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[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]Vista wasn't a complete change in concept though...[/citation]

From XP? I'd say it was almost as drastic as 8 is from 7.
 
WTF? "for an operating system launch as disruptive as Windows 8"
What is disruptive about Windows 8? It's Windows 7 with a strap-on of MCE/Metro GUI App. What does Win8 disrupt ?

Android and iOS are disruptive by definition - cost less or free, are not as good as existing OSes (like Win7/Linux/OSX) but give users something they value more (easier to use touch UI and Apps in the pocket).
But, I wish MS good luck, would hate to see them going down because consumer will loose with lesser competition.
-IvanTO
 
I think Win 8 is going to put a butt hurt on both Intel and MS. Especially on the desktop segment. This would be a perfect time for someone to come up with a great OS for desktops and laptops. I really like Ubuntu (with Gnome UI), but it needs a better software ecosystem then it has now. I dual boot Win 7 and Ubuntu 12.4 lts and Ubuntu seems much more efficient (CPU/RAM wise) for things like watching movies and web browsing. But I end up using 7 (great OS IMO) for most things because the quality of many applications is just so much better than Ubuntu 'equivalents' (if available at all).
 
Big corporations ignore the fact that there is a global recession going on? They expect to keep making the same kind of profits as they did before that?
Get a grip.
BTW, just because your bottom line is a bit smaller than last year doesn't mean the whole PC industry is doomed. You just have to tighten your belts a bit, like everyone else, roll with the punches, suck it up and ride it out. People will still need computers, even if they buy them less often than before. Same goes for other corporations, like you.

"PC-doom" Gruener is back.
 
Windows 8's biggest failure is that nobody needs it. There was a logical step to take going from XP to Vista, although Microsoft blundered it with lack of Software and Hardware developer support, Windows 7 was simply a correction to Windows Vista. Very little under the surface was changed, just fixed for the mainstream out the box. Most big changes came with Vista under the hood.

Windows 8 really doesn't have a place nor a reason for being based off just what I've seen and read from the white sheet. Whether you love it or hate it matters not. There was no need to spend 3 years building Windows 8 for the PC at all since the focus always has been on the mobile platform for the OS.

I remember a year prior to Windows 7 all my IT professors and students were just constantly talking about Windows 7 and how much it righted Vista's wrongs. Now all I hear from my IT professors and fellow colleagues every time (and only when randomly brought up), is how much Windows 8 is the silliest thing ever. The groans around the room are priceless.
 
If they'll ever get virtual machine GPUs where they can use IOMMU or some other sort of pass through and get 90+% native performance I can relegate Microsoft's crap to a VM. As it stands I have to dual boot for games. Microsoft's Windows 8 has done nothing to help the PC ecosystem/economy.

Intel's constant innovation and attempts to make inroads into the SoC sector can do nothing but good for consumers, at least in the short term. Sure they might make a bit less, but as a previous poster said, the global economy is on the ropes. Are investors really so greedy that they can't stomach reduced growth for a couple of quarters? Normal people deal with no growth in their paychecks for years at a time.
 
I am looking forward to Windows 8.

I do not believe that serious enthusiasts are upset about Windows 8.

Rather it is the dumbs.... the people who can't figure out how to turn Metro off... the seriously stupid LOL KATS crowd who slurk along the mainstream pathways of the cybernet.
 
Windows 8 is awesome, I love the new OS been running it since the start of my dreamspark premium membership. For those who don't like change such as Metro use classic shell which has been around for ages. It changes it to Windows 7 UI with all the improvements 8 has on speed.
 
[citation][nom]chewy1963[/nom]I think Win 8 is going to put a butt hurt on both Intel and MS. Especially on the desktop segment. This would be a perfect time for someone to come up with a great OS for desktops and laptops. I really like Ubuntu (with Gnome UI), but it needs a better software ecosystem then it has now. I dual boot Win 7 and Ubuntu 12.4 lts and Ubuntu seems much more efficient (CPU/RAM wise) for things like watching movies and web browsing. But I end up using 7 (great OS IMO) for most things because the quality of many applications is just so much better than Ubuntu 'equivalents' (if available at all).[/citation]
The REAL problem with linux and OSX is that they do not support DirectX (which is what all games run on these days) preferring Microsoft's closed code platform to the more open OpenGL platform. As we saw with HP's experiment, an OS is useless, and is judged heavily by what software it can run.
 
