Intel vs AMD: The Why

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SAJAD KHAN

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finally i got a thread where i will finally finally get my answer...frnds plz plz tell me shuld i go for core i5 3570k or amdfx 8350....m a heavy gamer and a heavy pc user....within my budget i can selected only among these two....n my motherboard is as rock z77...plz i need help plz
 

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So, benchmarks run on the FX8350 clocked @ 5.2-5.6 GHz that destroy i5's OC'ed to 4.8 GHz are accomodated how with that logic?

Overclock.net

Has some cinbench scores into the mid 9s if you browse far enough. (9.4/9.5)
 

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If your mobo is Asrock Z77...that's an intel board.
 

SAJAD KHAN

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bro can u plz be more clear...m a noob

 

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Dude ..... your question only one very small % of PC equipment in the world and that is Home PC usage
I can`t say what the % Intel vs AMD are but if we put them 50 % to 50% now

Do you know how this % will be if we talk about Corporate IT HW equipment - servers mainly
I may be not accurate but i belive is not more than Intel 90 % and AMD 20 % !

For my more than 10 years work as IT Service Specialist i have`t seen AMD based Server !
That`s why i gave them 20 % :)

I`m not saying that AMD sux - my last 3-4 home PC was AMD - but 4 months ago i got my Intel i7 PC
The price is worth every penny !
I was for AMD but i swiched to Intel !

The debate is simple : intel for more $ or AMD for less and less performance
Take top model of AMD and it will make = performance with model of Intel that is 5 models DOWN

OK it`s cheaper and not so bad YES and will do Home Gaming - Yes
Basicly any 4 core CPU with 2,4 GHz will do :)

The rest is personal taste :)

Edit : i quoted wrong :)
 

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You're not accurate...more than 60% of cloud servers are running AMD architecture or IBM POWER in some variety, and in terms of Super Computers, more of those run on Opterons or POWER than Xeons. AMD also has a large penetration in educational institutions where cost of equipment matters as much or more than high end performance.

For my more than 10 years work as IT Service Specialist i have`t seen AMD based Server !
That`s why i gave them 20 % :)

I am not sure who you've worked for, but it must not be a company that deals with cloud servers, educational institutions, or supercomputers. Further, greater than 60% of linux servers use AMD technology

I`m not saying that AMD sux - my last 3-4 home PC was AMD - but 4 months ago i got my Intel i7 PC
The price is worth every penny !
I was for AMD but i swiched to Intel !

I am glad you're enjoying your choice, both are fine products.

The debate is simple : intel for more $ or AMD for less and less performance
Take top model of AMD and it will make = performance with model of Intel that is 5 models DOWN

You're misinformed, high end AMD CPUs compete with intel products as much as $100 more costly. Look at the data available, it's been provided many times on this forum in threads comparing the 2.

OK it`s cheaper and not so bad YES and will do Home Gaming - Yes
Basicly any 4 core CPU with 2,4 GHz will do :)

The rest is personal taste :)

Edit : i quoted wrong :)

That's more or less correct, I wouldn't recommend less than 3.0 GHz this day and age for gaming, but if you don't game much you can get by with less.

 

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I`m from Bulgaria - belive me or not - i`v seen only Intel Servers & Corporate Systems - and i`m agree with one think i have`t work in Data center or Cloud Company out side Bulgaria !

About the market share - i don`t want to argue with you but i`m glad that i found that :
It`s actualy 83% for Intel and 17% for AMD - comparing all the market - IT , Desktops , Mobile .....
I`m also shure that You`r maybe right - in the part that IBM and AMD also have theyr share
Maybe you`r have seen them more than me :)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20121106225537_AMD_s_Market_Share_Drops_Below_17_Due_to_Market_Conditions_Competition_with_Intel.html

About comparison - costly is the only think i agree on AMD
The only good products i can vote for AMD are VGA !
Again that`s my personal tase :)

And can you pls PM me an link showing 1 top Model of AMD CPU that is Outperform Intel top CPU ?
I`ll be glad to see something new ....
Regards !
 

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That's consumer solutions in general, not split up into server/desktop/laptop/mobile...

If you want links, look in this thread...they're all over it...showing where the FX 8350 beats the i7-3770k handily in many different things.
 


you cant run the AMD cpu at all since you have an intel mother board. so it would only make sense to get the intel 3570k. The 3570k is better for gaming anyway.
 

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10x for helped me to clear my point :)

Desktop CPU`s:
AMD FX-8350 - is it the TOP CPU - YES

Intel i7-3770k - is it the top CPU - NO

Intel i7-3820 - is it the top CPU - NO is it better than 3850 - Yes

Intel i7-3970 - is it the top CPU - YES is it better than 3850 - Hwo knows no one compare them .... pointles :)

My point :
If you compare TOP AMD with NOT TOP Intel the answer is clear - 8 core AMD is better then 4 core Intel but is far behinde the TOP one Intel !

