[SOLVED] Is this a good gaming PC? Is it overpriced?

[WackyHatter]

Hello,

I was wondering whether this PC I want to get built is overpriced and whether it is beefy enough to run at least 144fps.



The Specs are -

AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6 Core 12 Thread AM4

ASRock A320M - HDV R4.0 Motherboard

GeIL 16GB Single DDR4 Ram

WD Green 240GB SSD

2TB Storage Drive

ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX2060 AMP 6GB GDDR6

eVGA GD Series 450W 80PLUS Gold Power Supply

Microsoft Windows 10 Home



Thanks, I just don't want to waste any money on getting a PC that isn't fit for my needs (mostly school and gaming.)

Have a good one!

 

[WackyHatter]

P.S - The PC is priced at $1539 AUD.

 

[Gam3r01]

A320 Motherboard, single channel RAM, WD Green SSD.
I personally wouldnt take that build. Looks like a bunch of corners were cut to get an RTX 2060 in there.

 

[Tduc]

There are 3 MASSIVE problems with this machine.

First of all, you do not have a very capable PSU. I would recommend you get a better PSU, such as a 600W for better efficiency, thermals, and headroom. I have this PSU, which works a charm for my PC.

Secondly, you only have one stick of RAM, which will slow things down a lot, because the RAM isn't running in dual channel mode. Get 2 8GB sticks or 4 4GB sticks of RAM, and make sure that they are above 2133 MHZ, because Ryzen CPUs need faster RAM to run at their potential.

Lastly, you do not seem to have a cooler on the spec sheet. I would recommend that you keep away from coolers that are in the box, as they aren't that efficient and they can be loud. I have a cheap water cooler and the CPU stays super quiet.

Also, can you tell me your case?

Regards, Thomas.

P.S Another massive problem: A320 motherboard. The power delivery system will overheat and throttle your CPU, and they have a reputation of being terrible motherboards. Get something like a 2070 if you want 144 FPS at 1080p.

 

[WackyHatter]

A320 Motherboard, single channel RAM, WD Green SSD.
I personally wouldnt take that build. Looks like a bunch of corners were cut to get an RTX 2060 in there.

Thanks, what would you recommend to replace those with? How much more would it cost?

 

[WackyHatter]

There are 3 MASSIVE problems with this machine.

First of all, you do not have a very capable PSU. I would recommend you get a better PSU, such as a 600W for better efficiency, thermals, and headroom. I have this PSU, which works a charm for my PC.

Secondly, you only have one stick of RAM, which will slow things down a lot, because the RAM isn't running in dual channel mode. Get 2 8GB sticks or 4 4GB sticks of RAM, and make sure that they are above 2133 MHZ, because Ryzen CPUs need faster RAM to run at their potential.

Lastly, you do not seem to have a cooler on the spec sheet. I would recommend that you keep away from coolers that are in the box, as they aren't that efficient and they can be loud. I have a cheap water cooler and the CPU stays super quiet.

Also, can you tell me your case?

Regards, Thomas.

Hello, I have a DeepCool Tesseract Case and I have a fan for the CPU (Sweden Series SE-913-R PWM Red LED). I am guessing water coolers are better than fans?
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll definitely change the RAM situation.

 

[Gam3r01]

Thanks, what would you recommend to replace those with? How much more would it cost?

Just the parts listed, or a whole PC (Case, cooler, etc)?

 

[Tduc]

Thanks, what would you recommend to replace those with? How much more would it cost?

From what I know, this kind of upgrade can go from 150-350 dollars AUD more.

 

[WackyHatter]

Just the parts listed, or a whole PC (Case, cooler, etc)?

Just the other parts you listed in your reply thanks

 

[Tduc]

Hello, I have a DeepCool Tesseract Case and I have a fan for the CPU (Sweden Series SE-913-R PWM Red LED). I am guessing water coolers are better than fans?
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll definitely change the RAM situation.

Water coolers are usually better, but you don't need them. Just avoid stock coolers. Your fan should do fine.

