Jingle Bells, guns as well, rifles all the way

[wanamingo]

Where is the line drawn though?

I would certainly feel safe with a rocket launcher or flachette rounds for a shotgun.

Hmmmm maybe ill buy a mortar for my birthday.

 

[wanamingo]

Can I buy several of these bad boys?

I can form my own militia cant I?

 

[Pyree]

I'm fairly certain that if gazzelles had thumbs and a bigger brain, they would most certainly kill that lion looking for a snack. But alas, their only defense is to run away.

Fortunately, we humans have better means to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

I said animal of the same species don't kill each other in self defence.

The destruction nature of firearm makes it more suitable for attack then defence. Animal don't kill another member of the same species, but guns can definitely kills a human easily. To use as a defence against a fellow human, I think something less lethal is more appropriate.

 

[Pyree]

But there are plenty of animals who don't. Do we really want to fall into the "violent " category of animals by follow our animal instant?

Correction on my previous post about controlling violence. Although you didn't pick that up and argue against that. I see some flaw on that argument.

USA do control violence just as much as another country, but their control of power is rather lacking IMO and when violence occur, the combination of power makes the violence even worse.

I think I prefer a society where people agree to put restrain on power.

But then you think strongly of the people who is saved during an attack by their gun.

I think our difference in opinion is due to the fact that you grow up in an area with guns and see the power of a gun is what everyone should have. Where I am, people don't have guns and we view them as excessive power.

We will always agree to disagree on gun ownership. Maybe if we swap place, I will find that a gun is essential and you will find that a gun is unnecessary.

 

[wanamingo]

I absolutely hate the term "Bleeding Heart Liberals".

All fact came from here

I havent fully examined all of the links but most seem well sourced(The numbers at the end of some "Facts" are their reference number). A lot of these statistics are very alarming.

Guns were used in 12,632 homicides in 2007, comprising over 40% of all gun deaths, and nearly 69% of all homicides.6

On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2002-2007.7

Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.8

Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.
Firearms were used to kill more than two-thirds of spouse and ex-spouse homicide victims between 1990 and 2005.27

Domestic violence assaults involving a firearm are 23 times more likely to result in death than those involving other weapons or bodily force.28

Abused women are five times more likely to be killed by their abuser if the abuser owns a firearm.29

A recent survey of female domestic violence shelter residents in California found that more than one third (36.7%) reported having been threatened or harmed with a firearm.30 In nearly two thirds (64.5%) of the households that contained a firearm, the intimate partner had used the firearm against the victim, usually threatening to shoot or kill the victim.

Firearm-related deaths and injuries result in estimated medical costs of $2.3 billion each year – half of which are borne by U.S. taxpayers.35

Once all the direct and indirect medical, legal and societal costs are factored together, the annual cost of gun violence in America amounts to $100 billion.36

In 2007, nearly 70% of all murders nationwide were committed with a firearm.38

In 2007, 385,178 total firearm crimes were committed, including 11,512 murders, 190,514 robberies, and 183,153 aggravated assaults.

Guns cause the death of 20 children and young adults (24 years of age and under) each day in the U.S.

Using a gun in self-defense is no more likely to reduce the chance of being injured during a crime than various other forms of protective action.47

Of the 13,636 Americans who were murdered in 2009, only 215 were killed by firearms (165 by handguns) in homicides by private citizens that law enforcement determined were justifiable.

The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children under the age of 15 is nearly 12 times higher than that among children in 25 other industrialized nations combined.

 

[Reynod]

I absolutely hate the term "Bleeding Heart Liberals".

All fact came from here

I havent fully examined all of the links but most seem well sourced(The numbers at the end of some "Facts" are their reference number). A lot of these statistics are very alarming.

