Intel's Low End

[Grizely1]

So now your saying INTEL is better for price/performance? HA!

"Rip roaring 700MHz for $200!"
LOL! Try "Rip roaring 950MHz for $200!" (talking about AMD here folks)
Or try this one: "Rip roaring 1.2GHz for as much as P3 1GHz!"

 

[Guest]

It's cool Dr. Grizely1, I'm sure your PC is fast. My 700E cost me $170, but it does 980MHz@140MHz FSB on this O/C BX system. Never chokes, never freezes, doesn't complain about even the wierdest office, mp3, er whatever software, but that's cause it is Compatible. That 140MHz FSB gives my ancient GeForce a 93MHz AGP speed (2/3xAGP=93MHz... yah). OK, so I'm not even 1GHz (almost, but I'm so ashamed) I have to underclock to watch DVDs, though, cause the inlay card needs PCI33MHz/AGP66MHz to communicate with the GeForce.. Waa. Wouldn't do it if I didn't get AC3 (5.1) from the inlay card (berrrly nuf processing power to do it wid software decoding, dis wheazing sputter, sputter 980 MHz system). An' the Ram is doing 140 too...

So, What's yer AGP channel cyclin' at Dr. Grizely ???
93? 92?...88?.....er did you say 66MHz!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and can you O/C that AMD chip ?? I am getting 40% (YES 40%) more MHz than I paid for (Uh, Price/Performance. I think SO !!!!!)

 

[Grizely1]

LOL. AMD is much better for overclocking. I dont have the thunderbird 900, but they have been overclocked to 1200 with air cooling and no stability problems. Sorry.

My 750 is overclocked to 1050MHz with air cooling.

So, that's 1200MHz for $150. You do the math, Dr Clottan

 

[jg38141]

sorry- I can't just "trust you". Please name some programs- ones that people actually use please- that don't like athlons. As for the "rip roaring" pIII- that's just funny. Besides athlons are just as easily overclocked and although they may be hot, they can take it, and one can always get a bigger heatsink. I mean if heat is your reason for not getting an athlon, then you just need to work a bit harder at cooling it off. And the price of a better heatsink is nowhere near the price of a faster pIII.

"Are you saying that I can dodge bullets?"

 

[Guest]

Haha! AMD fans just looking at the pretty pictures, eh? Nobody goes with AMD unless they have done some research. If you're going with the 'pretty pictures', you're gonna get an Intel system. I love my Duron system and have had exactly zero (I counted them, twice even) problems with it. I had no problems with my K6-III before it, either. I will not say that the Coppermine isn't a good processor, either. It's the one processor by Intel I'd buy. I think it is great. But it was also very expensive when I got my Duron, so I didn't go with it. I don't need the extra power and I certainly see no need to use RDRAM. As I see it, the three things that have really been hurting Intel are it's prices, it's chipsets, and it's low-end (or lack of). If they would do some adjustments to the celeron to get it up to speed, put out a good SDRAM-based chipset, and cut thier prices some (which they have been doing lately), I would go with them.

BTW - I don't overclock (much). My games run incredibly well at the current speed, so why would I?

 

[bodhi]

Yes but I dont know WHY I should have to fork out an extra 30 for a cooler because the chip I've bought was designed by paraplegic muppets. I'll just pay the extra and buy a chip that runs fine with the chip that comes in the box, has the most stable chipset known to man (BX), and isnt bought by the holier than thou hardcore tech head.

 

[Grizely1]

PAraplegic muppets?! INTEL IS THE ONE WHO HAVE THOSE STUPID GUYS IN BLUE TIGHTS AND RED EYES THROWING PAINT AT EACH OTHER!