 

[Gam3r01]

This comes out to under what your build is listed at, can adjust accordingly:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($269.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($244.20 @ Newegg Australia)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($115.50 @ Newegg Australia)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($115.00 @ BudgetPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.00 @ Centre Com)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($379.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.00 @ Austin Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($118.00 @ Amazon Australia)
Total: $1384.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-10 18:26 AEDT+1100

 

[Gam3r01]

Water coolers are usually better, but you don't need them. Just avoid stock coolers. Your fan should do fine.

Not entirely, most 120mm AIO coolers generally perform on par at best with comparable air coolers, which are generally half the price.

 

[WackyHatter]

This comes out to under what your build is listed at, can adjust accordingly:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($269.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($244.20 @ Newegg Australia)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($115.50 @ Newegg Australia)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($115.00 @ BudgetPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.00 @ Centre Com)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($379.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.00 @ Austin Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($118.00 @ Amazon Australia)
Total: $1384.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-10 18:26 AEDT+1100

Thank you very much, I will have a look at all of this!
How many FPS would I get with this build (approximately)?

 

[Gam3r01]

Thank you very much, I will have a look at all of this!
How many FPS would I get with this build (approximately)?

You can flip through pages 7-29 for a general idea
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-gtx-1660-super-gaming-x/7.html

 

[Tduc]

Not entirely, most 120mm AIO coolers generally perform on par at best with comparable air coolers, which are generally half the price.

Cooling is similar, thermal efficiency and transfer is better on water coolers.

 

[Gam3r01]

Cooling is similar, thermal efficiency and transfer is better on water coolers.

If thermal efficiency, as you put it, was better, then cooling overall would be better as well.

How a cooler goes about its job does not matter, only concern is end temps and cost.

 

[Lutfij]

To knock this badly given advice about choosing a watercooler over an air cooler or even a stock cooler, I'd advise the OP and the person advocating the need for a watercooler to please read the watercooling sticky. It's linked in my sig space and has been there since the first revision of the sticky was created.

If you scroll down to the CLC section, you'll learn that I wrote that bit up and I've also included pro's and con's to it.

In short, if you're able to manage with the stock cooling, then you can save up money and either invest on a good air cooler or invest in a watercooling unit, but only when you're seeing that the ambient air temps are favorable and you're being held back by your cooler. Often times airflow in a chassis is what will impede your temps. All of this is covered in the watercooling sticky and I WILL NOT recommend a 120mm AIO for any build regardless of what you're doing, unless you've given us free licence to waste your money(which is not the Tom'sHardware way).

@WackyHatter I did a minor revision on my colleagues build, listed on PCPartPicker, it's priced slightly higher but is on a smaller form factor, added a chassis(so you should ditch the Deepcool chassis you have now, i.e, sell it), have two SSD's one as your main (OS)drive and the other for your game library. You have room to upgrade the storage, cooling, PSU and GPU(down the road).

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($269.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($124.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($165.00 @ BudgetPC)
Storage: ADATA SU800 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($106.98 @ Mwave Australia)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.30 @ Amazon Australia)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($379.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Case: Silverstone PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.00 @ Austin Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($118.00 @ Amazon Australia)
Total: $1499.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-10 19:20 AEDT+1100

I would've split the SSD purchase into two but I noticed that the 250GB version of the 970 Evo plus isn't as cheap as I'd like it to be. If you're worried, you could look at this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($269.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($124.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($109.00 @ BudgetPC)
Storage: ADATA SU800 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($106.98 @ Mwave Australia)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.30 @ Amazon Australia)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($379.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Case: Silverstone PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.00 @ Austin Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($118.00 @ Amazon Australia)
Total: $1443.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-10 19:25 AEDT+1100

which is the same listing but with a 250GB 970 Evo Plus in there.

This one has a better PSU,
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($269.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($124.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($109.00 @ BudgetPC)
Storage: ADATA SU800 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($106.98 @ Mwave Australia)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.30 @ Amazon Australia)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($379.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Case: Silverstone PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($119.00 @ Scorptec)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($118.00 @ Amazon Australia)
Total: $1473.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-10 19:28 AEDT+1100

Mind you, they are all priced way below what you've listed in your initial post.

whether it is beefy enough to run at least 144fps.
What games(without including an etc in that sentence)? What resolution?

