Is 30fps good for Crysis 3?

[Death Prodigy]

I'm mostly used to playing games like L4D2, fast-paced first-person shooters at 30fps or lower. I'll be upgrading my rig to a 2-way GTX 780 Ti set-up, the GPUs will be overclocked and water-cooled.
I'll be playing Crysis 3 at 4K with maximum detail settings turned on, including 4x MSAA, and that would lower my framerates to around 30-35 fps. Is that OK?

 

[LordPonce]

I'm mostly used to playing games like L4D2, fast-paced first-person shooters at 30fps or lower. I'll be upgrading my rig to a 2-way GTX 780 Ti set-up, the GPUs will be overclocked and water-cooled.
I'll be playing Crysis 3 at 4K with maximum detail settings turned on, including 4x MSAA, and that would lower my framerates to around 30-35 fps. Is that OK?

It's all personal preference. And how are you getting bellow 30 on L4D, with 2 overclocked 780 Ti's? You should be smashing it, even at 4K

 

[Death Prodigy]

No, my current setup is on a GT620!
I'm talking about upgrading my setup with 2 GTX 780 Tis.

 

[LordPonce]

No, my current setup is on a GT620!
I'm talking about upgrading my setup with 2 GTX 780 Tis.

You'll need heaps of other components. Like a huge cpu, and a big PSU and quite alot of RAM. Or you'll have the worst bottleneck ever. You are probably aware of this, but being careful.

 

[i7Baby]

Yep - you really need to detail what you've got and what you want to change to.

 

[Death Prodigy]

Yeah, OK. I'll be getting an i7 4930k overclocked to 5.2GHz, 16GB RAM and an EVGA Supernova 1300W G2 Gold Rated Power Supply

 

[LordPonce]

Mr/Mrs moneybags over here. That's some hefty overclocking! I am not the most experienced overclocker, but are you sure you can keep that stable?

 

[i7Baby]

I hope he's kidding. There's no mention of water cooling or any cooling for that matter. Have you done a Partpicker list? We'd be interested in seeing it.

 

[Death Prodigy]

Yeah, I'll be using a 360mm + 240mm rad liquid cooling system. Again, this brings me back to the original question. Is 30fps a massive difference, from say 45fps scaling to 3x GTX 780 Tis? FYI I'll be using a 60Hz 4K monitor, if that helps, I think you shouldn't be able to see much difference between higher framerates on 60Hz, but is it possible to see difference between lower framerates? Like, there's not much difference between 70fps,90 fps and 100fps on 60Hz is there?

 

[i7Baby]

At lower fps any variation is quite noticeable. You might need to look at a 3rd 780Ti for 4K.

I think 4K is a bit too expensive at the moment. And it's certainly only any good on a large monitor (30 inch plus). Otherwise, I'd stick to 1080p where just one 780Ti would be more than enough.

Can you put up your complete parts list? With costs. It'll be interesting to see how much in total you plan to spend. Have you bought any of it yet?

 

[Death Prodigy]

I have a build plan... Not sure which manufacturer to go for yet. Undecided. CyberPowerPC, Origin PC, Digital Storm, Xotic PC.... Also, won't water-cooling + overclocking GPU allow for the same performance boost as another 780 Ti?
I really don't want to use up my budget...

 

[Death Prodigy]

Budget is $6500

 

[Rationale]

Yeah, OK. I'll be getting an i7 4930k overclocked to 5.2GHz, 16GB RAM and an EVGA Supernova 1300W G2 Gold Rated Power Supply

That's rather inefficient. At most you'd need an 850w gold rated PSU for that with 2x 780 TI.
Also, the performance increase from an i7-4770K to an i7-4930K is really not worth it for the price.

 

[Death Prodigy]

Well let's see (this is just reference, not final build)
System Configuration:
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 4930K 3.4GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Six-Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth X79 (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1866MHz Corsair Vengeance Pro (High-Performance)
Power Supply: 1000W SliverStone Strider Gold (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (ST1000-G)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Storage Set 1: 1x Storage (2TB Western Digital - Black Edition)
Storage Set 2: - No Thanks
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB (Includes PhysX)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: HydroLux Level 3: Digital Storm Exotic Custom Cooling System (2x Video Cards + CPU + Chipset)
H20 Tube Color: Green Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Fans: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Blue) (Up to 6 Fans)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled LED Lighting System (Multiple color options and lighting effects)
Airflow Control: Digital Storm Thermal Management Control Board & Software (Backordered ETA Mid-April)
Chassis Mods: Hailstorm II: Bottom Baseplate Mod (Cleaner Wiring Look & DS Logo Branding)
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
CPU Boost: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires High-End Motherboard Selection)
Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Memory Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Portable Gaming: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
Price: $5800
AND don't forget, I still need to add Dell UP2414Q to my order which would add another $1299, bringing total price to $7000 which is outside my budget. You see, I need to cut down on the cost in order to fit my budget, meaning it's impossible to watercool all 2 780 Tis cheaply.

