K6-2+E ????

skligmund · Jul 29, 2003

Does this mean much to you?

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I just got it, I think it will leap tall buildings and such. We'll see........

What do you all think about it? Anybody ever heard of them or know anything interesting, besides the low core voltages.

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skligmund · Jul 29, 2003

Here is part of a press release, apparently this processor is made with .18 micron process. Cool.

AMD today introduced two new embedded processors offering an exceptional blend of high performance and efficient power consumption for embedded applications, including set top boxes, tethered Internet access devices, server appliances, thin-client PCs, point-of-sale terminals and telecommunications equipment.

The new AMD-K6™-2E+ and AMD-K6-IIIE+ embedded processors, based on AMD's 0.18 micron process technology, extend the range of Socket 7 and Super7™ compatible embedded processors to new levels of performance. The standard power AMD-K6-2E+ embedded processor is available at speed grades of 400, 450 and 500MHz, with a low power version available at frequencies of 350, 400 and 450MHz. AMD is also introducing the standard power AMD-K6-IIIE+ processor at 400, 450, 500 and 550MHz, with a low power version available at 400, 450 and 500MHz. All of AMD's new processors are available in 321-pin grid array (PGA) packaging. Selected versions of the embedded processors also are planned to be available in AMD's new 349-lead organic ball grid array, or OBGA, packaging.

All low powered versions of both the AMD-K6-2E+ and AMD-K6-IIIE+ processors feature the innovative AMD PowerNow!™ technology, enabling reduced power consumption for power-sensitive applications.

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pIII_Man · Jul 29, 2003

my k6 233 is still kickin'

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue and some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... 😎

phsstpok · Jul 29, 2003

How much are they and will they work in old Super 7 boards?

My FIC 503+ will only go as low a 2.0 Vcore but a decent Socket A cooler ought make it workable.

I wonder how overclockable they are...

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pIII_Man · Jul 29, 2003

those should be good for overclocking because of thier low core voltage...i gotta find the manual for my socket 7 mobo to see what the fastest processor it can use is...

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue and some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... 😎

phsstpok · Jul 29, 2003

I would think it would depend on whether your mobo supports the split voltages and how high an FSB it will run. You'd need 100 Mhz FSB capability or higher for overclocking. The max multiplier for K6-2 family is 6x (available by chosing 2x). 6 x 100 would get you up to 600 Mhz but if you have a mobo than can only do 83 Mhz (I have one) you'd be stuck at 6 x 83 about 500 Mhz, barely over the stock speed.

I can't find any of K6-2+ (E or no E). I have a feeling they're too expensive to be worth while anyway.

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pIII_Man · Jul 29, 2003

i have seen them for 30bux...wheather or not it is worth it...probably not considering i have a pII 400 and a spare 440bx mobo lying around...but it sure would be fun overclocking the last of the socket 7's

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue and some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... 😎

phsstpok · Jul 29, 2003

Looking at it that way no it wouldn't be worth it. A K6-2 overclocked or not isn't going to be a match for a PII 400.

My second system is a K6-2 350 @400. It's just for surfing but it's little sluggish. A little boost would be nice but it's not worth $30.

I also have a spare proc. It's a Tbird 1.0 which will OC to 1.5 but I don't have a spare mobo nor any spare memory. That route would cost me even more money. Again, not worth it just for surfing.

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skligmund · Jul 30, 2003

Well, to begin with your k6-2 300. to ake it noticably faster, get a k6-2+ or any k6-3 variant. All of which have onboard cache. the k6-2 does not, relying on motherboard based l2 cache, which runs at a max of 100MHz, or 66 depending on FSB. Of course that is WAY slow compared to the clock speed, which it what the onboard cache runs at. Also, with no on-die L2 cache, any more than 64 megs of RAM and performance actually DROPS. A k6-2 or 3 with onboard cache wold help tremendously, almost doubling the effectiveness of the CPU.

As for where to buy the E model, which stand for embedded processors, which are built to stand higher temperatures and run a lower voltage setting (big time overclockability?). Try here: <A HREF="http://www.upgradeability.com" target="_new">http://www.upgradeability.com</A>
AMD K6-2+/450 APZ - Rare 1.7 volt version!HOT!
AMD K6-III+/400 ATZ - Rare 1.6 volt version!HOT!

Though expensive, those both are E (embedded) models.

Here is a link to AMD's website with their information.

<A HREF="http://www.amd.com/epd/processors/6.32bitproc/8.amdk6fami/28.amdk62e/index.html" target="_new">http://www.amd.com/epd/processors/6.32bitproc/8.amdk6fami/28.amdk62e/index.html</A>

But I was just wondering if anybody had any practical experiance.. I guess I'm the test rat. Maybe I'll go buy myself another ASUS P5a (as I got rid of the other one) and see if I can beat my old K6-3+ at 600 MHz, which also had a stock speed of 450 I might add.

