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  • nvidia rules - my cuda pc is on the way!

    Votes: 1 2.2%

  • I only use nvidia chipsets and GPU's - go nvida!

    Votes: 10 21.7%

  • who cares! i just want a good pc!

    Votes: 28 60.9%

  • Intel is right to get even with nvidia for the SLI slight of hand!

    Votes: 5 10.9%

  • Intel rules! I only use nvida GPU's when i have too - the

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Total voters
    46


Hmm, how do you know that for sure, without seeing the entire x86 license including the redacted portions? If indeed, Intel is protecting its IP, that does not necessarily violate the license, despite what AMD is crowing to the press or anybody else they can convince to listen.

We should leave the legal conclusions to the court, if it gets that far, since none of us here have all the facts (i.e., license details) in front of us. Otherwise we are just buying into the corporate propaganda one side or the other is spouting into the court of public opinion, which should carry about zero weight in the court of law.
 
But this doesnt change perceptions. I agree with you. Ive been saying all along the Intel has the right to protect its IP, but they simply arent getting it here, by doing all this. And no one is going think theyre being picked on here, like AMD tries to do, and as nVidias CEO has said "nVidia didnt start this", those things start to add up. Its not the facts, which should be held seperate, but its setting a tone, and who wants Intel to mentioned along with Rambus?
 



you can smell liberal democatric fool when they first jump the words: racist, bigot or similar

its actually the way people think - democratic types or liberals tend to think with the right brain dominating. these people tend to have jobs that are less technical

its funny when liberal arts students make fun of the engineering students as being less broad minded when the engineering students take all the liberal arts classes too but the liberals students do not understand the math, physics and chem


while left dominating, conservative types, tend to be more paranoid and think of the possibilities of things going wrong -

examples you go from the burbs to city and the Democrats thinks of wonderful culture, sites etc the republican thinks of a safe place to park, which museum is in the safest neighborhood etc


my favorite part is the so called liberals always close down any opposition - such as my joke that make cpu in Dubai is some how dangerous to national security.

more examples

global warming the debate is done - closed mine - liberal view. conservative view - its caused by water vapor cosmic dust humans can not effect the earth that fast - i am not paying $500 month for cap and trade!

liberal view - lets let out the gitmo crowd and let them walk the streets and give them food stamps. conservative view stay in gitmo or go home no home have fun at gitmo

lastly

i love how closed minded liberals always tell the opition to shut up or, go back to where ever -- google the youtube video of the famous consvative march though the upper west side or east side (this was done for test and show how liberals act and think) and watch how so called liberal elite. spit, become physical, non verbal comincation with the finger and other forms of primitive repsonces to people of different views!

but alas its not your fault you born that way! a logical right leaning mind understands that!

you know maybe making cpu's in the middle east is bad idea after all!
 
Global foundries is a subsidiary of AMD. Due to the way the thing is structured it may or may not be legal under the cross licensing terms with Intel so it will really be up to the courts to interpret the agreement. It's the same kind of thing with NVIDIA, they had a cross licensing agreement and the whole thing is going to come down to how it's interpreted. It's a big mess really.
 
Thing is, would it hurt Intel that much, and its not going to happen that GF will have the ability or the opportunity to use the x86 IP outside of the agreement anyways, and nVidia? If their chips work, why not give the consumers 2 things Intel? Choice and a vote, as to whose chipsets work best by the best power around, buying power.
I believe most people will see it this way, regardless of peoples ties/likes/relationships here with Intel, and thats not good for Intel, and as Ive said, they just dont get it
 
i know intel will be fair and nividia will try to pull the "intel is a monopoly thing" - you have to look at the over all company and intel is a good to average corporate citizen. vs nvidia which is cut throat, nvidia was talking the cpu was dead a year or 2 ago - is that a partner? nvidia says intel does not know how to make chipsets is THAT partner?

love amd/ati partnering with intel -- ok my guess:

INTEL WILL MAKE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, A ONE TIME EVENT FOR AMD! INTEL NEEDS AMD AND WE ALL BE HAPPY UNTIL NVIDIA PULLS ITS NEXT STUPID MOVE!

ps: The EU can stick and use via chips and linux!
 
i know intel will be fair and nividia will try to pull the intel is a monopoly thing - you have to look at the over all company and intel is a good to average corporate citizen. vs nvidia which is cut throat, nvidia was talking the cpu was dead a year or 2 ago - is that a partner? nvidia says intel does not know how to make chipsets is partner?

love amd/ati partnering with intel -- ok my guess:

INTEL WILL MAKE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, A ONE TIME EVENT FOR AMD! INTEL NEEDS AMD AND WE ALL BE HAPPY UNTIL NVIDIA PULLS ITS NEXT STUPID MOVE!
 
"We claim in the countersuit that they have breached the chipset agreement by spreading damaging claims that we are not licensed to design chipsets for future processors and by Intel taking other actions in the market. Why are they suing us over products that we have not announced or offered to sell? Because they see the tremendous interest in ION and are resorting to every possible tactic to slow us down. ION not only displaces their chipset sales. ION also promotes the use of less expensive, and adequately sized CPUs. ION is a double whammy for them. So with this legal tactic, they are trying to slow down ION adoption by claiming that ION has no future. Instead of going back to the drawing board to build a better chipset, Intel is using their market power and legal antics like this to keep the world from benefiting from ION.

