is AMD fx-6300 capable of running multiple VM's ?

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Currently I am running pentium dual core d820 cpu with D102GGC2 and 2 GB of Ram.

This system is running 2 virtual machines and the processor usage is high. System is running 24/7 week without shutting down.

However, when I do multitasking aside virtual machines opening 50 tabs in chrome and firefox it runs slowly. I assume that this system is not for heavy multitasking.

Now, I am planning to build a system with below configuration.

This system build is not intended for gaming purpose. I do not play games. Just running web browsers, VS studio, VMs.

Asus M5A97LE R2.0

AMD 3.5 AM3+ FX 6-Core Edition FX-6300

Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (1x8 GB Module) 1600MHz

Asus NVIDIA GeForce EN210 Silent 1 GB DDR3 Graphics Card

INTEX SMPS


I am buying graphic card because on this mobo no onboard vga is available.


How much performance can be differ from my old system to this new build. I chosen amd because of low budget?

is AMD fx-6300 capable of running multiple VM's ?






 
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I would start with getting more ram. Opening a lot of tabs on your web browser uses more ram than most things, except gaming. And 2 GB's is not very much. The problem is, your motherboard only supports up to 2gb's of ram. I'm pretty sure you can get a build that will work quite well for your needs for less than the build you have listed.
 
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Compared to your current system that build will be ridiculousness faster. The Pentium D, while easily the best netburst CPU since its a dual-core, was not a very good CPU and got beat by AMD in pretty much everything when it was created.

Here are some tips on your build:
1. Intel would be better if you can afford it. AMD's CPUs are nearly 3 years old now and Intel was much much faster when they were created, and continue to be. So you would gain a lot of performance using Intel, and save a lot of money on power. The difference in power would probably add up to about $40+ dollars a year running 24/7.

2. You want to get two sticks of RAM, not just one Running VMs uses a fair bit of memory so having more helps here, but 8GB will be okay. However having two 4GB sticks would be better than one 8GB stick because it would be running in dual-channel mode and double performance of RAM. This will help a lot with multi tasking and several VMs.

3. Do not buy that graphics card. Absolutely not for no reason. It is very very old architecture. Ifs worse than several integrated graphics cards. If your motherboard you end up with doesn't have integrated graphics, I would pretty much guarantee that for the price there would be a lower power higher performance card that costs the same or less than that one

In addition, if you go with Intel, they have integrated graphics in all CPUs now that outperform that graphics card. Literally, all of them do. So if you switch to Intel you will be able to add the price you imagined for the GPU into the CPU cost to help make up the difference.

The FX 6300 can do it, and will be so much faster than your old system you will feel like you went from a horse to a race car, but its still old tech at this point and Intel if you can swing it has better performance.
 
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I would suggest this build for you. It is quite cheap, and would perform well for your needs.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87X 3D ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($56.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury White Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Case: DIYPC Skyline-B ATX Mid Tower Case ($28.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($57.27 @ TigerDirect)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $420.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-31 01:30 EDT-0400

And it just so happens to be that motherboard is extremely cheap right now. Most people will tell you that a "Z" board is unnecessary. But it is only a few dollars more than another board I would suggest, and this supports a much much larger array of ram speeds, as well as has 6 sata connectors and USB 3.0 headers. It is well worth the few extra dollars. Plus, you can upgrade to some of intels most powerful CPU's on this same board.
 
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I'm sorry I have to disagree with you on this. I don't think he should buy this system. Given he is still using a Pentium D its doubtful he will ever upgrade his system after he buys it without a full upgrade to a new system. In that case, he should focus on getting the best system he can right off. While all the parts you picked are fine, its just that he would get far more performance with the FX 6300 over the Intel Pentium G3220, so its crucial that if we convince him to do an Intel build that the system have a faster CPU.

Also the 4GB of RAM will cripple performance with 2 virtual machines so need to be careful with that.

Once we get a budget from him, and what parts he is willing to re use from his old build, likely the case and hard drive, we can then pick parts and try to get a better overall system, I just don't think this one is the best possible combination for him.
 
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Yea, I was trying to give him an option for the cheapest possible build. You are right, we need a budget and list of parts being reused.
 
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Hi IInuyasha74


This is my build.

CPU: AMD 3.5 AM3+ FX 6-Core Edition FX-6300.
Motherboard: Asus M5A97LE R2.0.
Memory: Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (1x8 GB Module) 1600MHz.
Power Supply: Intex 450 Watt.

RE USED PARTS ARE.

System Drive: kingston ssd v300 240gb.
Secondary Storage: 160GB Sata (part from old pc).
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD Burner Internal (part from old pc).

In regards to "a lower power higher performance card that costs the same or less than that one" can you please recommend a graphic card? which one I have to chose.

Shall I chose 2 sticks of 4GB RAM or Single Stick of 8GB ?










 
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Lol I kinda laugh at the idea of an SSD on a Pentium D. Anyways those parts are good to be reused, and I am guessing the case also.

What is your budget for the other parts we can probably pick the best RAM, motherboard etc. for you. If its a tight budget AMD might be your best option, 8-cores are really cheap now.

For the GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131338&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130815&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

These two cards are the AMD Radeon 5450 and the Nvidia Geforce GT 610. Both after rebate are cheaper than even the cheapest GT210 card and they both consume less power probably. Even without the rebate there are other listings for the Radeon 5450 that are cheaper than the cheapest GT210 right off the market without any discount codes or rebates needed and performance is probably close to double the GT210 if not higher
The GT 610 has even higher performance, though it will cost a little more.
 
