Is the rx 480 worth buying with my a10 7890k CPU?

[Joey_61]

I have a A10 7890k 4.3ghz CPU with a FM2+ type motherboard, my question is, can i buy the Gigabyte Radeon™ RX 480 G1 Gaming 8G Graphics/Video Card (GV-RX480G1GAMING-8GD) without any problems or bottlenecking?

 

[4745454b]

i'd love to share the enthusiasm, but in all my years here at Toms not once i suggested to buy an APU if a dGPU will be added in the future. again, terrible return of investment.

For the record I don't suggest APUs either. Nor do I suggest the FX CPUs. I've been suggesting the Intel CPUs for quite awhile. But I also don't tell people to suffer because it's a bad "return on investment" to add a GPU.

here you can already see the frametimings on an FX8370, a 7890k will be much MUCH worse.

I hear a claim, I don't see facts. Keep working on it.

 

[madmatt30]

750k with a 470 - I'm seeing a lot of 100% GPU usage there .
His apu is some 20-25% stronger on CPU performance than that.

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JGNJEyBBow&feature=youtu.be"][/video]

 

[wh3resmycar]

Can you show me a link where the A10 78xx or 79xx is giving -50% less FPS than a 8320 with a GPU? Your link, with different settings, shows an APU providing 20FPS less to an i7 5690 clocked at 4.4GHz on all cores. Again, duh. It's not the case of an APU, it's the case of AMD vs best Intel has to offer.

why should i waste effort on showing an a10 giving -50% than a 8320? it's already a pain finding an APU included in most CPU performance reviews. fact of the matter is, it is not faster than the previous gen FX CPU. it just isn't.

what i will not do is advise someone to spend $200 on a card, knowing fully that he will not max out it's "value" if he stick it with that APU system. hence, i gave a short term vs long term plan. now remind me again how i misinformed? the 1050 non ti cost half of rx480 8gb.

again, YOU DO NOT PUT a dGPU in an APU system, terrible return of investment. and to be honest, the a10s were quite expensive, as expensive as the cheapest i5s when they came out.

the $100 he saved by buying the 1050 and possibly selling the APU system may net him a new rig with at least an R3/i5 quad core. else, he'll be stuck longer with the APU system. again, how is that misinformation?

 

[wh3resmycar]

i'd love to share the enthusiasm, but in all my years here at Toms not once i suggested to buy an APU if a dGPU will be added in the future. again, terrible return of investment.

For the record I don't suggest APUs either. Nor do I suggest the FX CPUs. I've been suggesting the Intel CPUs for quite awhile. But I also don't tell people to suffer because it's a bad "return on investment" to add a GPU.

here you can already see the frametimings on an FX8370, a 7890k will be much MUCH worse.

I hear a claim, I don't see facts. Keep working on it.

i see a claim too. would you like to refute by showing a 7890k being better than an fx8370? i'll wait mate. i'll wait.

edit: you're not really suggesting that an APU with its absence of L3 cache is going to be better aren't you?

 

[4745454b]

why should i waste effort on showing an a10 giving -50% than a 8320?

Because that's what you were claiming. Above you were talking about 30FPS less. (it's closer to 20FPS btw.) Of course the APU gives less FPS than the i7 5690 OC'ed to 4.4GHz. I'm looking for any benchmark showing the APU slower than an FX. Lets at least stick with only AMD arch. You than posted something CLAIMING the APU would be much MUCH lower.

As madmatt and I have been attempting to tell you the APUs aren't as bad at gaming as you THINK.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/processors/amd-a10-5800k-1103125/review

Techrader has the 5800K above the FX4170 by a couple of FPS in the games they tested with a 7970.

Yes, compared to Intels CPUs they won't game as well, but none of AMDs recent APU/CPUs do. Even the much better Ryzen CPUs don't game as well as the i7 7700. They do perform better and close enough that I'd consider one for gaming. But any AMD APU/CPU isn't going to push a GPU as fast as it can go.

again, YOU DO NOT PUT a dGPU in an APU system, terrible return of investment. and to be honest, the a10s were quite expensive, as expensive as the cheapest i5s when they came out.

I don't disagree with this. What I have an issue with is you, in multiple threads trying to "help" people, telling people to garbage their setup because it's pointless to put a GPU in an APU system. Just toss the motherboard, ram, and A/CPU out and get something better? The APUs from AMD perform nearly as well in games as the FX CPUs. To tell people to stop using their AMD setup and spend even more money because of a bad "return on investment" is something I can't even put into words though arrogant and rude come to mind. I'm on a i7 setup with 16GBs of ram, multiple SSDs and an eyefinity setup but I don't run around telling people you need such a setup to play video games. GPUs will work fine in APU/FX CPU systems. Yes, there are or were better choices to get, but not everyone finds out that info in time.

