Question is windows 11 worth a try?

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Vista wasn't that bad if your PC was built to run it, my PC at time came with vista and I didn't have any problems running it.
ME on the other hand... but you mentioned that. Only one I skipped was Win 8 and that was due to still using the Vista machine at the time, I sort of guessed it wouldn't work well.

If you believe the naysayers, just use linux as they don't have anything to say about it, it doesn't get the attention they seek.
 
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Colif said:
Vista wasn't that bad if your PC was built to run it, my PC at time came with vista and I didn't have any problems running it.
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I attribute Vista's woes to two main issues:
  • Base models of even "midrange" computers system builders were offering were pretty much junk for the time. I did a look at what Dell was offering back in 2006, they were still offering Pentium 4s (maybe a Pentium D) with 256MB of RAM as the base configuration.
  • A lot of applications broke because they assumed the user had admin rights, when Vista enforced standard rights for users by default, regardless of account type.
I would say the driver model was an issue, but unless you were using some obscure hardware, it usually wasn't a problem. I recall being able to use a Wi-Fi adapter by installing the XP drivers through Device Manager, despite Vista drivers not being available for it.
 
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well, it was first with UAC so it was teething problems.
Its rare for a new feature to be useful right away. System restore comes to mind, took them a while to get it right. That was in ME.

many of the vista ready PC were a joke... just like the win 10 ready ones were 10 years later. that is hardly MS fault. Blame OEM releasing potatoes. They still doing it as we speak. Bare minimum specs to run win 11.
 
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can't really say many things, windows 11 had a new feel for me, i love the centered taskbar (which might be breaking point for many, but you can shift it to the left), but well..... i pirate games and both FH4 and AC valhalla doesn't work for me here (FH5 runs very well though, high 70 fps on an overclocked 1650 mobile is pretty decent).

I can't exactly put my finger on it either, but the games somehow feel fast.... i mean, 55 fps at high in ac odyssey with a latency of around 18 ms on this OC GPU and Undervolted CPU was something i don't think i could have recieved at windows 10 [on which i used to get around 26 fps at ultra, not sure about benchmark when i shifted to medium]

Though i heard the preview build fixes valhalla and FH4, so i'll wait till it comes out to stable update and then i'll get it ASAP
 
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Colif said:
There are people who still think win 10 needs to become mature. How long do you wait?

If your PC can run win 11 i don't see point in staying on 10.

Every version of windows has had problems, win 10 still does. Win 11 is fine for main pc, I been using it for a few months now.

Version updates only come out once every year, are you willing to wait a year for "improvements"?
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I tried it and found that MS had removed enough features in Win 11 UI that I used constantly in Windows 10 that I went back to Win 10. But it's all a personal thing. If you find the UI changes are not a deal breaker and your system will run Win 11, I'd say go for it. I figure I have until 2025 before they pull the plug on Win 10, so I'll wait a year or two and see what they do with Win 11 before I move to it again (or if I build a new system, I'll use Win 11 but since my current system is relatively new, I don't see that happening).
 
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11 is definitely worth running if you can, in newer versions it has equal & sometimes higher performance than windows 10. the new UIs can take some time to get used to. many of the control panel settings are missing & harder to access because they have not yet integrated it to the modern settings app.
 
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Windows 11 has some differences. Here are some of my notes. I just got Win 11 with a new PC, I didn't have an option to avoid it.

  • When setting up Windows 11 for the first time I logged in using my Microsoft account. They were able to get my network password from this account and set up my network connection automatically. This sounds like a serious security breach to me.
  • Lots of extra "trialware" software installed like McAffee antivirus 30 day trial version, which shows me an ad about every 5 minutes.
  • Right click menu is different and omits many items like SendTo. You must click on the Right Click menu "More Options" to see Open with and Send To.
  • Icons in task bar are now centered along with windows button. Weather is now on the far left of the task bar.
  • They have PIN now so when you type your 4 digit pin you log into the PC and don't have to hit ENTER. All PINs must be exactly 4 digits.
  • I am unable to associate an app with JPG files and JPG files are not listed in the Windows Default App control panel.
 