We also claimed that Intel has breached the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. It was clear from our agreement what each party wanted from the deal. We wanted to build chipsets for Intel CPUs, thereby offering products to the single largest segment of the graphics market. In exchange for the opportunity to participate in this multi-billion dollar segment, we granted them a cross license to our graphics technologies, which they desperately wanted. They are surely realizing the full benefits from a license to our patents. Yet, they are doing everything possible to prevent us from realizing the benefits that we negotiated for.

The bottom line is that we are license, and they have damaged us. And they have breached our agreement and should, therefore, lose the benefits of our cross license.

We didn’t start this fight, but we will surely rise to the challenge.
"
Thats ffom my link here http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/26/nvidia-fires-back-at-intel-with-chip-set-countersuit/
I think its only fair to present both sides
 
It's all about money! And market share = money. Intel loosing 90% of it's normal yearly earnings http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/15/technology/Intel_earns/?postversion=2009011521Intel profit sinks 90%
Making a bad investment in Clearwire, Intel, which invested $1.6 billion in Clearwire, plans to take a $950 million noncash charge in the fourth quarter because of Clearwire's falling market value. PII sales (sorry haven't seen the numbers as of yet). Nvidia wanting to start making CPUs. And the possibility of a multi-billion fine levied by the EU.
Well you can see going from $110 billion in profits to (est.) 8.2 you can bet Intel is scrabbling to keep there current stock-holders happy.
 
Oh, I sure that when these agreements were made, that Intel kept their leverage. But you also have to consider, just because you sign a contract, does not make it legal!
 
Its like I said, you reach a pinnacle, its tough to stay there. By keeping, or even appearing to keep your opposition down doesnt play well with the average guy. IM not saying Intel doesnt deserve to, but no one wants a city hall, where you cant sue them thing.
 
My knowledge of the law is somewhat limited, but the fist thing I learned is that you can sue anybody for any reason. You may not win., but in this case (and as we have seen with M$) if you can tie-up your opposition long enough they either go broke or they just fade away.
 
True, but from the sounds of this, either Larrabee or their igps and or chipsets could be in jeopardy if nVidia wins, and tit for tat, there shouldnt be anything stopping ION, other than Intels channel influence, which I alluded to earlier. I didnt know that Intel was using nVidia IP, as all this up til now, has been made out to be only nVidia wanting to sell chipsets. This is more like the AMD scenario than I thought
 



good read!

i love how nvidia keeps say their valuable patents when they pulled sli!

they (nvidia) are dogs!
of coarse in the old amd wars i signed off as:


IFB Intel #1 fan boy (amd is always #2) < wait is that what idid? pm me what i did!

Intel fan boy #1
 



losing 90% of profits in a depression yes this is the great depression II - i have named:

GD2

in GD2 losing 90% of earning ( still making a small profit) kicks butt compared to amd's 3 years of losses and lets take AGI

2T in losses, yes that's trillions!

keep in mind they are taking the money from us the tax payer, our 401k's and giving it too the loser that make the stupid derivatives contract
 
Check this out http://venturebeat.com/2009/01/28/jen-hsun-huangs-quest-to-spread-graphics-beyond-pcs/

Is this sounding very familiar? Think EU here now

Quote : " Q: Are they offering an outrageously low bundling deal of Atom and Intel’s own chip sets (so that if you buy them together, you get a big discount) that locks out the Ion platform?
A: I’m not an antitrust lawyer. But if you offer a product A and bundle it with a product B and price it in a way that people can’t succeed without the bundle, then that’s a problem. The product bundling prices we have heard from the market seem very alarming. If you buy product A and B, the price is lower than if you bought product A alone. That seems like a weird bundle pricing strategy. (Intel denies this claim) We don’t know anything directly. It’s worth some investigative reporting."

From here http://venturebeat.com/2009/01/28/jen-hsun-huangs-quest-to-spread-graphics-beyond-pcs/
 



ya he wants to make cpu's obsolete and have intel pay to help him.

while he is pulling sli, fighting intel and claiming atom cpu's should be stand alone - since nvidia is godemperor pf computers the gpu will replace the cpu and nvidia will rule them all. one gpu to rule them all!~

if you sell car engines and your compitior only wants the cam shaft are you obligated to give them your cam shaft?

nvidia should spend more time on making good prodcuts and less time on chasing intel!


go ati!
 
intel is no palm

what a scam that was when it was spun off in the tech bubble

Nvidiia buy the platform (atom and chipset) and toss the junk (chipset) and market you revolution (if the nvidia chipset is so much better it wil sell) - stop complaining!

 
Time will tell on this one. I just dont think its in Intels favor in the public eye for at least 2 reasons, one, they could come off as the big bully, and two, in this economic climate, people really dont want to see huge corporations suing right now, especially if its a controversy about availability and costs
 
GD2- now that's pretty catchy.
Unfortunately, we as consumers don't always get the best products that invented. We get forced to accept what the big dogs dictate to us. For instance Blue-Ray over Hi-Def DVD. Who's to say which would be better in the long run. But now you as a consumer have no choice. If you went Hi-Def, you might just as well have a Beta-Max for all it's worth.
 
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