[citation][nom]bison88[/nom]Windows 8's biggest failure is that nobody needs it. There was a logical step to take going from XP to Vista, although Microsoft blundered it with lack of Software and Hardware developer support, Windows 7 was simply a correction to Windows Vista. [/citation]
Well, they might do what they did with Vista... by releasing DirectX 12. All of a sudden if you want to play the latest games, you must upgrade to their new OS. That was the only reason people went from XP to vista, cuz Xp so support DX 11.
 
[citation][nom]southernshark[/nom]I am looking forward to Windows 8.I do not believe that serious enthusiasts are upset about Windows 8.Rather it is the dumbs.... the people who can't figure out how to turn Metro off... the seriously stupid LOL KATS crowd who slurk along the mainstream pathways of the cybernet.[/citation]
There's really no reason to "turn off" Metro... It's easy to config the system in a manor that Metro only appears at startup. I see Metro once a day...and that's at startup. Aside from that, I'm on the desktop until I shutdown or reboot.

Intel gave us an excellent processor with Sandy Bridge....leaving little reason to jump on Ivy Bridge knowing that Haswell is coming with a new socket.

MS gave us an excellent Windows release with 7 leaving little, if any, reason for most to "upgrade" ....

The economy sucks.....alot of people are struggling to makes ends meet. Which comes first? Bills or computers?...
 
I was around for the Win 95 launch and it was a similar situation. People did not want the Start Button and cursed the end of the command line interface (though it actually lives on of course).

It was harder also in that Win 95 had serious system requirements for the day and when $300 US bought you a mighty 4 MB of RAM and HDD's were sold in MB's not GB's upgrading was expensive.

People will adapt and the IT Industry will survive and grow as people get used to change. Win 8 is needed to bring the mobile sector to the PC which will help insure its survival. The internet bases its success on linking people together not just machines not matter how whizz bang they may be. Win 8 will do the same by keeping the PC with the masses while the Win 7 model would confine the PC in a way it cannot afford to be.
 
[citation][nom]Wamphryi[/nom]I was around for the Win 95 launch and it was a similar situation. People did not want the Start Button and cursed the end of the command line interface (though it actually lives on of course). It was harder also in that Win 95 had serious system requirements for the day and when $300 US bought you a mighty 4 MB of RAM and HDD's were sold in MB's not GB's upgrading was expensive. People will adapt and the IT Industry will survive and grow as people get used to change. Win 8 is needed to bring the mobile sector to the PC which will help insure its survival. The internet bases its success on linking people together not just machines not matter how whizz bang they may be. Win 8 will do the same by keeping the PC with the masses while the Win 7 model would confine the PC in a way it cannot afford to be.[/citation]u dont make a PC function like smartphones/tablet. You should make a PC much smarter than mobile computers, which currently Microsoft arent heading that direction.
 
[citation][nom]bison88[/nom]Windows 8's biggest failure is that nobody needs it. There was a logical step to take going from XP to Vista, although Microsoft blundered it with lack of Software and Hardware developer support, Windows 7 was simply a correction to Windows Vista. Very little under the surface was changed, just fixed for the mainstream out the box. Most big changes came with Vista under the hood.Windows 8 really doesn't have a place nor a reason for being based off just what I've seen and read from the white sheet. Whether you love it or hate it matters not. There was no need to spend 3 years building Windows 8 for the PC at all since the focus always has been on the mobile platform for the OS.I remember a year prior to Windows 7 all my IT professors and students were just constantly talking about Windows 7 and how much it righted Vista's wrongs. Now all I hear from my IT professors and fellow colleagues every time (and only when randomly brought up), is how much Windows 8 is the silliest thing ever. The groans around the room are priceless.[/citation]


Thats what Bill gates when we had (460kb ?)of RAM. That's what they said before we landed men on the moon. That's what they said about GUI's. That's what they said about a lot of things. Please, the worst thing to do in the tech field is be blissfully stubborn.
 
Also, Intel sounds royally mad about the boost that FX procs will get from the better scheduling.
 
Tomfreak

"u dont make a PC function like smartphones/tablet. You should make a PC much smarter than mobile computers, which currently Microsoft arent heading that direction."