Guns were used in 12,632 homicides in 2007, comprising over 40% of all gun deaths, and nearly 69% of all homicides.6

On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2002-2007.7

Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.8

Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.
Firearms were used to kill more than two-thirds of spouse and ex-spouse homicide victims between 1990 and 2005.27

Domestic violence assaults involving a firearm are 23 times more likely to result in death than those involving other weapons or bodily force.28

Abused women are five times more likely to be killed by their abuser if the abuser owns a firearm.29

A recent survey of female domestic violence shelter residents in California found that more than one third (36.7%) reported having been threatened or harmed with a firearm.30 In nearly two thirds (64.5%) of the households that contained a firearm, the intimate partner had used the firearm against the victim, usually threatening to shoot or kill the victim.

Firearm-related deaths and injuries result in estimated medical costs of $2.3 billion each year – half of which are borne by U.S. taxpayers.35

Once all the direct and indirect medical, legal and societal costs are factored together, the annual cost of gun violence in America amounts to $100 billion.36

In 2007, nearly 70% of all murders nationwide were committed with a firearm.38

In 2007, 385,178 total firearm crimes were committed, including 11,512 murders, 190,514 robberies, and 183,153 aggravated assaults.

Guns cause the death of 20 children and young adults (24 years of age and under) each day in the U.S.

Using a gun in self-defense is no more likely to reduce the chance of being injured during a crime than various other forms of protective action.47

Of the 13,636 Americans who were murdered in 2009, only 215 were killed by firearms (165 by handguns) in homicides by private citizens that law enforcement determined were justifiable.

The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children under the age of 15 is nearly 12 times higher than that among children in 25 other industrialized nations combined.

Maybe I should put that in my sig.

 

[wanamingo]

Some serious problems with those so called "facts".


Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.8

City Murder rates: 25 years after DC's ban

Washington, DC 46.4 per 100,00050

Arlington, VA 2.1 per 100,00051

(Arlington is just across the river from D.C.)

Abused women are five times more likely to be killed by their abuser if the abuser owns a firearm.29

What if the abused woman is armed?

I could go on, but what's the point?

Maybe you should read the actual research paper Here ill do the heavy lifting (Googling ) for you. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447364/

 

[wanamingo]

Where are you getting those numbers....

 

[gropouce]

Those are questionnable numbers, Oldman
if I go on the site of Al-Qaeda, I'm sure I can find a statement that only three percent of their members support terrorist actions.
This does not mean I'm right.

 

[wanamingo]

I dont think DC is a good example, is it because of guns we are safer or is it paranoia concerning our political leaders in the last 25 years that have kept the rates down.

For example try and rob someone outside of the white house and see what happens.

Also The District of Columbia isnt a part of any state and is subject to rule only by the senate. Are you secretly supporting big government? Saying that we dont need states rights.....And should be ruled only by a senate of unelected officials?

-Im kidding- seriously no more trolling....

I tried to find the reference for those numbers and couldnt.....The closest thing I found was a referenced speech. But no hard facts.

 

[amdfangirl]

Are you secretly supporting big government?

At least he dun support SOPA.

 

[riser]

Legally owning guns is great. The areas that are restricted by gun laws are only enabling gun crime.

 

[bob xiao]

right kind of sauce eh? well judging by your previous posts i'd say that's CRAZY SAUCE, with a side of SPASTIC.

 

[Reynod]

Bob Iv'e got to put the leash on you ... crazy sauce is ok ... BUT ...

Spastic is not ...

there is no connection between crazy and spastic, (which is an old term for someone with cerebal palsy ... or essentially damage to the lower brain stem and motor functions).

Many people with CP have no damage to their higher brain functions.

In fact I know a few users who have CP and my wife worked with them for years.

Please be careful with derrogotary terms.

Other than that I'd like to give you 5/1 odds against winning a mental joust with riser ... he is a veteran old man who, whilst scarred for life, and covered in gore and other more questionable body fluids, can still eviscerate a n00b with 100 keystrokes or less.

 

[Reynod]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-29/cowan-chicago-murder/4037654

Moar guns !!!