Why they not bring out to the market AMD 38XX to beat Intel 3970 ?
They can`t right now !
 

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AMD FX-8350 vs Intel i7-3770k under windows:

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Under linux:

http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1210227-RA-AMDFX835085&sha=293f200&p=2

http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1210227-RA-AMDFX835085&sha=6dc05fb&p=2
 

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Intel i7-3970X must be close to be the faster cpu designed by intel. But the FX-8350 is not the faster cpu by AMD. The Opteron line used in workstations and supercomputers is much faster.
 


if you search for sh!t you will find it. And just fyi for kiks i searched "Toms Hardware biased" and it came up with intel too. Just because their benchmarks show intel being better more often does not mean they are intel biased, it just means through their testing, the intel was better. Im sure they have shown AMD was better in the past back in the athlonxp and athlon64 days. They just call it as they see it.
 

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thanks a lot mate,should i go for 3570k with no external graphics crad or should i go for a corei 5 3450 with a good graphics card,n my z77 MOBO says ddr3 does it means i cnt use a ddr3 RAM n GRAPHICS CARD with it...actually i have selected a ddr5 1 gb graphics card.:p..some one plz answer coz i have to place an order

 

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If you want help with your PC build, I would recommend starting your own thread asking for help. You might even put your native language in and maybe someone can help speak in your native tongue. :) Best of luck!
 

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But, when you read an article on Tom's, they legitimately list strengths and point out where AMD excels, where it competes, and where it lacks...

Read anandtech, they mention where AMD comes up short...and where AMD comes up short...and they mention later on where AMD comes up short. By the way...did I mention they point out where AMD comes up short against intel? I wasn't sure...

They talk about AMD like it was never going to have a chance...like it was an "also ran" before the race started. They write reviews like it was never likely AMD would even compete. That's BS, it's biased, and it's over emphasizing weakness of one, while over emphasizing strengths of another.

For example, if the most important benchmark in the world was John the Ripper, or any of the others where AMD hands intel it's rear end on a shiny silver platter...the anandtech review would read something like this:

"Well, in the ever popular John the Ripper benchmark, AMD was slightly ahead...winning by a mere 32% over intel's i7-3770k, but it's not that much really. Besides who rips DVDs anyway? Though, intel was far faster at itunes and lame and skyrim...look at these skyrim benchmarks! Hey, here's civilization V, another super important benchmark...look at the 6 fps difference! Intel is the greatest!"

I can imagine if you go read some reviews on their site, you'll realize it if you take your rose colored intel brand sunglasses off. You'll come back, re-read this and laugh until your side splits open when you realize I am right about their opinion of AMD and wonder how on earth you ever missed it.

Though the answer to that is simple really...people never see something that they're not paying attention for.

On the other hand, I can show you AMD biased sites as well...there are some out there...AMDZone for one is a little out in left field. They're a little too...passionate...for my tastes. They also don't really pay too much attention to what the numbers say. I cannot agree with that. While intel wins some categories of performance...no one can flat out say that they are just a superior product...because the facts state things differently when you do the research.
 

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Yep, only about $300 cheaper than the i7-3960x now...

But he asked for a world beater, not a CPU with good value. Though I bet you could overclock that thing to the moon with the build quality a limited run like that would offer...10 GHz OC with LH2 or LN2 cooling anyone? I bet that world record would stand for quite a while in technology terms...probably a year or more...
 

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Depending on what you're benchmarking it on, yeah, maybe.
 

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Not at 5.0 GHz it won't...also, a 20% OC, (mild OC) would be 6.0 GHz...no SB anything would run with that...

A heavy OC in the 40% range would require heavy cooling, but you'd get 7.0 GHz out of it...no SB intel will even be in the same ballpark.

a 5.6 GHz clocked FX 8350 with CF HD 7970s posted a 9.9 cinebench...show me a sandy bridge that gets there overclocked. If you do, kudos...because there won't be many, if there's any at all. Now, picture that benchmark run @ 7.0 GHz with updated instruction set. It would post an ~11 or so in spite of the intel compiler used in cinebench.

Intel makes good product, but it's not what a lot of people think it is.
 

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I already explained you which is my opinion about Anandtech (it is quoted in your own post). It has nothing to do with being better or not... You omitted the main part of my message and focussed on the minor part.
 

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Specially on tests using the Cripple_AMD function... and with the SB overclocked as there is no tomorrow.
 

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OMG dude :)
This is not even released and you judge them AMD > Intel .... LOL :)

The info is interesting let`s realy hope they gonna make it :)
But in the same manner i can say Intel gonna release 10Ghz i10 in 2020 Intel > AMD :)

 
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