Build Advice Is a 650w PSU enough for an i5-12600K and RTX 3070 Ti ?

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1) WILL A CORSAIR CX650-F be enough for i5 12600k rtx 3070ti ? NO OC and is it this PSU a good PSU ? i have found it in my country for a 87$


I have 2 options to pick from :

i5 12600K
MSI B660 MORTAR WIFI DDR4 MICRO ATX
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZ
x2 (1TB) M.2 NVME
RTX 3070ti
MSI MAG FORGE 100R
PSU : CORSAIR CX650-F

2) my second question, should i downgrade CPU to an i5 12400 and get the RM850X or stick with the i5 12600K and get the corsair CX650-F since there is a 50$ price difference ? should i sacrifice the cpu for the RM850X psu ?
CORSAIR RM850X=130$

i5 12400
MSI B660 MORTAR WIFI DDR4 MICRO ATX
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZ
x2 (1TB) M.2 NVME
RTX 3070ti
MSI MAG FORGE 100R
PSU : CORSAIR RM850X


PC IS ONLY FOR GAMING and maybe streaming

 

[Multyspeed]

IMO you should look for the 12600-non-K (in the middle) and buy the RM850X PSU. The 12400 is a good CPU, and there is no big difference between the 12400 and the 12600K (since the MoBo doesn't support overclocking)

And yes 650W PSU is enough.
There is one video that is showing the difference between the CPUs.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVc_F2G21g8

 

[kiss-method]

why are you buying 2x nvme right away? are you able to remove one for now to be able to fund better parts and purchase a second drive later?

the 12400 is a great CPU for the price. I wouldnt hesitate on getting it. Also the 12600k, you forgot to include a CPU cooler, so price for that build is even higher.

If you could save money somewhere temporarily, best scenario would be the i5 12600k with a Z690/z790, reasonable air cooler. If it takes another 2 weeks of saving, it would be worth the wait.

 

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why are you buying 2x nvme right away? are you able to remove one for now to be able to fund better parts and purchase a second drive later?

the 12400 is a great CPU for the price. I wouldnt hesitate on getting it. Also the 12600k, you forgot to include a CPU cooler, so price for that build is even higher.

If you could save money somewhere temporarily, best scenario would be the i5 12600k with a Z690/z790, reasonable air cooler. If it takes another 2 weeks of saving, it would be worth the wait.

1. for the 2nvme i can't remove one
2. why should i go with a z690 if i will not overclock the i5 12600K
3. can you suggest an air cooler for i5 12600k without breaking the bank
4. is the cx650-F rgb a good PSU ??

 

[autoblogart]

IMO you should look for the 12600-non-K (in the middle) and buy the RM850X PSU. The 12400 is a good CPU, and there is no big difference between the 12400 and the 12600K (since the MoBo doesn't support overclocking)

And yes 650W PSU is enough.
There is one video that is showing the difference between the CPUs.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVc_F2G21g8

1)i see , that's a good point of view
2)i've heard that e-sport titles games require cpu more than GPU am i right ?
3) should i stick with stock cooler of i5 12400 or go with an after market one ? is stock enough for gaming ?

 

[geofelt]

You would do well to buy the newly released I5-13400:
https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-13400-core-i5-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118430?quicklink=true
Here is a review:

Intel Core i5-13400 Early Review: Up to 43% Faster in Games & 30% Faster in Productivity Compared to i5-12400 at the Cost of Increased Power Consumption & Temperatures

We got our hands on a Core i5-13400 and put it through the ringer. Here are the results in both gaming and productivity workloads.

appuals.com

It will come with a stock cooler, and you could try that out first.

I would invest in a stronger 850w quality psu up front.
A graphics card upgrade is most likely in the future.
Here is a handy chart for sizing a psu:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
3000 series cards will have some high power spikes that not all power supplies can handle well.
How can you tell quality??
Look for at least a 7 year warranty.
Corsair rm or Seasonic focus are good places to start.

As above, keep it simple and buy a single 2tb pcie m.2 up front.
I like Samsung for quality.

On your questions...

1. Why do you anticipate the need to remove a m.2 device?
2. True which is exactly why I suggested 13th gen which has a 15% ipc boost vs. 12th gen
3. Thermalright peerless asassin is a great buy.

Here is a review:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se

 

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You would do well to buy the newly released I5-13400:
https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-13400-core-i5-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118430?quicklink=true
Here is a review:

Intel Core i5-13400 Early Review: Up to 43% Faster in Games & 30% Faster in Productivity Compared to i5-12400 at the Cost of Increased Power Consumption & Temperatures

We got our hands on a Core i5-13400 and put it through the ringer. Here are the results in both gaming and productivity workloads.

appuals.com

It will come with a stock cooler, and you could try that out first.

