Question Is my Ryzen 7 5800X running too hot at 83-85C ?

[tomseurocat]

Under load and with a Corsair AIO cooler, my Ryzen 7 5800X runs at 83-85C. Is that too hot? I just know that I can't record my game play and run the game for long periods of time. Takes over an hour to record a game. I also have an RX 6700xt GPU that I'm trying to accomplish this with.

 

[beyondlogic]

Under load and with a Corsair AIO cooler, my R7 5800x runs at 83-85C. Is that too hot? I just know that I can't record my game play and run the game for long periods of time. Takes over an hour to record a game. I also have an RX 6700xt GPU that I'm trying to accomplish this with.

that is quite hot can you take a picture of inside your case see how your airflow path works.

also what exact model is your aio cooler

 

[tomseurocat]

https://www.mediafire.com/file/ixnt121p83ola4x/Idle_Log.LOG/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/iyvczgctv8by3ur/recording_load.LOG/file

That cooler is a Cooler Master AIO and I would have to get in the attic to get the specific part number. I bought it when I had a R5 3600x so I can only think it needs to be replaced with something better than it is.

As for air flow, I have 2 fans drawing air in the front of the case with one on the top expelling hot air as well as the water cooler headed out the back of the case. There is a screen vent in the bottom of the case but I doubt that it does much.
Does any of this help?

 

[ilukey77]

noctua NH U12a air cooler ..

or a arctic freezer ii 240mm / 280mm job done !!

120mm aio yeah will work but also no for a 5800x

a 240mm aio with that top fan removed pushing the air out of the case would work nicely ..

or a decent air cooler would work well thermal right do some cheap solid dual tower air coolers ,, ali express ( has thermalright products) using pay pal has given me no issues !!

 

[tomseurocat]

That arctic freezer II is going to last a while? I've heard AIO pumps get clogged up pretty easily.
There is a $30 difference in them, the air cooler being more expensive.

Also, if I do get the AIO could I mount that in the top of my case. There isn't room in the back of the case. I would need to relocate the top fan to the back of the case.

Which one would you get?

 

[ilukey77]

That arctic freezer II is going to last a while? I've heard AIO pumps get clogged up pretty easily.
There is a $30 difference in them, the air cooler being more expensive.

Also, if I do get the AIO could I mount that in the top of my case. There isn't room in the back of the case. I would need to relocate the top fan to the back of the case.

Which one would you get?

arctic freezer ii did have issues with the clogging years ago ive got 3 a 360mm 420mm and 280mm no issues with them ..
there was a recall / sent out gromet fix that was causing the clogging but all new arctic freezer ii's have the updated gromet ..
Gamers nexus did a vid on it!!

JUST DO you measurements first to make sure the 240 mm arctic will fit in that top part !!
check arctics site for exact aio size !!

i would buy the 240mm arctic freezer ii ( rgb if you want but slightly more expensive now and then ) mount it in the top of the case where that single 120mm fan is now and put that 120 mm in the back extracting heat out of the case..


i personally would mount the aio fans pushing hot air though the rad out of the case thats how i do it when i top mount aio's kinda reduces dust getting sucked in and pushed into the system but thats me ..

also use the AMD offset mounting config it does lower temps as well .. Online instructions show how to do very easy !! puts the cold plate directly over the hotter parts of the 5000series cpu's

there other AIO out there but price to performance Arctic freezer ii is still the best of the best !!

 

[tomseurocat]

Thank you!! Ordered an Arctic Freezer ll. Should be here in a couple days. 😉

 

[ilukey77]

Thank you!! Ordered an Arctic Freezer ll. Should be here in a couple days. 😉

may have missed my edit of the aio size ( angle of the pictures make it hard to see ) but if you think you can fit 2 120mm fans in that top part then a 240mm should fit in there nicely !!

 

[tomseurocat]

Nope, got it and that was my plan to swap the fan positions. The new AIO will need to go into the top of the case. Only place it will fit. lol

 

[anonsky]

Under load and with a Corsair AIO cooler, my R7 5800x runs at 83-85C. Is that too hot? I just know that I can't record my game play and run the game for long periods of time. Takes over an hour to record a game. I also have an RX 6700xt GPU that I'm trying to accomplish this with.

on idle or underload? regardless it's still a bit too hot, mostly due to the fact you have an AIO, try switching ur thermal paste

 

[tomseurocat]

So, it's your opinion that liquid coolers aren't any good?

