[SOLVED] Is My CPU Dying?

[Parker Le Nerd]

Hi all, I have recently been having some problems with my CPU running at pretty high temps and it has resulted in my pc giving me the bsod many times in a row and making my pc unusable at times.

Long story short I decided to Try to OC my R5 3600 to 4.15ghz and after following lots of guides I got it to the lowest voltage I could, which was 1.33v. Many told me this was way to high but my cpu would idle at 1.4v+ at stock settings for some reason so it gave me a temp decrease and a performance bump (also when I tried anything lower it would bsod the second I put it under any sort of load)

Cut to 8 months latter and I got a new cooler, the Lian Li Galahad 240, and my temps are running nice and cool (35-40c Idle and 55-65c under load). I noticed that the CPU always ran a bit hotter than my friends (3 of us have identical hardware builds except GPU's and coolers) so as time goes on it starts running hotter and hotter, I decided to repaste and it only fixes the problem a tiny bit and less than 30min after turning my pc on my cpu is idling at 55c+ and it got to the point in the last month where my PC would blue screen. It somtimes got so bad that it would bsod off boot the second I logged in after it restarted leading to 3-4 bsod back to back before I had to shut off the pc and walk away. When I boot up the pc the pump sounds to be and seems to running just fine and when I put the fans to 100% it can cool my cpu off relatively fast but it still runs much hotter than it should. I decided to turn off the OC to see if that helps and the blue screens stoped for now but at the time of writing all I have open is firefox and spotify and the CPU is at 66c (20% utilization and 1.44v-1.47v) and the cooler is at 100%fan speed.

I am woried that my CPU is dying in some way causing it to run much hotter than it should be and in turn causing other problems on my pc. If anyone could give me some tips or insite to this I'd appritiate it. I am thinking of just buying a new CPU but I want to make sure that will solve the problem before I drop a few hundred on a new one. Thanks for your help.

System:
Ryzen 5 3600 (Lian Li Galahad 240 AIO)
Asus X570 Wifi
32gb ram
Rtx 3070
Corsair 750watt psu

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Hey there,

What paste did you use on the CPU?

Your current voltage at 1.4-1.47 at idle is far too much. It should be running in the region of 1.28 ish to 1.3 or so.

Have you reset your bios to defaults/cmos clear? Is your bios up to date too?

 

[drea.drechsler]

Hi all, I have recently been having some problems with my CPU running at pretty high temps and it has resulted in my pc giving me the bsod many times in a row and making my pc unusable at times.

Long story short I decided to Try to OC my R5 3600 to 4.15ghz and after following lots of guides I got it to the lowest voltage I could, which was 1.33v. Many told me this was way to high but my cpu would idle at 1.4v+ at stock settings for some reason so it gave me a temp decrease and a performance bump (also when I tried anything lower it would bsod the second I put it under any sort of load)

Cut to 8 months latter and I got a new cooler, the Lian Li Galahad 240, and my temps are running nice and cool (35-40c Idle and 55-65c under load). I noticed that the CPU always ran a bit hotter than my friends (3 of us have identical hardware builds except GPU's and coolers) so as time goes on it starts running hotter and hotter, I decided to repaste and it only fixes the problem a tiny bit and less than 30min after turning my pc on my cpu is idling at 55c+ and it got to the point in the last month where my PC would blue screen. It somtimes got so bad that it would bsod off boot the second I logged in after it restarted leading to 3-4 bsod back to back before I had to shut off the pc and walk away. When I boot up the pc the pump sounds to be and seems to running just fine and when I put the fans to 100% it can cool my cpu off relatively fast but it still runs much hotter than it should. I decided to turn off the OC to see if that helps and the blue screens stoped for now but at the time of writing all I have open is firefox and spotify and the CPU is at 66c (20% utilization and 1.44v-1.47v) and the cooler is at 100%fan speed.

I am woried that my CPU is dying in some way causing it to run much hotter than it should be and in turn causing other problems on my pc. If anyone could give me some tips or insite to this I'd appritiate it. I am thinking of just buying a new CPU but I want to make sure that will solve the problem before I drop a few hundred on a new one. Thanks for your help.

System:
Ryzen 5 3600 (Lian Li Galahad 240 AIO)
Asus X570 Wifi
32gb ram
Rtx 3070
Corsair 750watt psu

The first thing to keep these things in mind: Voltage is not what 'kills' your CPU, it is heat and core current that kills your CPU. Voltage is just a knob we can turn to reduce heat if we don't want to reduce clocks.

Ryzen 3600's are rated to operate up to 95C so the heat your under-clock produced is very minor, so minor that even a fixed voltage of 1.33V shouldn't harm it.

When set up stock, the way Ryzen works is it boosts single cores at a time to a high clock only in light bursty workload. It might raise voltage as high as 1.5V when doing that but it can because temperature is still very low. When temp starts to rise, the algorithm reduces both the boost clocks and the voltage to keep it safe. It's specifically designed to do this, it knows the safe voltage limits at all temperatures and core currents and adjust the voltage and frequency as necessary to stay within those limits.

So the thing to do is simply set everything back to AUTO...clocks and CPU core voltage. You've not likely harmed it at all, but you're not helping it either.

