News Intel's 14-Core Alder Lake-P CPU Falls to 8-Core AMD Ryzen 7 5800H in Early Benchmarks

[ingtar33]

There's no such thing as a factory OC'd qualification sample CPU. Regardless, source of the benchmarks:

"12900KS QS Non-OC "

https://twitter.com/x/status/1417527787695448069

View: https://twitter.com/OneRaichu/status/1417527787695448069


Not even going to bother with the rest of your post.

anything running at a 200W TDP is factory overclocked. unless you think 200W TDP is normal.

this chip is heavily overclocked (by intel) much like those 9000 series piledrivers amd released. it's the only way you can end up with a 200W TDP. and that's what intel needed to do to get to 5ghz. furthermore, the way intel calculates TDP means those small cores are rounding down that TDP number (probably significantly).

These chips will normally run a lot slower. bank on it.

 

[alceryes]

I agree with @PCWarrior. The test info is fragmented and appears to be comparing apples to oranges. The long and the short - it's way to early too come to any type of conclusion.

I like that Intel appears to at least be getting up off their laurels and responding to AMDs current superiority in the gaming segment. If this very early info is at least somewhat accurate AMD will respond in turn. Price/performance wars ensue - consumers profit!

 

[TerryLaze]

anything running at a 200W TDP is factory overclocked. unless you think 200W TDP is normal.

this chip is heavily overclocked (by intel) much like those 9000 series piledrivers amd released. it's the only way you can end up with a 200W TDP. and that's what intel needed to do to get to 5ghz. furthermore, the way intel calculates TDP means those small cores are rounding down that TDP number (probably significantly).

These chips will normally run a lot slower. bank on it.

"Reaching up to" and "running at" are completely different things.
For the 11700k for example it reaches 190W but it runs at 120W.
That's how intel intends these CPUs to run with the Power Limits locked, and it's also faster than ryzen even at those locked TDP running at 120W which is exactly at the 125W TDP rating level that intel claims and it's the same TDP that ryzen runs those same workloads as well.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-11700k-cpu-review/2

	Average Power (Watts)	Peak Power (Watts)
Power Limits Enforced	119W	188W
Power Limits Unlocked	150W	261W
5.0 GHz All-Core Overclock	223W	283W

 

[TerryLaze]

I like that Intel appears to at least be getting up off their laurels and responding to AMDs current superiority in the gaming segment. If this very early info is at least somewhat accurate AMD will respond in turn. Price/performance wars ensue - consumers profit!

Until now the price wars only caused the price/performance to become worse...
Now there is zero new low tier CPU you can buy from either company, you are forced to pay way more than you normally would or be left with old technology on an old platform.

 

[alceryes]

Until now the price wars only caused the price/performance to become worse...
Now there is zero new low tier CPU you can buy from either company, you are forced to pay way more than you normally would or be left with old technology on an old platform.

I should've been more specific.
I'm speaking of the competition and price/performance war as an eventuality. Supply limits have caused components to run at a premium for now.

 

[TerryLaze]

I should've been more specific.
I'm speaking of the competition and price/performance war as an eventuality. Supply limits have caused components to run at a premium for now.

I'm not that sure, if you look at intel's financials they made the same amount of revenue in the last three years (2018-19-20) while their profit margin went down from about 30 to 23% , which means that they did not sell less product for more money but more product for less money so this isn't down to supply limits.
At least that's my completely uneducated guess, it might not have anything to do with any price war either.

 

[JayNor]

Last but not least by having the same architecture in both desktops and laptops there won’t be software intended or optimised for mobile or for desktop.

Intel's oneAPI is providing both jit compilation and ahead-of-time compilation for fat binaries that could support different CPUs just as easily as supporting non-cores (gpus, primarily).

 

[TerryLaze]

Intel's oneAPI is providing both jit compilation and ahead-of-time compilation for fat binaries that could support different CPUs just as easily as supporting non-cores (gpus, primarily).

Just making something run is not the same as optimized, just look at all the console games on PC.