 

[CountMike]

https://www.mediafire.com/file/ixnt121p83ola4x/Idle_Log.LOG/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/iyvczgctv8by3ur/recording_load.LOG/file

That cooler is a Cooler Master AIO and I would have to get in the attic to get the specific part number. I bought it when I had a R5 3600x so I can only think it needs to be replaced with something better than it is.

As for air flow, I have 2 fans drawing air in the front of the case with one on the top expelling hot air as well as the water cooler headed out the back of the case. There is a screen vent in the bottom of the case but I doubt that it does much.
Does any of this help?

That Cooler master Nepton 120 or 140XL ? It was enough for my 3700x but not for 5800x although 83-85c is not way too hot if under prolonged full load, throttling temperature is 90c.
My best results are with temps just under or at 80c under Arctic 360 AIO. That's with all performance boosts on hitting 4780 MHz all core and 5005MHz single.
Don't worry about Arctic AIOs. it had trouble with just small batch couple of years ago, fixed in short time (couple of weeks) and now with extended warranty. As a plus it has thicker radiator and special mount for 5000 series Ryzen because it has offset core.
There are other ways to help cooling 5000 series Ryzen. One is setting in BIOS to lower power to 65W with minimal performance loss and other to use Curve Optimizer to dynamically lower voltage.

 

[Geef]

So, it's your opinion that liquid coolers aren't any good?

They are awesome, I use a Kraken X53 blowing out the top of my case and up until recently I never noticed the processor getting hot. Then I started playing Starfield. The CPU and GPU fans engage! Even the top of my case gets warm from the hot air coming out.

That game knows how to work a processor.

 

[anonsky]

So, it's your opinion that liquid coolers aren't any good?

sorry for the bad wording, what i meant was that your temperatures should be significantly lower if you were using an AIO, so there might be an issue with ur AIO

 

[Wuwu]

I max at 81c on my 5800x3D using an air cooler. - A significantly harder to cool chip.

Guys PC is like a rats nest inside and clearly has no undervolt or power tuning done.

An undervolt of -0.256 should work, just do that, if unstable increase voltage only slightly.

Try these settings for power draw... these should be safe.
PPT = 125, TDC = 90, EDC = 125

That case is trash for airflow, the VRM area is completely starved of airflow.


I would return the 240mm AIO now as it won't improve anything.

 

[ilukey77]

there are a few differences but in general its 50/50 AIO dont have the life span air coolers do im not talking one year but maybe 3 to 4 years before a AIO will need replacing ..\

Air coolers on the flip side dont really have a used by date!!

But what they gain in life span they ultimately lack in cooling performance over AIO's when you start talking 13900ks or high end hot cpus air coolers just dont have the grunt to cool them ..

Like AIO's vs custom loops .. custom loops beat AIO's every day but require more maintenance !!

over all there is a trade off with all cpu coolers !!

 

[Wuwu]

there are a few differences but in general its 50/50 AIO dont have the life span air coolers do im not talking one year but maybe 3 to 4 years before a AIO will need replacing ..\

Air coolers on the flip side dont really have a used by date!!

But what they gain in life span they ultimately lack in cooling performance over AIO's when you start talking 13900ks or high end hot cpus air coolers just dont have the grunt to cool them ..

Like AIO's vs custom loops .. custom loops beat AIO's every day but require more maintenance !!

over all there is a trade off with all cpu coolers !!

You don't get it, the die area under the metal heatsink of he CPU is tiny, more cooling power won't fix the transfer between the tiny area and the cooler, undervolting will, you just need to meet the requirements of the power output, so for example 125 watts. On average the CPU will drop temp but under heavy load, barely any difference because the heat is still transferring between a layer before it gets cooled by the cooler. Both AIO and Air are subject to ambient temps too

I use a Thermalrite Peerless Assassin SE on quiet mode. I had a EK BASIC 360 on it with no difference in temps.