If you've been getting BSOD's you might run SFC/SCANNOW from a command prompt and let it fix up windows system file corruption.

 

[Parker Le Nerd]

The first thing to keep these things in mind: Voltage is not what 'kills' your CPU, it is heat and core current that kills your CPU. Voltage is just a knob we can turn to reduce heat if we don't want to reduce clocks.

Ryzen 3600's are rated to operate up to 95C so the heat your under-clock produced is very minor, so minor that even a fixed voltage of 1.33V shouldn't harm it.

When set up stock, the way Ryzen works is it boosts single cores at a time to a high clock only in light bursty workload. It might raise voltage as high as 1.5V when doing that but it can because temperature is still very low. When temp starts to rise, the algorithm reduces both the boost clocks and the voltage to keep it safe. It's specifically designed to do this, it knows the safe voltage limits at all temperatures and core currents and adjust the voltage and frequency as necessary to stay within those limits.

So the thing to do is simply set everything back to AUTO...clocks and CPU core voltage. You've not likely harmed it at all, but you're not helping it either.

If you've been getting BSOD's you might run SFC/SCANNOW from a command prompt and let it fix up windows system file corruption.

Hey, thanks for all of the info, it really helped.
So my question is does that mean my underclock became unstable? and if so how would I fix it? I know that BSOD or system resets can be caused by unstable over/under clocks, and that seems to be the case as sfc/scannow shows nothing. my concern is that the CPU is running at 60c (all cores pinned above 4ghz at 1.4v+) while running very simple programs. I have pbo turned on but when I compare it to my mate's builds, they are getting better temps and cinebench scores while running with the same CPU clock settings (stock with pbo active).
I know that each CPU runs a bit differently but it's a bit worrying that mine is running in such a weird way.

 

[Parker Le Nerd]

Hey there,

What paste did you use on the CPU?

Your current voltage at 1.4-1.47 at idle is far too much. It should be running in the region of 1.28 ish to 1.3 or so.

Have you reset your bios to defaults/cmos clear? Is your bios up to date too?

Hey,
I used thermal grizzly kryonaut so my paste shouldn't be the problem. I agree that being pinned at 1.4v+ is too much but that is what my CPU is doing when it's set to run stock. As far as I know, my bios is up to date as I updated it earlier this year.

 

[drea.drechsler]

Hey, thanks for all of the info, it really helped.
So my question is does that mean my underclock became unstable?
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Yes. Why is hard to say as when your on the borderline it's really just like being balanced on a knife edge. So a slight increase in voltage, or drop in clocks, might help stability during heavy processing which would be when it BSOD's. But leaving at any fixed voltage means the CPU NEVER gets the benefit of even lower voltage during light processing, which is most of the time, when the algorithm would bring it back to under 1.000 volt.

And heavy processing doesn't need to be Prime95. Even in a simple program there can be a single thread of execution that has a brief period of high activity, just enough to make a single core go unstable if voltage is too low.

 

[Parker Le Nerd]

Yes. Why is hard to say as when your on the borderline it's really just like being balanced on a knife edge. So a slight increase in voltage, or drop in clocks, might help stability during heavy processing which would be when it BSOD's. But leaving at any fixed voltage means the CPU NEVER gets the benefit of even lower voltage during light processing, which is most of the time, when the algorithm would bring it back to under 1.000 volt.

And heavy processing doesn't need to be Prime95. Even in a simple program there can be a single thread of execution that has a brief period of high activity, just enough to make a single core go unstable if voltage is too low.

gotcha, so would it be worth trying to lower the voltage offset so that the CPU can control its speeds and voltages but should overall run cooler?

 

[drea.drechsler]

gotcha, so would it be worth trying to lower the voltage offset so that the CPU can control its speeds and voltages but should overall run cooler?

I'm not sure what you mean...

If you mean use a voltage offset for VCore instead of a fixed voltage yes; use a negative offset. What I'd do is set your fixed underclock, then start with a negative offset...something like -0.125. That's pretty low, then run Prime95 for 10 min's or so. If it holds, lower it a few more notches and try again. Repeat. If it crashes right off then go up a couple notches try again. Once it holds for 10 min's try to run it for half hour at least.

But with a fixed underclock it will never vary clocks, only VCore.

Personally, I think Prime95 is excessive. If you insist on it (some do) then at least disable AVX instructions. I'd use Cinebench23 running constantly

 

[maikutech]

Hey,
I used thermal grizzly kryonaut so my paste shouldn't be the problem. I agree that being pinned at 1.4v+ is too much but that is what my CPU is doing when it's set to run stock. As far as I know, my bios is up to date as I updated it earlier this year.

If you let that amd chip run on over clock 24/7, yes you are right, it will shorten its life span to where it will die out sooner then expected.
If I were you, I would go over to overclockers.com ask them for direct help for setting up auto overclock.

https://www.overclockers.com/forums/

So that way when your cpu needs whatever speed it wants for open programs, games. F@H, Kryptonite mining (j/k) and what not, it can clock up and clock down itself as necessary.
Let the ryzen 5 3500 have a starting clock speed of 3.4ghz set the max overclock to 4.2ghz or whatever mobo uefi bios can handle with the voltage settings.