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Curiously enough, none of this happened to me (upgraded from 10 to 11)

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When setting up Windows 11 for the first time I logged in using my Microsoft account. They were able to get my network password from this account and set up my network connection automatically. This sounds like a serious security breach to me.
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I can't seem to get what you mean. If you logged into your Microsoft account then you must've probably been online to be able to log in, because i remember the set-up asks for a connection way before you're asked to sign in.


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Lots of extra "trialware" software installed like McAffee antivirus 30 day trial version, which shows me an ad about every 5 minutes.
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Not windows' fault, my laptop came with Norton 30 day trial too, it's from the manufacturer's side, not to mention some video editing apps and other stuff

bacca400 said:
Icons in task bar are now centered along with windows button. Weather is now on the far left of the task bar.
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I remember you can still go to taskbar settings and put the icons to the left though.


bacca400 said:
They have PIN now so when you type your 4 digit pin you log into the PC and don't have to hit ENTER. All PINs must be exactly 4 digits.
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Easily avoidable, link your Microsoft account to the pc and set a pin including alphabets and symbols, it's just a normal password then. Mind, you'll have to use the same password for all your devices (since i have only two, no big deal, but YMMV)


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I am unable to associate an app with JPG files and JPG files are not listed in the Windows Default App control panel.
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Update the photos app, or run a system file check.
 
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rynftw said:
Hello, I'm currently using windows 10 so I'm here to discuss whether windows 11 is worth a try?
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Why do you want to try it? If your Windows 10 is working perfectly (not lacking in any way) and you're just looking to 'try something new' I would say fine - but do it on a secondary rig.

Windows 10 will be fully supported for at least another 3.5 years. Other than some more animated menus and interfaces, heavy hardware requirements, Windows 11 brings very little to the table, functionality-wise, vs. Windows 10.
 
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bacca400 said:
don't see an update for Photos. How do I find that update?
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Microsoft app store, there could be one there, if not, then just check this guide

www.google.com

How To Fix Cannot Open JPG File on Windows 11/10

Cannot open JPG files on Windows? Unable to view the JPEG file in the Windows Photos app? In this post, we have listed a few solutions that will allow you to fix the “Cannot open JPG file” issue on Windows devices.
www.google.com www.google.com
 
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hotaru.hino said:
Maybe it's a self-fulling prophecy, but for some reason everyone wants "every other Windows" to fail because of Microsoft's supposed checkered history. This is despite that, with the exception of Me, none of these "every other Windows" versions had major technical issues with the OS itself that prevented it from being daily driven. I should know, I daily drove every version of Windows since XP, and most of the time within their launch week (Vista I switched over a few months after its release).
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Strong disagree here.
Windows 'Me' was a cobbled together OS that was a direct result of Microsoft's mistake in saying that people could upgrade from 98SE to 2000. People were upgrading and literally 50-70% of their programs/functions stopped working. 'Me' was a rushed mess as a result that didn't bring much to the table (over 98SE) except less stability and a restore system that was actually more of an issue than a savior. Windows Vista's release iteration was a slooooow nightmare if you ran it on anything but a performance/flagship PC and Windows 8's release iteration was literally missing standard functions for mouse/keybord users (you needed a touch screen OR needed to know the CLI commands to get to some functions). These are just single examples - there were dozens of others. I tested both Vista and Windows 8 for deployment to end users.

Note that I'm referring to these OSs as 'disasters' through the lens of an end user. I regularly ran on a very powerful rig, one that could slog through the heavy CPU/graphics requirements of the Vista upgrade pretty well. I also knew the CLI commands for things that were missing in the initial release of Windows 8. However, I still stayed on Windows XP and Windows 7 respectively because I want expected results not flashy interfaces that just got in the way of me doing my work.

For the end user, these issues caused nothing but problems. I supported finance/banker/trader pricks who would blame everything on IT and always played the 'I just lost $50,000 dollars because this computer is doing X,' card. These kind of users need bumper bowling computer systems for them to be happy. WIndows Vista and Windows 8 were the 'Rube Goldberg' of operating systems and had no place in commercial work environments, in their initial iterations.
 