 

[Death Prodigy]

C'mon, even though i7 4770k is not much of a downgrade from i7 4930k, I'd need the LGA2011 chipset to make full use of those graphics cards.

 

[Rationale]

*Shrug*
This is what I would go for. Feel free to ignore.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z87 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital VelociRaptor 1TB 3.5" 10000RPM Internal Hard Drive ($199.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($709.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($709.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill THRONE-Window ATX Full Tower Case ($164.38 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic Platinum 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($66.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($499.55 @ Amazon)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($81.98 @ Best Buy)
Total: $3647.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-06 22:27 EDT-0400)

 

[Death Prodigy]

Um... That's a DIY part-picker site. I don't know how to build a PC so I'm going with a boutique manufacturer and they tend to charge a lot more. Plus, I want that 4K monitor.

 

[Rationale]

Um... That's a DIY part-picker site. I don't know how to build a PC so I'm going with a boutique manufacturer and they tend to charge a lot more. Plus, I want that 4K monitor.

4K is not a reasonable technology yet. All the panels of 4K monitors are crappy and gimped to make them work at that resolution without costing $7000.
You'd be much better off at 1440p.

 

[Rationale]

There is literally no difference from 70 fps to 900 fps on a 60hz monitor, because a 60hz monitor is only capable of displaying up to 60 fps.

On a 60hz monitor, the difference from 30 to 45 fps is exactly the same as it is on a 120hz monitor, or 144hz monitor.
The refresh rate does absolutely nothing to the framerate, other than limit it.

 

[Death Prodigy]

I'm not buying a crappy TN panel, I'm buying a high-quality UltraSharp 99% sRGB IPS panel at 4K for only $1299 FYI

 

[bystander]

I'm not buying a crappy TN panel, I'm buying a high-quality UltraSharp 99% sRGB IPS panel at 4K for only $1299 FYI

For someone with such a crappy system currently, you have some strong opinions.

Quality TN panels are great for gaming. They don't make the best desktop/professional monitors, but for what they are made for, they are good (low response times to remove motion blur and lightboost/strobing/G-sync options to further reduce motion blur).

Now, I have a question about that UltraSharp. Does it have a displayport connection? Dell has been selling their more affordable 4k monitors with a refresh rate of 30hz. Make sure that is at least a 60hz monitor.

It's a choice, but from those who have both quality Dell IPS screens and quality TN screens, many of not most prefer to game on their quality TN panels. 4k may change that opinion a bit, as high refresh rate is not an option at that resolution.

 

[bystander]

There is literally no difference from 70 fps to 900 fps on a 60hz monitor, because a 60hz monitor is only capable of displaying up to 60 fps.

On a 60hz monitor, the difference from 30 to 45 fps is exactly the same as it is on a 120hz monitor, or 144hz monitor.
The refresh rate does absolutely nothing to the framerate, other than limit it.

That's not quite true on either account.

On a 60hz monitor, when your FPS go well beyond the refresh rate, you get more up to day partial images, which also result in tearing. The last part of the screen to be updated is newer than what you'd have with lower FPS, and when the next refresh starts, the top part of the screen is that more recent image as well. Of course tearing can be annoying to see as well, but there is a difference.

And having a higher refresh rate, with low FPS, helps in 2 ways:
1) With V-sync, you have more frame time options, meaning that V-sync will not have to make you wait as long to show the image when it is force to wait for a new refresh before it shows it.
2) Without V-sync, the refreshes remove tears sooner than at a lower refresh rate. The tear is there when a new frame is updated, but not on refreshes that happen between frame updates.

 

[mr91]

I'm mostly used to playing games like L4D2, fast-paced first-person shooters at 30fps or lower. I'll be upgrading my rig to a 2-way GTX 780 Ti set-up, the GPUs will be overclocked and water-cooled.
I'll be playing Crysis 3 at 4K with maximum detail settings turned on, including 4x MSAA, and that would lower my framerates to around 30-35 fps. Is that OK?

You might run out VRAM with 4k, I suggest 2x Titan blacks or a Titan Z.

 

[AEM]

You're really overkilling it on a lot of stuff such as the CPU which has been stated many times (which saves you at least $200). I would just wait for the 800 series with 20 nm architecture to come out which should help performance tremendously. As for 4K displays, you're truly throwing your money in a ditch. The technology is too new to invest so much money in it. Also I'm sure a $500 difference won't kill you since you'll be spending $6500 regardless.

 

[bystander]

I'm mostly used to playing games like L4D2, fast-paced first-person shooters at 30fps or lower. I'll be upgrading my rig to a 2-way GTX 780 Ti set-up, the GPUs will be overclocked and water-cooled.
I'll be playing Crysis 3 at 4K with maximum detail settings turned on, including 4x MSAA, and that would lower my framerates to around 30-35 fps. Is that OK?

You might run out VRAM with 4k, I suggest 2x Titan blacks or a Titan Z.

While not out quite yet, 6gb versions of the 780 and 780ti are coming as announced by EVGA, Palit and others.