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What happened to intel HEDT CPU ??? no one is talking about any HDET from intel recently not even with PCIe 4.0
Intel has been struggling to catch up with demand for 10-14nm parts for years now, which coincides with how long Intel has stopped launching new HEDT parts. Chances are Intel has shelved HEDT plans until it can get ahead of demand for server and other higher priority parts.
 
Intel has been struggling to catch up with demand for 10-14nm parts for years now, which coincides with how long Intel has stopped launching new HEDT parts. Chances are Intel has shelved HEDT plans until it can get ahead of demand for server and other higher priority parts.
The only reason that intel started with HEDT was to sell more than 4 core CPUs to people, as soon as that moved to mainstream there was no more reason for HEDT.
Now,they have the X/extreme series.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/x-series.html
 

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The only reason that intel started with HEDT was to sell more than 4 core CPUs to people, as soon as that moved to mainstream there was no more reason for HEDT.
Totally wrong .. HEDT can easily reach 24, 32, 64 cores and HEDT uses Quad or Six or Eight channels memory ..

More over HEDT CPU has more PCIe lanes .. 44-64 lanes VS 16 lanes only .

It is totaly another dimension for desktop PCs.
 

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The only reason that intel started with HEDT was to sell more than 4 core CPUs to people
and intel couldnt do that with the main stream platform ? come on. they COULD of, but they didnt. they stuck the mainstream at 4 cores, and created the HEDT segment so they could charge a premium for those extra cores, plain and simple.

as soon as that moved to mainstream there was no more reason for HEDT
more like as soon as AMD made 6+ cores mainstream( zen 1), intel HAD to do it as well. they had NO choice now.
 
and intel couldnt do that with the main stream platform ? come on. they COULD of, but they didnt.
Sure they could, they could have released a 6/12 broadwell and later an 8/16 skywell at the same price as the 4770k and if they did that then now we would talk about AMD in the past tense because it would have killed AMD off completely.
The only thing that saved AMD was that the premium intel charged was high enough for people to choose AMD.

more like as soon as AMD made 6+ cores mainstream( zen 1), intel HAD to do it as well. they had NO choice now.
Intel had and still has all the choices, AMD has such a small capacity/volume of CPUs that intel can keep charging whatever they want, if someone needs a CPU they have to buy whatever is available.
 
Well, Intel did cut MSRPs on some SKUs recently, so its ability to charge whatever it wants is showing cracks.
Examples, please.
I'm not doubting but there are a lot of reasons for prices to go down.
Do you mean the promos for the 9th gen CPUs?That could just be retailers trying to get rid of the last stock they still have to make space for 10th gen and ryzen5.

All the popular CPUs from both are constantly sold out which means that they can increase prices if they want to, AMD already did so for ryzen 5, raised prices and also removed the added value of the cooler.They are still going to sell out on the first day because the demand is super high the last couple of years.
 

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Examples, please.
I'm not doubting but there are a lot of reasons for prices to go down.
Do you mean the promos for the 9th gen CPUs?That could just be retailers trying to get rid of the last stock they still have to make space for 10th gen and ryzen5.

All the popular CPUs from both are constantly sold out which means that they can increase prices if they want to, AMD already did so for ryzen 5, raised prices and also removed the added value of the cooler.They are still going to sell out on the first day because the demand is super high the last couple of years.
Intel cut their HEDT in almost half per core. Mainly due to better competition. Before AMD had a decently competitive chip they had nothing to compete with HEDT and Intel could charge $1K for a CPU that should cost $200.
 

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Do you mean the promos for the 9th gen CPUs?That could just be retailers trying to get rid of the last stock they still have to make space for 10th gen and ryzen5.
Intel has allegedly earmarked 3G$ in marketing for late-2020 to go against Zen 3, the 9th-gen promos should only be the tip of that iceberg to clear most leftover stock out of the channel ahead of doing "promos" for 10th-gen around Zen 3's launch.
 

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and intel couldnt do that with the main stream platform ? come on. they COULD of, but they didnt. they stuck the mainstream at 4 cores, and created the HEDT segment so they could charge a premium for those extra cores, plain and simple.


more like as soon as AMD made 6+ cores mainstream( zen 1), intel HAD to do it as well. they had NO choice now.
Intel didn't want to go above 4 cores on their mainstream platform using 14nm. We know that Intel was working on an 8 core Canon Lake CPU years ago that obviously never made it to market because they still haven't made it to 10nm on the desktop. Intel thought they were going to be on 10nm all the way back in 2015:



Intel thought they would be a on 5nm by now, so we can see how badly they have stumbled with the process development. If Intel had been able to stick to their schedule, regardless of what AMD has done, there's no way we would have been looking at mainstream platform topping out at quad core on a 5nm node. AMD didn't force Intel to go beyond 4 cores on mainstream, they already had it on the roadmap to do it on 10nm. With the repeated screws up with 10nm, Intel wasn't able to release their 10nm 8 core CPU which should have been out in the 2015-2016 timeframe. So what AMD did force Intel to do, was go beyond 4 cores on 14nm, which has contributed to industry wide shortages.
 
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Intel cut their HEDT in almost half per core. Mainly due to better competition. Before AMD had a decently competitive chip they had nothing to compete with HEDT and Intel could charge $1K for a CPU that should cost $200.
Yes! If intel sold 8 cores at 4770k level price back when AMD had nothing to compete with HEDT and only had FX then AMD would be history now.
Now that AMD has ryzen intel can sell octa and deca cores at mainstream levels.
Intel hurt their financials all these years by charging that much for HEDT and makes twice the net money now that they sell 8 and 10 core CPUs for cheapish.
Why are we talking in circles here?!
Intel has allegedly earmarked 3G$ in marketing for late-2020 to go against Zen 3,
3G as in 3Grand?! Is that still thousands?
 

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Yes! If intel sold 8 cores at 4770k level price back when AMD had nothing to compete with HEDT and only had FX then AMD would be history now.
Now that AMD has ryzen intel can sell octa and deca cores at mainstream levels.
Intel hurt their financials all these years by charging that much for HEDT and makes twice the net money now that they sell 8 and 10 core CPUs for cheapish.
Why are we talking in circles here?!
Ryzen does not compete against intel HEDT , Threadripper does . as I said Earlier , HEDT is not only about the number of cores , you get double to 4x memory bandwidth , upto 64 lanes , and much much larger core count upto 64 cores ... and yes AMD HEDT - Threadriper destroyed Intel HEDT , Intel just cant make anything near it today ...
 

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... and yes AMD HEDT - Threadriper destroyed Intel HEDT , Intel just cant make anything near it today ...
Terry's point was that had Intel really wanted to destroy AMD, it could have done so five years ago by introducing 6-8 cores mainstream CPUs while AMD still had absolutely nothing worth countering with. The only thing that saved AMD back then was Intel saving its higher core count CPUs for its Xpensive platform.
 

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Terry's point was that had Intel really wanted to destroy AMD, it could have done so five years ago by introducing 6-8 cores mainstream CPUs while AMD still had absolutely nothing worth countering with. The only thing that saved AMD back then was Intel saving its higher core count CPUs for its Xpensive platform.
well the number of cores has nothing to do with it , all what intel needed to do to destroy AMD was to lower their CPU prices to half for mainstream ... which they could but never cared to do .

Also , Back then HEDT CPU were much lower in frequency and overclocking and were not as good in gaming , also most games back then never used more than 4 cores to begin with ...
 

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