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Hi yasha

My budget is under $400 to buy the following parts, Motherboard, CPU, RAM, Graphic Card.

I am about to chose this configuration.

Asus M5A97LE R2.0

AMD 3.5 AM3+ FX 6-Core Edition FX-6300

Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (1x8 GB Module) 1600MHz 240-pin DDR3 Non-ECC CL10 Desktop Memory KHX1600C10D3B1/8G

Zotac ZT-60607-10L GeForce GT 610 Graphic Card - 810 MHz Core - 1 GB DDR3 SDRAM - PCI Express 3.0

INTEX SMPS


My budget is tight now if there is any alternative in the same range budget that gives great performance than this. What configuration do you recommend?

I am from India , Hyderabad. and gonna buy system in my city shop rather than online. If the parts are not available in local shop i will order online.





























 
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Using Flipkart this wasn't so hard to find better parts for you I am happy to say. I converted $400 into rupees and it said that was about 24,500 rupees. This build gives significant advantages over the other one. The CPU performance is much faster for one thing. Better RAM for another, and options to add more RAM later.

http://www.flipkart.com/intel-3-1-ghz-lga-1150-i5-4440-4th-generation-processor/p/itmdpgyx9fn9cgan?pid=PSRDPGYVRPJAYYFH&srno=b_4&ref=95183246-ab4a-4cdc-8a76-61313bf9cd41

http://www.flipkart.com/gigabyte-ga-b85m-ds3h-motherboard/p/itmdz86hqwvfzvch?pid=MBDDZ86AZ5FMB6WB&srno=b_7&ref=f610e85c-cf54-47c7-b4ae-3ed8559f9621

http://www.flipkart.com/msi-b85-g41-pc-mate-motherboard/p/itmdv3d6fmpkwdfd?pid=MBDDV376DZWTNGYB&srno=b_10&ref=f610e85c-cf54-47c7-b4ae-3ed8559f9621

http://www.flipkart.com/kingston-hyperx-ddr3-8-gb-2-x-4-gb-pc-ram-khx1600c9d3b1k2-8gx/p/itmdg5dhzha9phzs?pid=RAMDG5DHJMBH4XKG&srno=b_1&ref=74f823e4-3af2-4653-a550-d0b0cba12738

Please note I have two motherboards listed here. If you have a large PC case getting the larger board from MSI is best. It has a few features that make it better than the other one. Buying the CPU, RAM, and the large motherboard will cost you only 22,795 rupees and give significantly higher performance than the other system. The cheaper motherboard isn't as good as the MSI board, but if you have a smaller case its the best board for the money.

I am sure you noticed that a graphics card is not included in this, the reason is because the CPU has faster graphics built into it than the graphics card you were originally looking at. In fact the graphics in that CPU are faster than the graphics cards I listed also by a significant margin so even your graphics performance with this build will go up. Then you can save the extra money you have left over and later buy an addition 8GB of RAM which will help with the virtual machines, and later a graphics card if you need more graphics power, but compared to what you are looking at this is quite fast already.
 
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You should better off getting fx 8350 over i5-04440. Like on gpu in cpu sucks because when converting/video encoding. You cant do any other background application because cpu runs at 100%. Correct me if i am wrong.

 
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Yes you are wrong. The iGPU in Haswell is much faster than the previously mentioned GPUs in this thread and actually has special features for converting video. If you are using a video converter that is not optimized for it then yes your CPU will have to do all the work, but if you use one that is optimized for Intel Quick Sync it actually converts video faster than any other means possible, it is even faster than the fastest GPUs and uses close to 0% CPU usage.

In addition to that, the CPU is much much faster than an FX 8350 in everything, especially in converting files. Any tests done on the FX 8350 will show this, literally all of them.

As for not being able to do additional tasks at the same time, you can change the number of threads used by most converters, so by setting it to only use 2 or 3 threads you would actually have faster performance than the FX 8350 probably and still be able to do any background task at the same time.

Saying the FX 8350 is better for any reason over any 2nd Gen Intel i5 or better is about as correct as saying 1GB of RAM is better than 8GB. Its very very wrong.
 
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Without too much stress on CPU iGPU can no longer survive in speed and performance comparison. I didn't say iGPU is slower. However, if you depends on iGPU and expecting faster video conversion. One has to sit and watch when conversion is in progress and do nothing. Even with FX-6300 having decent graphic card is better in terms of multi tasking because thread title clearly shows the person need multitasking. CPU will under heavy stress if one running vms and browsing.

And you have suggested i5-4440 over fx 6300. but the price is almost 40% higher than fx6300. Investing that money in fx8350 isn't better than i5-4440? If we skip iGPU





 
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No that isnt true.
 
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It's important to remember that, as a general rule of thumb, one virtual processor occupies one thread from the physical processor, so a multi-threaded processor will bring greater benefits. You may find that a quad-core (four threads) i5 runs out of steam pretty quickly.

If VMs are the priority then an FX-6xxx or FX-8xxx processor makes the most sense, given they have six and eight threads respectively. The only issue with the FX-8xxx is the high energy usage, which isn't ideal for a 24/7 machine.
 
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This looks like a reason.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core&id=1780

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4440S+%40+2.80GHz&id=2119

Even in single thread performance, the 4440 is only 350 points more than the 8350 (1509 vs 1852). I think you are vastly under estimating the capabilities of AMD for this situation.
 
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Hi all

I ended up buying below config.

asus m5a97 le r2.0
amd fx 6300
hyperx fury 2x8gb 1866mhz
geforce 210
wd 500gb blue
SMPS 400w


4 virtual machines 24/7 its been 2 weeks without any problem.




 
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