 

[WackyHatter]

To knock this badly given advice about choosing a watercooler over an air cooler or even a stock cooler, I'd advise the OP and the person advocating the need for a watercooler to please read the watercooling sticky. It's linked in my sig space and has been there since the first revision of the sticky was created.

If you scroll down to the CLC section, you'll learn that I wrote that bit up and I've also included pro's and con's to it.

In short, if you're able to manage with the stock cooling, then you can save up money and either invest on a good air cooler or invest in a watercooling unit, but only when you're seeing that the ambient air temps are favorable and you're being held back by your cooler. Often times airflow in a chassis is what will impede your temps. All of this is covered in the watercooling sticky and I WILL NOT recommend a 120mm AIO for any build regardless of what you're doing, unless you've given us free licence to waste your money(which is not the Tom'sHardware way).

@WackyHatter I did a minor revision on my colleagues build, listed on PCPartPicker, it's priced slightly higher but is on a smaller form factor, added a chassis(so you should ditch the Deepcool chassis you have now, i.e, sell it), have two SSD's one as your main (OS)drive and the other for your game library. You have room to upgrade the storage, cooling, PSU and GPU(down the road).

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($269.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($124.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($165.00 @ BudgetPC)
Storage: ADATA SU800 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($106.98 @ Mwave Australia)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.30 @ Amazon Australia)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($379.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Case: Silverstone PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.00 @ Austin Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($118.00 @ Amazon Australia)
Total: $1499.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-10 19:20 AEDT+1100

I would've split the SSD purchase into two but I noticed that the 250GB version of the 970 Evo plus isn't as cheap as I'd like it to be. If you're worried, you could look at this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($269.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($124.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($109.00 @ BudgetPC)
Storage: ADATA SU800 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($106.98 @ Mwave Australia)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.30 @ Amazon Australia)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($379.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Case: Silverstone PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.00 @ Austin Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($118.00 @ Amazon Australia)
Total: $1443.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-10 19:25 AEDT+1100

which is the same listing but with a 250GB 970 Evo Plus in there.

This one has a better PSU,
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($269.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($124.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($109.00 @ BudgetPC)
Storage: ADATA SU800 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($106.98 @ Mwave Australia)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.30 @ Amazon Australia)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($379.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Case: Silverstone PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($119.00 @ Scorptec)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($118.00 @ Amazon Australia)
Total: $1473.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-10 19:28 AEDT+1100

Mind you, they are all priced way below what you've listed in your initial post.

whether it is beefy enough to run at least 144fps.
What games(without including an etc in that sentence)? What resolution?

Hello, I have been at the hospital all day, sorry.
I want to run games such as Minecraft, Fortnite, The Elder Scrolls and other open world, first and third person shooters. The resolution would be 1080p and 4K if possible.
Thanx

 

[Lutfij]

If you're looking at those kind of resolution's, you will need to up your budget to something around the 2,000AUD or 2,500AUD mark. Also, I asked you not to generically state the titles that you'll be playing. You just replaced the etc with and other open world, first and third person shooters. The titles you did mention however do not need a beefy GPU. FYI, each game and game developer code their game differently and by that the game taxes the system differently, this is exactly why we ask what titles you're going to be gaming on.

Here is a revised lineup:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($269.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($124.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($109.00 @ BudgetPC)
Storage: ADATA SU800 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($106.98 @ Mwave Australia)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.71 @ Amazon Australia)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB XC GAMING Video Card ($918.50 @ Newegg Australia)
Case: Silverstone PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion+ 660 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($189.00 @ JW Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($118.00 @ Amazon Australia)
Total: $2083.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-12 00:53 AEDT+1100

which can and will change upon further progression of this thread.

Also, I hope you're in good health and spirits. This new wave of bad news is bad news!