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rynftw said:
Hello, I'm currently using windows 10 so I'm here to discuss whether windows 11 is worth a try?
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At this point, it's really a personal preference because either version is perfectly functional. That's why I didn't want to at first, but decided I'd best since eventually I'd have to anyway, even though it will be 2025 before that deadline is crossed. What I can say is that even though I did it by letting Microsoft do it through update it's worked pretty much flawless.

As far as using it goes: it's a bit annoying getting used to the new task bar and start menu arrangements but once I got a strategy ironed out it's proven to be fairly easy. Now START is just one big area for holding all the icons for starting your most frequently used apps; otherwise you have to go into the ALL APPS menu list and scroll through that. That does make me miss the live tiles since they were very useful for keeping a grouping of application icons together. But I managed to do the same with some folders that hold shortcuts and then pin a link to that folder on the start menu.
 
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bacca400 said:
Windows 11 has some differences. Here are some of my notes. I just got Win 11 with a new PC, I didn't have an option to avoid it.

  • When setting up Windows 11 for the first time I logged in using my Microsoft account. They were able to get my network password from this account and set up my network connection automatically. This sounds like a serious security breach to me.
  • Lots of extra "trialware" software installed like McAffee antivirus 30 day trial version, which shows me an ad about every 5 minutes.
  • Right click menu is different and omits many items like SendTo. You must click on the Right Click menu "More Options" to see Open with and Send To.
  • Icons in task bar are now centered along with windows button. Weather is now on the far left of the task bar.
  • They have PIN now so when you type your 4 digit pin you log into the PC and don't have to hit ENTER. All PINs must be exactly 4 digits.
  • I am unable to associate an app with JPG files and JPG files are not listed in the Windows Default App control panel.
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Hello!

I have a solution to your problems:
You could pay $10 to buy a Pro license of Windows 11.
With that, you'll be able to setup your PC without needing a Microsoft account. You'll also be free of all the bloatware included in the Home edition.
 
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Endre said:
Hello!

I have a solution to your problems:
You could pay $10 to buy a Pro license of Windows 11.
With that, you'll be able to setup your PC without needing a Microsoft account. You'll also be free of all the bloatware included in the Home edition.
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And his bloatware issue (McAfee) is not Home vs Pro, but rather manufacturer junk vs clean install.

A clean install with whatever version that system came with would eradicate all preinstalled bloatware.
$0.
 
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Endre said:
Hello!

That is not true!
I do have such a Windows 10 (that works on Windows 11 too) license, which was bought over the internet in 2016.
I have a legal invoice for it.
I still use that license on my PC today.
And yes, I only payed $10 for it.
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Unless that invoice is from microsoft it's not legal.
The sale transaction might be legal, depending on where you live, but the key is not legal and neither is that license.
 
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Endre said:
OK.
So, by legal, I mean, you can use it without a time limit on any PC, and you won't be bothered by Microsoft or by the authorities.
That's pretty legal, to me.
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Its not quite that simple.

Consider how it came to be sold to you that cheaply.

Some guy selling a single license he no longer needs? No problem.
Some guy with 500 of them, for $10? hmmm...How? What is his special inroad to the cheap place at Microsoft?

Frequently, this is associated with money laundering.

Purchase 50x stolen credit card numbers. Valid cards, but stolen.
Now...how to turn those cards into cash?
Well, you can't buy physical items and sell...too much work, and too much paper trail.

So, digital goods. OS and game licenses.

Buy a bunch of 100% valid OS licenses, for actual retail price (using the stolen cards)
Then, turn around and sell them for cheap, to you.

No money out of the perps pocket, no physical goods, the only trace is a throwaway email address.

G2A has even admitted that the keys sold there are often obtained illegitimatly.
https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2020/5/20/21265275/g2a-confirms-it-sold-stolen-game-keys


You can justify this all you want. Doesn't make it legal.
 
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