News Intel's latest CPUs run so hot that delidding has become common — EKWB introduces world's first AIO liquid cooler designed for delidded CPUs

[craigss]

So lets see the review where they do then?
look its not about the overall review score but its about a mainstream company selling a product that is specifically designed to work with a de lidded CPU, ordinarily a delid is a niche thing and very few folks do it so demand for this kind of product is small and left to the boutique sellers.
If that fact plus all the reviews that tell us you need to push the Intel chip on its voltage settings to get the full performance that you seem to insist is available at standard board settings then you are blinkered or deliberately ignoring facts to suit.
like isaid out of box plonk both cpus in certainly do the xmp etc tick and lets see what happens.
Fact per watt AMD wins every time ask the thousands of data centres who have switched for more details and power equals temp get that into your head please you cannot use power or do work without heat Intel uses more power to do the same work ergo runs hotter.
Lets revisit this discussion when the latest AMD chips go against the latest Intel ones remember by Intels own stance the AMD is a generation behind at this point

 

[sitehostplus]

it is funny how Intel has the thermal issues when AM5 was designed to run at 95c basically forever.

Intel really needs to stop thinking more voltage is the answer ;/

When you run at extra high speeds to begin with, you're going to produce a lot of heat.

The only real way to fix that is to somehow shrink the die so it consumes less power and creates less heat. That will require manufacturing processes Intel has either yet to develop or are too expensive to deploy at this time.

 

[fireaza]

Why did CPU manufacturers stop using un-lidded CPUs to begin with? I remember AMD CPUs back in the 2000s not having a IHS. I get that more advanced CPUs might be more fragile, and installation would be more complicated if it required the user to install the heatsink with even pressure to a specific Newton. But there must be a million ways to solve this!

 

[thestryker]

Why did CPU manufacturers stop using un-lidded CPUs to begin with? I remember AMD CPUs back in the 2000s not having a IHS. I get that more advanced CPUs might be more fragile, and installation would be more complicated if it required the user to install the heatsink with even pressure to a specific Newton. But there must be a million ways to solve this!

There's some back and forth conversation in this thread with details: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...-with-headroom-to-spare.3839720/post-23224952

TLDR is basically that it's cheaper for everyone in the supply chain.

 

[TheHerald]

Meanwhile a 7800x3d will do all that with less power and cores, I think your missing the point yes the intel chips can use more power,

No, I think YOU are missing the point. ANY Intel cpu that costs anywhere near a 7800x 3d smacks the crap out of it - even running on an Intel stock cooler. Yes, a 14700k on an Intel stock cooler will still be vastly faster than a 7800x 3d at anything MT. So what are you even talking about?

 

[TheHerald]

in reality if you were to look at the performance per watt over a similar workload then AMD comes out on top every time

Okay, challenge accepted, let's do that. Don't even need to use the latest and greatest, my 3 generations old 12900k will be faster and more efficient than your 7800x 3d. Wanna start with CBR23, Corona, handbrake, blender? Take your pick and let's put your claim to the test.

 

[craigss]

Erm I think we are talking about the 14900k here dude are you not keeping up with the conversation?
Great lets take a 2 gen old CPU thats the top of the shop and compare it to a CPU whose stated market segment is not designed to be the quickest in general purpose computing but is game specific, I tell you what lets compare the 12900 and the 5950 instead shall we?
So as you saw fit to quote me when we look at the PERFORMANCE PER WATT then AMD walks all over the Intel CPU and thats still true to this Day Intel just throws power at the issue its design is limited to this solution right now, AMD designs a more efficient CPU indeed many say the 5950x is the most power efficient CPU in history to date but the new x3d chips come a very close second.
New chips are on the horizon from both sides unlike you I couldnt really care less which one is on top as eventually they will role reverse, I wont ever buy another Intel CPU as I had a bad experience with a faulty chip many years ago but competition is good, I will leave you with the following paragraph from a contemporary head to head put your blue cap away and face facts physics cannot lie.

"Intel has made plenty of progress, but AMD still holds the crown of the most power-efficient chips. Not only do they suck less peak power, but they also accomplish more work per unit of power consumed. That results in an across-the-board win in power consumption, efficiency, and thermal output, so you'll end up with a cooler and quieter system. None of the chips in our faceoff come with a bundled cooler, but you'll need a beefier cooler to contain the Core i9-12900K than you will for the Ryzen processors."

 

[TerryLaze]

and face facts physics cannot lie.

But people can lie about physics.....................................................

If a review only states the PL (power limit) used, or even worse has power limits disabled, and only does one single power draw measurement, with prime95 or whatever sucks the most power.
THEN THEY DO LIE TO YOU.

Techpowerup measured power on every single test they did, the 14900k locked at the stated by intel TDP of 125W used 91W on average on a 47 apps test, the 5950x used 87W ,but look at the performance results, 71% for the 5950x compared to the 91% of the 14900k.

It is at gaming were the x3d CPUs have a huge advantage above the intel CPUs because the cache helps that much.

 

[craigss]

Are you on drugs?
Do you have someone who looks after you?
You have now strayed so far from the subject that I bet you cant even remember what it was, have decided you are one of those people who even when faced with an insurmountable fact that a sheet of paper is white you will swear its black just so you are not wrong and damn the truth.
Enough of my time has been spent arguing with a blinkered fool, "never argue with an idiot they will only try and bring you down to their level"
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[TerryLaze]

Are you on drugs?
Do you have someone who looks after you?
You have now strayed so far from the subject that I bet you cant even remember what it was, have decided you are one of those people who even when faced with an insurmountable fact that a sheet of paper is white you will swear its black just so you are not wrong and damn the truth.
Enough of my time has been spent arguing with a blinkered fool, "never argue with an idiot they will only try and bring you down to their level"
Unsubscribed

Sure I remember the subject, it was about delidded being mandatory, but the CPU comes with a rated TDP of 125W (150 for the ks) so you don't have to delidd it if you don't want to, you only have to delidd it if you want to run it at 6Ghz + all core.

Also yeah you should unsubscribe, from the internet in general, you get way too upset from somebody showing you a black page that you thought was white.
If you don't believe techpowerup to be reliable then that tells a lot about you.