I would invest in a stronger 850w quality psu up front.
A graphics card upgrade is most likely in the future.
Here is a handy chart for sizing a psu:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
3000 series cards will have some high power spikes that not all power supplies can handle well.
How can you tell quality??
Look for at least a 7 year warranty.
Corsair rm or Seasonic focus are good places to start.

As above, keep it simple and buy a single 2tb pcie m.2 up front.
I like Samsung for quality.

On your questions...

1. Why do you anticipate the need to remove a m.2 device?
2. True which is exactly why I suggested 13th gen which has a 15% ipc boost vs. 12th gen
3. Thermalright peerless asassin is a great buy.

Here is a review:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se

i wouldn't go with a 13400 since it's priced almost close to an i5 12600k , like 15$ more which is much better even in stock , i have checked it on youtube yesterday
and if i wanted to go with 13400 i need to get a z690 mobo which is i guess expensive
i5 12400 + b660m ddr4 = 330$
i5 13400 + z690 ddr4 = 420$

1. i still haven't bought a thing so i can remove 1TB nvme , actually i mean one 1 TB nvme and not too i will edit it
2. IPC boost ? what is this ? but also the price will increase
3. is it better than the id cooling 226xt black ?
4. yes the rm850x is good , how long does PSU'S LAST ?? EXCLUDE RMA Since this is oversea buy

 

[kiss-method]

1. for the 2nvme i can't remove one
2. why should i go with a z690 if i will not overclock the i5 12600K
3. can you suggest an air cooler for i5 12600k without breaking the bank
4. is the cx650-F rgb a good PSU ??

1. Okay
2. Because everyone says they will not overclock, then a few years pass, computer starts showing age. At this point people kick themselves in the butt for not having that option of getting those 5-10 more fps (only example) when it starts to really matter. Z series motherboard will also keep a higher variety of upgrade options if it would come to it, meaning in 5 years you could look to pick up a used i7-13700k to get a noticeable upgrade and squeeze a few extra years out of the system. Yes you can stick the example 13700k onto a B series board, but keeping options open with z series.
3. PSU is decent. You can look through PSU tier list, and it comes up at Tier B in quality. I personally would feel better getting a higher wattage PSU, or tier A PSU if staying at 650w. But 650 will run the system.

--- edit
I would pick the 13400 over 12600k. But I understood from original post that you are looking to get best dollar to performance system.

 

[geofelt]

i wouldn't go with a 13400 since it's priced almost close to an i5 12600k , like 15$ more which is much better even in stock , i have checked it on youtube yesterday
and if i wanted to go with 13400 i need to get a z690 mobo which is i guess expensive
i5 12400 + b660m ddr4 = 330$
i5 13400 + z690 ddr4 = 420$

1. i still haven't bought a thing so i can remove 1TB nvme , actually i mean one 1 TB nvme and not too i will edit it
2. IPC boost ? what is this ? but also the price will increase
3. is it better than the id cooling 226xt black ?
4. yes the rm850x is good , how long does PSU'S LAST ?? EXCLUDE RMA Since this is oversea buy

It means at at the same clock rate, the 13th gen processors are about 15% stronger. The single thread performance is what you want most for games.
Those numbers should appear soon.

The id cooling 226 looks to be a good cooler.
But, if you can find a thermalright peerless asassin, that is a steal:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se Either will be better than the stock cooler if you want to go that way.

You do not need a Z690 motherboard. B660m is fine. 13400 is not overclockable.
Past that, gamers use the turbo mechanism to boost a couple of cores past what an all core overclock would do.
I might add that a good cooler will increase your turbo limit.

Overclocking is good if you have a batch app that can keep all threads fully busy.

 

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It means at at the same clock rate, the 13th gen processors are about 15% stronger. The single thread performance is what you want most for games.
Those numbers should appear soon.

The id cooling 226 looks to be a good cooler.
But, if you can find a thermalright peerless asassin, that is a steal:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se Either will be better than the stock cooler if you want to go that way.

You do not need a Z690 motherboard. B660m is fine. 13400 is not overclockable.
Past that, gamers use the turbo mechanism to boost a couple of cores past what an all core overclock would do.
I might add that a good cooler will increase your turbo limit.

Overclocking is good if you have a batch app that can keep all threads fully busy.

