a lot of time marketing those 2 brands in the past, and they are living off that brand recognition.

Power users will always know what is what. But the average consumer has never heard about AMD, let alone Fusion (thanks again AMD Miracle Marketing)... They have all heard about Pentium and CERTAINLY Intel.

EDIT

And as a side note, these Celerons are not your pappy's CPUs: These are SANDY BRIDGE or maybe even IVY BRIDGE based parts. These use the latest architecture, and are either crippled or binned into these cheap ultrabook segments. Even a crippled Sandy Bridge can run circles around most Core 2/Phenom II based chips. Just look at the Newegg reviews on the bottom tier Sandy Bridge based Celeron. It is 5 solid eggs... People who buy these chips expect to get a crappy product, yet are often pleasantly surprised at just how good these SB Celerons are...

 

[jacobdrj]

[citation][nom]BeCareful[/nom]Be carful of the laptop brand you buy with any Intel HD graphics. Some laptop OEM's customize the Intel HD graphics drivers, and then the Laptop OEMs never provide updates to the OEM customized Intel HD graphics drivers. The Intel HD graphics driver update website will not allow updates to OEM customized Intel HD graphics drivers, as the intel website will only update Intel genaric HD graphics drivers. If you game or use some 3D graphics programs, You will need to be able to update your graphics drivers, and if you can not update your graphics drivers your software will not work properly.[/citation]
Meh, I have found out the hard way that this is even true with AMD Fusion based chips. Ticks me off. I was hoping that manufacturers had moved beyond custom drivers, that often cause more harm than good...

 

[SuperVeloce]

I have good experiences with Asus (intel and AMD, no costum drivers for graphics) and Acer. And then there is Toshiba, I dont know how it is today, but couple of years back it sucked ass.

 

[Wisecracker]

Intel is trying to find a price-point in the market where their OEMs will not be curb-stomped by AMD chips and designs.

BrazosT removes Cedar Trail from any real consideration. Moving from Bobcat- to Jaguar-core designs provides an easy transition for devices through 2013. Supply concerns? See: TSMC

It remains to be seen if there is a 'place' between Brazos and Trinity 17w for Intel to wedge out. AMD has over 90+ days of binned Trinity (with yields improving at GF, that has to be a bunch of chips) with an upcoming 90 day window to work along side final production of FX-Piledriver (Vishera?)

But the thing is ... TSMC. AMD has positioned itself in their established GF collaboration with a hedge against **Intel market-mass** by capacity. AMD can counter the Intel production advantage with TSMC capacity.

 

[alphaalphaalpha]

It is not pointless... A few years ago, Ford stopped producing the Tarus full size sedan. They revamped the full sized sedan line and produce the Five Hundred. The Five Hundred sold very poorly, despite being a fairly highly rated vehicle. A couple years later, Ford again rebranded the Five Hundred to be the Tarus. It sold like hotcakes. People didn't buy the Five Hundred because nobody recognized the brand.

So to with Pentium, and a lesser degree, Celeron. People know what to expect from a Celeron. It is going to be slower and cheaper than the main products. People know about Pentium too. That brand is associated with mid tier performance. Intel spent a lot of time marketing those 2 brands in the past, and they are living off that brand recognition.

Power users will always know what is what. But the average consumer has never heard about AMD, let alone Fusion (thanks again AMD Miracle Marketing)... They have all heard about Pentium and CERTAINLY Intel.

EDIT

And as a side note, these Celerons are not your pappy's CPUs: These are SANDY BRIDGE or maybe even IVY BRIDGE based parts. These use the latest architecture, and are either crippled or binned into these cheap ultrabook segments. Even a crippled Sandy Bridge can run circles around most Core 2/Phenom II based chips. Just look at the Newegg reviews on the bottom tier Sandy Bridge based Celeron. It is 5 solid eggs... People who buy these chips expect to get a crappy product, yet are often pleasantly surprised at just how good these SB Celerons are...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html

+1, but go down to the Phenom IIx2s on the chart and you'll see that they are right with many of the Sandy Bridge Pentiums and Celerons. You'll also see that many of the Core 2 CPUs are right there. The Sandy Bridge Pentiums and Celerons are a good leap ahead of the lower end Core 2 Duos, Quads, Pentiums, etc, but not so much compared to the higher clocked versions. For their budget range when each such processor came out, they are far ahead, but they aren't really ahead of the top Core 2 Duos and Phenom II x2s. They're all fairly close. You're underestimating many of the other processors. They're all fairly good and other your underestimating of some CPUs, I agree with you completely, for what that's worth, even if 2 cents isn't much.

The Phenom II x2s are right behing the top Pentiums that are at or near 3GHz and are in-line with the rest of the Pentiums and all of the Celerons (ahead of some Celerons and Pentiums, I might add). Core 2 Duos and lower Core 2 Quads are a constant presence throughout this performance range too.

 

[girlstoms123]

Some migrants are fleeing repressive regimes. Others are simply looking for a better life in a richer country. How many fit into each of those categories is a matter of deep disagreement between officials and migrant advocates.

Some Israelis worry that their national identity as a Jewish state is being threatened by unauthorized African migrants, who now make up less than 1 percent of Israel's population.

"It's the crumbling of the Zionist dream," Interior Minister Eli Yishai warned on Thursday.

Officials claim the overwhelming majority of the migrants are not bona fide refugees escaping persecution and war, but economic migrants looking for jobs. Israeli leaders use terms like "infiltrators," ''cancer" and "national scourge" to describe them, setting an inflammatory tone.

After the first rape was reported earlier this month, Yishai declared nearly all migrants to be criminals and said they should all be jailed pending deportation.

 

[halcyon]

[citation][nom]girlstoms123[/nom]Some migrants are fleeing repressive regimes. Others are simply looking for a better life in a richer country. How many fit into each of those categories is a matter of deep disagreement between officials and migrant advocates.Some Israelis worry that their national identity as a Jewish state is being threatened by unauthorized African migrants, who now make up less than 1 percent of Israel's population."It's the crumbling of the Zionist dream," Interior Minister Eli Yishai warned on Thursday.Officials claim the overwhelming majority of the migrants are not bona fide refugees escaping persecution and war, but economic migrants looking for jobs. Israeli leaders use terms like "infiltrators," ''cancer" and "national scourge" to describe them, setting an inflammatory tone.After the first rape was reported earlier this month, Yishai declared nearly all migrants to be criminals and said they should all be jailed pending deportation.[/citation]What exactly does this have to do with the price of tea in China or low-cost Celerons?