Getting back to the OPs question I see we don't have any PSU info so to give GPU ideas might not be a good idea. The 1050 is a good GPU that doesn't need a 6pin plug so that might be the best GPU for him. But I'm not going to tell someone to sell their system and put even more money they might not even have to buy something they probably don't even need.

edit:

you're not really suggesting that an APU with its absence of L3 cache is going to be better aren't you?

No, but it's WAY better than what you think it can do.

 

[wh3resmycar]

in multiple threads trying to "help" people, telling people to garbage their setup because it's pointless to put a GPU in an APU system. Just toss the motherboard, ram, and A/CPU out and get something better? The APUs from AMD perform nearly as well in games as the FX CPUs. To tell people to stop using their AMD setup and spend even more money because of a bad "return on investment" is something I can't even put into words though arrogant and rude come to mind. I'm on a i7 setup with 16GBs of ram, multiple SSDs and an eyefinity setup but I don't run around telling people you need such a setup to play video games. GPUs will work fine in APU/FX CPU systems. Yes, there are or were better choices to get, but not everyone finds out that info in time.

you know for a mod you have some slight comprehension issues. did you not see my short term vs long term plan post?

Because that's what you were claiming. Above you were talking about 30FPS less. (it's closer to 20FPS btw.) Of course the APU gives less FPS than the i7 5690 OC'ed to 4.4GHz. I'm looking for any benchmark showing the APU slower than an FX. Lets at least stick with only AMD arch. You than posted something CLAIMING the APU would be much MUCH lower.

an rx470 was pulling 70+ fps on GTA5 with no CPU bottlenecking, the other dude was pulling 30 with sever CPU bottlenecking. i gave a -10fps delta as an estimate with weaker CPUs. i don't know how you do math and how you arrived at 20fps when 76fps(g3rd average)-30fps(other dude average) is 46fps (from the guru3d article)?

what you're failing to understand is that the GAP will only widen as time goes by. the APU will not get any much faster than what it is, the exact opposite is supposed to happen. again SHORT TERM VS LONG TERM.

i didn't know there's a rule in toms where we must sugar coat things, that is how you spread misinformation. call it what it really is so that you can help someone save money in the long run. again, IN THE LONG RUN. you tackle the issue from its ROOT CAUSE.

and for pete's sake, stop quoting ARTICLES that are ancient (2012 really? here i am trying my best to make it as much coherent as possible). again, for a mod, you have some slight issues. not only that, YOU WANT A GPU SOLUTION TO A (A)CPU PROBLEM. dude you gotta stop.

 

[wh3resmycar]

Getting back to the OPs question I see we don't have any PSU info so to give GPU ideas might not be a good idea. The 1050 is a good GPU that doesn't need a 6pin plug so that might be the best GPU for him.

1. He sounds convinced with your sugar coating. so he'll most likely buy a 480.

But I'm not going to tell someone to sell their system and put even more money they might not even have to buy something they probably don't even need.

2. Ok so let's put your thoughts in a logical statement:

IF (CPU && APU IS BOTTLENECK) then

Buy GPU

END IF

 

[4745454b]

This is what you linked.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gta_v_pc_graphics_performance_review,5.html

At 1900x1200 with 2xMSAA the 285 got 51FPS. In the anand link I quoted it got ~33FPS at higher detail settings. This is a difference of <20FPS.

Again, I asked for benchmarks backing up your claim you'd get MUCH worse results with an A10 compared to a FX CPU. I haven't seen one yet. You keep claiming how horrible it will be while I and madmatt have been trying to show you it's not as horrible as you think.

As for needing to stop I agree, you should. Keep posting in bold and CAPS and I'll see to it you will. We should be having a polite conversation. Screaming at users (or mods) isn't going to work out for you. You posted something showing an APU doesn't keep up with an OC'ed i7. Myself and madmatt have posted showing the A10s do well enough for what they are. We haven't screamed or bolded at you. Why can't you be nice?

edit:

2. Ok so let's put your thoughts in a logical statement:

IF (CPU && APU IS BOTTLENECK) then

Buy GPU

END IF

I can make absurd statements as well.

IF APU/CPU is from AMD
Buy 750TI
End if.

Writing something doesn't make it right. Again, the AMD APUs game just as well as the FX CPUs. They are all only as good as the 750TI/1050?

 

[bishopi5]

Lol wtf happened to this thread, i answered his question right after the OP, why isn't this closed

 

[4745454b]

It was decided that but for a few reasons threads need to be old before they are closed. Even if they are answered and a BA is picked. It's a policy I disagree with but I don't get to chose which rules to follow. It will be closed once it's old enough.

 

[bishopi5]

Fair enough, was a really simple question by the OP, a lot of wasted typing here