1) i see. I have a question can i use any different power cord for the psu ?
Assuming its an rm850x

I have a brother that bought a psu from usa and brought it to europe . But as you know plugs are different .
Can he use any power cord he finds in a store ? Those generic normal ones

 

[Multyspeed]

1) i see. I have a question can i use any different power cord for the psu ?
Assuming its an rm850x

I have a brother that bought a psu from usa and brought it to europe . But as you know plugs are different .
Can he use any power cord he finds in a store ? Those generic normal ones

Technically you can. The PSU internals should be the same. There is a "controller" for the Voltage that changes his values depending on the voltage - 110V/240V

 

[autoblogart]

Technically you can. The PSU internals should be the same. There is a "controller" for the Voltage that changes his values depending on the voltage - 110V/240V

I see . I have a quetion how to bring a motherboard on an airplanes without breaking it . All brand new
Mobo
Psu
Cpu
Ram

Should i cover them with bubbles or clothes ? The most scary one is the motherboard its so fragile

 

[Multyspeed]

I see . I have a quetion how to bring a motherboard on an airplanes without breaking it . All brand new
Mobo
Psu
Cpu
Ram

Should i cover them with bubbles or clothes ? The most scary one is the motherboard its so fragile

The MoBo is not that fragile at all. Use bubble wrap. Everything is in a box so that's another layer of protection.
A friend of mine brought me a mobo and CPU from the USA this way years ago and everything was 100% fine.

 

[autoblogart]

The MoBo is not that fragile at all. Use bubble wrap. Everything is in a box so that's another layer of protection.
A friend of mine brought me a mobo and CPU from the USA this way years ago and everything was 100% fine.

Oh alright and also for the psu ?? I do thr same ? And should i put these in normal bag or lugarry bag correct me if i named it wrong

2) i have an issue i live in a high humidity house . How can i protect my pc from humidity . Mobo and psu is putting them inside a pc case enough ??

3) also when your friend did buy mobo and cpu for you did he test them or no ? Because for me i cant test them until i get them . The person that will bring me doesnt know much about computers

 

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@autoblogart

1. Put them in a suitcase.
2. There is no need to protect them in any way. They are totally fine.
3. No. He did not test them. He is not a PC guy at all.

 

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@autoblogart

1. Put them in a suitcase.
2. There is no need to protect them in any way. They are totally fine.
3. No. He did not test them. He is not a PC guy at all.

Thanks man for the followup , the suit case is the one you take with you inside the plane am i right ? first time i hear that name

 

[Multyspeed]

Thanks man for the followup , the suit case is the one you take with you inside the plane am i right ? first time i hear that name

Nope. That's the "bag" that goes in the cargo section of the plane.

 

[autoblogart]

Nope. That's the "bag" that goes in the cargo section of the plane.

I am afraid of that since they get hit a lot . The bag that you take to plan with you is the one im good with


By the way are you from canada ???

 

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I am afraid of that since they get hit a lot . The bag that you take to plan with you is the one im good with


By the way are you from canada ???

Im not from Canada, sorry.

 

[autoblogart]

The MoBo is not that fragile at all. Use bubble wrap. Everything is in a box so that's another layer of protection.
A friend of mine brought me a mobo and CPU from the USA this way years ago and everything was 100% fine.

From where did he got them ? Amazon ? Microcenter ? Newegg ?

 

[Multyspeed]

As I remember - Newegg
It was back in 2015, so I'm not 100% sure.
The Mobo and the CPU crossed the Atlantic ocean and they were fine.
Just some advice - I'm buying PC parts locally because of the warranty. I don't want to send them back if they have an issue. But if there is a big price difference - that's fine.

 

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As I remember - Newegg
It was back in 2015, so I'm not 100% sure.
The Mobo and the CPU crossed the Atlantic ocean and they were fine.
Just some advice - I'm buying PC parts locally because of the warranty. I don't want to send them back if they have an issue. But if there is a big price difference - that's fine.

For corsair psu they have international warranty

For motherboards is it the same case ?

Gigabyte or msi for example ?? I dont deal with asrock and asus

 

[Multyspeed]

For corsair psu they have international warranty

For motherboards is it the same case ?

Gigabyte or msi for example ?? I dont deal with asrock and asus

I think they do.

 

[autoblogart]

As I remember - Newegg
It was back in 2015, so I'm not 100% sure.
The Mobo and the CPU crossed the Atlantic ocean and they were fine.
Just some advice - I'm buying PC parts locally because of the warranty. I don't want to send them back if they have an issue. But if there is a big price difference - that's fine.

Wasnt you afraid to get a DOA?? Since your guy didnt test

 

[KyaraM]

1. for the 2nvme i can't remove one
2. why should i go with a z690 if i will not overclock the i5 12600K
3. can you suggest an air cooler for i5 12600k without breaking the bank
4. is the cx650-F rgb a good PSU ??

1. Z-series mainboards have better connectivity and you might want to OC a k-series CPU later on, so don't count that out immediately if you get one. The MSI Pro Z690-A is a pretty good one and doesn't cost your first born, for example. The MSI Pro B660M-A is also very affordable and an excellent B-series board.
2. The BeQuiet! Pure Rock 2 is really decent for about 45 bucks. Cools a 12700K with an undervolt.