The problem with that theory is that the mobile can do what the ATX PC can never do and that is sit in your pocket. Soon we will see phones and tablets that will support mini USB and mini HDMI out of the box. A user then simply plugs the monitor and a USB Hub into the phone and monitor, keyboard and mouse are ready to go. My phone is significantly more powerful than my first PC's and they continue to become more powerful. NVIDIA will push more powerful graphic solutions through phones and soon viable gaming will be on the agenda.

The PC had to go the mobile market and prove its relevance not the other way around. The PC needs to be bigger than before and play to its strengths. Multiple Monitor set ups and raw power etc. However 80% of the PC users out there don't require the grunt we do. How fast does one need to open a word document? This would be the worst time ever for the PC industry to become an island unto itself. Win 8 bridges the divide and takes the PC into a new era. For all our sakes lets hope it succeeds.
 
The biggest problem for Windows 8 is Windows 7. Windows 7 by in large has been so sucessful during its short reign that it was able to surpass Windows XP in overall sales 3 years and that's impressive considering Windows XP has been out 8 years longer then Windows 7 and was able to surpass it in popularity in less then half the time. Windows 8 with his modern ui controversy is not going to be able to compete with the highly popular Windows 7. The two biggest downfalls for Windows 8 will be being in direct competition with Windows 7 and it's Modern UI interface.
 
[citation][nom]hydac7[/nom]Just ignore 8 and it will go away if it worked with Vista it will work with this[/citation]
Not quite. Windows 7 is "like" Windows Vista. I wouldn't say Vista went away. Maybe Windows 9 will be the unbroken version of Windows 8, or at least the rest of the world will be more willing to accept the idea of Windows 8 by then.
 
Some people here are just unwilling to accept that desktop computers are starting to become less mainstream. This may seem like a load of folly, but think about it. The average PC user doesn't need the power that requires a desktop. Tablet and phone performance are making incredible leaps, and laptops are still around for x86. Just look at the Ultrabooks, tablets, and 4 inch phones in circulation.

The mainstream would rather spend money on an iPad, Nexus 7, what have ya then on a desktop which stays at the house. The world is getting busier, computer tech is exploring new form factors, etc are all pushing down desktop sales.

However, this does not mean desktops are obsolete. You have us PC gamers, office cubicles, and small businesses who build PCs. Hopefully desktops aren't wiped from memory, but it is inevitable that the popularity of desktops will decline in the future.
 
[citation][nom]m1n3kraft[/nom]Thats what Bill gates when we had (460kb ?)of RAM. That's what they said before we landed men on the moon. That's what they said about GUI's. That's what they said about a lot of things. Please, the worst thing to do in the tech field is be blissfully stubborn.[/citation]


That has nothing to do with the advancement (or lack thereof) going from Windows 7 to Windows 8. None of those things listed are comparable to the original statement at all. This isn't going from 8GB of RAM to 640KB, this is more like going from a wonderfully integrated and powerful well understood PC, back to an old fashioned ATM, but at least it has a touch screen going for it kind of mindset.

This is an advancement for MOBILE platforms, as I mentioned, NOT for PC's.
 
windows 8 is microsoft bob all over again.

expect worse than vista slow down in sales as people keep their windows 7 machines and continue to run windows 7 when they buy new machines.

its a good time to be linux / apple who will gain market share over microsoft tin ear epic fail.

i wonder is it too late to short microsoft and buy apple / linux stock, ok i'm not sure who you would buy for linux, but there has to be companies out there in linux eco that will benefit from microsoft's mistake

heck valve steam / source will soon be out on linux and that will hopefully push others like unreal and then game developers will have the option to more easily bring their games to linux

i mean other than office suite, multimedia, games and occasional home application like turbo tax what do people really use computers for.

now if the libre office folks can get their act together and deliver for us a good enough working version, right now they are like a bit buggy 🙁

finally, things like turbo tax can be done online without the need to have a local copy.

so i see opportunity for apple/linux like never before to break the microsoft juggernaut hold on home pcs, now if only the planets will aline properly 😉
 
Give me 500-1000$ 4-5 inch smartphone, with office/business capability, and docking support, and that's pretty much the end of PC, at least for most mortals. Yes, PC will still have its place, for us gamers, software developers, graphic designers, video editors, engineers etc etc. The biggest question for me is, what the new balance will be? When this scenario happens, we can expect initially 30-50% pc market will be gone. By pc market means any pc form (desktop, laptop, ultrabook etc). This is a huge number, and we can expect pc price to start climbing, and that will lead to a faster extinction of pc. Again PC will still be there, but at what price.
 
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