Want pics?

 

[ilukey77]

I max at 81c on my 5800x3D using an air cooler. - A significantly harder to cool chip.

Guys PC is like a rats nest inside and clearly has no undervolt or power tuning done.

An undervolt of -0.256 should work, just do that, if unstable increase voltage only slightly.

Try these settings for power draw... these should be safe.
PPT = 125, TDC = 90, EDC = 125

That case is trash for airflow, the VRM area is completely starved of airflow.


I would return the 240mm AIO now as it won't improve anything.

240mm rad will help..
ive got the 5800x3d and use a 360mm arctic on it far better temps than a air cooler ..
like myself maybe the OP doesnt want to stuff around with undervolting etc etc !!

 

[Wuwu]

Fine by me, 2c drop for how much?

I am done here.

 

[ilukey77]

You don't get it, the die area under the metal hbeatsink of he CPU is tiny, more cooling power won't fix the transfer between the tiny area and the cooler, undervolting will, you just need to meet the requirements of the power output, so for example 125 watts. On average the CPU will drop temp but under heavy load, barely any difference because the heat is still transferring between a layer before it gets cooled by the cooler. Both AIO and Air are subject to ambient temps too

I use a Thermalrite Peerless Assassin SE on quiet mode. I had a EK BASIC 360 on it with no difference in temps.

Want pics?

i dont need pics ive got a 5800x3d and ran air coolers and AIO's on it same as the 7800x3d i now use ive used deepcool ak500 digital Noctua NH-U12A on it nzxt x63 280mm and back to the noctua i plan on using a thermalright phantom spirit 120 evo ive got coming
BUT
case im using doesnt permit a 360aio or a arctic freezer ii 280mm ( rad to thick ) otherwise 360mm AIO every day of the week over a air cooler !!

 

[Wuwu]

I don't care anymore, you are right, spend more money, using brain hard.

 

[abufrejoval]

AFAIK Zens are completely self-regulating devices, that under load will
a) clock as high as the maximum(hard/soft) configured clocks permit
b) until 90°C temperature or 140 Watts electricity consumption (Zen 5000) are reached.

So if you have a sufficiently high CPU load, it doesn't matter if you leave the CPU without any cooling or the best imaginable cooler, the CPU could easily reach 90°C, because that's the designed limit.

The only thing a better cooler would do is allow you to reach higher clocks with those 90°C.

Does that mean a better cooler won't allow for lower temperatures whilst gaming?

Because very few games actually load that CPU near 100%, there is a good chance you'll actually see lower temperatures. But is that worth spending lots of money and effort into higher rates of colling?

That's mostly a matter of taste. AMD will only tell you that their CPUs are designed for safe and prolonged operations near 90°C.

Yet in practical terms their life-span might be reduced from 100 years at those temps to a mere 30 years.

Of course your part may be a statistical outlyer that fails after 1 year of 90°C operation, while it might have lasted 3 years with 70°C.

My 5800X reached 90°C fairly quickly with nothing but a big Be Quiet air cooler, when I replaced it with a 5950X I noticed that those CCDs ran much cooler generally and also clocked a little higher: they were obviously far better bins than the single SSD of the 5800X. Two CCDs of the kind that ran on the 5800X could not have made a 5950X, because it required higher voltages to each its clocks.

But it ran near 4GHz during extensive CPU loads so it downclocked just as far as it needed to to stay within specs. And the two CCDs on the 5950X do the same: they'll regulate the clocks to ensure that essentially unlimited parallel CPU loads won't ecceed the thermal and wattage limits of the platform.

I guess most 5800X tended to be "hottish", because they were binned that way and not all dies could be as good or perfect as those required to build a 5950.

 

[tomseurocat]

Lots of information and plenty of testing to do with my system. One of the reasons that I needed a better cooling solution, whether it be a better cooler (air or AIO) or undervolting is that I was reaching 95C+ whilst playing Madden 24 and recording it as well, according to HWInfo sensor observation. This made the CPU throttle because of being too hot and thus making my recordings have massive stuttering issues once the CPU got too hot. Hoping the new AIO will keep it cool enough and appreciate the undervolt trick as well.