 

[Guest]

Why is everyone dancing around and talking about Intel's better stability and compatibility? Has everyone forgotten the MTH, the 1.13 GHz, and that whole bios thing with P4? It's not like Intel has a clean sheet with Stability and product quality. Both Companies have their problems. And Compatibility? what the hell are you talking about? I have a first generation Athlon and and a Tbird and I haven't come across ANYTHING I can't run, and I play so many games it's not even funny. I play ones from 10 years ago, I buy on average a game a week, I use emulators, and I haven't had a single damn problem yet. Please list some software that will run on an Intel and not an Athlon, unless someone purposefully designed it that way. And please don't start with hardware incompatiblities/conflicts, cause Intel has those too. That's usually more of a chipset problem anyway. Again show me examples, cause i really don't buy that crap.

Maybe the P4 will be some good stuff in the future, but right now it isn't any better than an Athlon, and since they're going to change the pins in 6 or so months, you'd have be an idiot to buy one now. Why not wait til there actually is some SSE2 optimized software before buying a mobo that won't support the newer chips. I'd rather go on current performance then promises about the future.

Speaking of forking over 30 bucks for a cooler, why should should I put out 200 dollars more for a processor of the same mhz and worse performance?

Please prove me wrong, show me an example of a software incompatiblity with an athlon, cause I totally don't buy that.

 

[jg38141]

What are you talking about? That's only if you have to over clock it- of course you can buy an athlon 900 for 10 bucks less than your chip and overclock it to 950 or faster easily with any half way decent heatsink. Personally I don't buy sucky heatsinks in the first place, so I really wouldn't have to shell out another 30 bucks. I mean, I understand why you're frustrated with these posts, after all no one likes to hear about the ubiquitous better deal after they spent too much on a lesser product, but your anger doesn't change the fact that a pIII 700, even O/C'd, is not a rip roarin anything. And if it was so stable you wouldn't have to underclock it to run dvds. athlon 900's are fine the way they are. The fact that you had to overclock your chip to make it worth while just goes to show how lame intel is. The majority of people don't over clock so they are left with a slow chip and less money. I mean you've basically admitted that a pIII 700 is only worth it if you over clock it. Otherwise you get gyped.

"Are you saying that I can dodge bullets?"

 

[Guest]

OK, grizely1, So your 750 really IS fast. As I said in my original post in this thread, I'd buy 'the next golden opportunity', ...'whether it comes from AMD, Cyrix,(Oh yeah, 'm sure), or Intel'

And, 'there are plenty of MHz for everyone out there...'

My purpose was to post a reality check to remind everyone that it's hard to get a slow computer these days, and I you actually take the advice of experts, you can really put together an incredibly powerful computer. The benchmarks are really getting up there, and it can be done for so little $, it is just plain goofy to puff up and say that mine is faster, or yours cost more than mine.

Bottomline is that I'm really happy with the performance that I got out of this O/C BX, and, though it is currently running sub-GHz (by 20 cycles), I don't feel it on the hills. Sorry I got caught up in the AMD vs Intel rage. Ya know, maybe I could inch up the FSB another notch.. the CPU is running at 40to50C. That's just shower temp, Silicon must be able to deal with way more than that ! Sounds like another adventure brewing...

 

[Guest]

Amen brother testify, TODAY the p4 with rdram platform and shakie code that give it crappy legacy software bench mark is just a bad deal. Maybe next year with the .13 structor ,non rdram platform with revised code it could kick ass what P4 ver2? Luckly for low end or what I like to call econobox buliders or upgraders there alot good choices. First of all if your building a new econobox from the ground up the duron is the best choice performance /price wise, the celron doesnt enter the picture unless your buying a god awful system from a retail outlet like a office store, if your building the system it your self or having it built for you go duron. If your upgrading a existing intel based system ,check your mobo web page and find out whats the fastest coppermine it will support and upgrade the bios. Any of the pIIIe's are a better choice, than any of the celrons (true sse1 support, mmx, and 256 full speed cache and 600,700,800e's overclock like a champ especially the new cCo manufactor PIII's).If you simple must get a celron because of cost make sure you get one of the newer 600 cCo manufactored because they over clock better. But In the LONG run the PIII e's are a better deal, even for "low end" upgrades, heck even if you have a slot 1 bx, and need a slotket, the performance boost you get will be worth it. That my $.02