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pIII_Man · Jul 30, 2003

go for it man...shoot for 1ghz :tongue:

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue and some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... 😎

skligmund · Jul 30, 2003

Oh, and the nice thing about the ASUS P5A is it can handle 150 MHz FSB with passive cooling on the chipset. The reason I didn't go higher (my RAM was set at CL2) was the chipset was overheating, but I never went and got a fan for it. It just plain couldn't handle goin faster than 600 something MHz. Weather I reduced the FSB and increased the muliplier. The CPU ran in the high 30C's, so I don't think I limited out the processor, but I may have.

I guess we'll see how much money and time I am willing to put into building an elite K6-2+ computer.

BTW, the old K6-3 is still running, and it benchmarks better than a P3 Coppermine 900 @ 1000. Do remember, 150 FSB......

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pIII_Man · Jul 30, 2003

that sure would be fun...i bet you could pick up one of those mobos for 20 bux...a low voltage cpu for 30 and use some of my pc150 memory...that should get pretty far...but considering i could get 1700+ axp and an sdram mobo for a 30 bux more...is it worth it? I dunno sure would be fun though...

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue and some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... 😎

phsstpok · Jul 30, 2003

Thanks for the links but no thanks on the upgrade.

$50 is a lot of money for that processor. I could get a Socket A mobo for my spare proc for that amount.

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skligmund · Jul 30, 2003

I'd keep a look out for a K6-2+ though, if you find one for a good price, snatch it up. At least you would be able to see the performance difference if anything, which is actually pretty good.

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skligmund · Jul 30, 2003

Oh, the original reason for me getting this processor is to put in a notebook I just got off of ebay. It only has a normal K6-2-333, which runs hot and has no cache. I got this one so I could run cool, go faster, and run more efficient with the onboard cache. Since the notebook cost only 120 bucks (I know how to bid correctly 😛 ) I figure I can throw a few bucks at it to make it not crap.

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Crashman · Jul 30, 2003

You know that manuals don't tell you what the fastest CPU you can run is, look at all the Pentium MMX boards I upgraded with K6-2's at the wrong voltage, and all the Pentium II boards I've upgraded with Pentium III's.

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Crashman · Jul 30, 2003

Most of those laptops were also compatable with Mobile Pentium MMX processors, with 1.9v core/2.5v I/O. I put a K6-2 533 (desktop CPU) in one and underclocked it to 400, using those lower voltages, so the fan wouldn't run as often.

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Crashman · Jul 30, 2003

That processor will give similar performance to a Cyrix III 1000, while consuming similar power, and producing similar heat. It will work with an Intel TX chipset if you like, making it perfect for upgrading a Mobile MMX laptop.

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pIII_Man · Jul 30, 2003

no i mean physically the fastest cpu it can support...i bought this board long ago and i beleive 4x and 66mhz fsb are the fastest it will support...according to msi 700mhz cpus are not supported...but i am running one...so i have no problem running a board faster than it is specified...but there my be no way for me to physically do this...

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue and some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... 😎

Crashman · Jul 30, 2003

The 2x=6x trick works on ALL boards with the K6-2 366 and higher (higher included K6-III's, etc). So if your board supports a highest bus speed of 66.6MHz, that's 400MHz for the CPU. At 75MHz bus, it's 450. And at 83.3MHz, it's 500.

Some BIOS's won't report correct speeds above certain numbers in their CPU tables, such as 266MHz or 400MHz. WPCPUID will report the correct speed.

A few boards don't like K6-2s at all, but most boards that support K6's will support K6-2s.

As for running a speed "higher than specified for the board", that's nonsense. Companies don't make boards to run a certain speed, they make them to run certain processor types. The highest speed supported on their webpage is simply the fastest CPU they've tested on it, and when the board is no longer current, they no longer update the information.

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pIII_Man · Jul 31, 2003

ok...some info...supermicro p5mms98 mobo...i beleive the max fsb it supports is 75 mhz and the max multi is 5x that is a pretty good clock for a 233....how far can my 233mhz k6-2 (i beleive it is a k6-2...i dunno if they made a 233mhz k6) overclock on average...

also what is this 2x = 6x trick...if i set the jumper to 2x it will move the multi to 6x when using a k6...i really forget almost everything about that computer...enlighten me...

also if i set my fsb to 75x...will my pci bus be running 35.5mhz? or will it be running at spec (just wondering...i know all the cards should be able to take that small increase).

BTW this mobo has a TX chipset...

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... 😎

pIII_Man · Jul 31, 2003

yes i realise that the rated speed is nonsense...suport for the multi and the fsb are the only things that matter (unless it is a newer board that the cpu forces the multi..then only fsb matters)

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... 😎

Crashman · Jul 31, 2003

Funny thing about multipliers, they've been set by the CPU for ages now. Even on unlcoked Pentium 1's.

What the board does with Socket 7 and multipliers is, enable certain CPU pins when you set the multiplier. Intel "locked" the last of the Pentium 1's by blowing the bridges to certain pins I suspect, which only limitted your max multiplier, they still worked at lower multipliers.

The Pentium 233 MMX used a 3.5 multiplier, by the same pins as the Pentium 100 for it's 1.5x multiplier. Hence, for 233's, 1.5x=3.5x.

AMD did the same thing for the 400, making 2x=6x. But this wasn't processor specific, it was core specific, therefore any of the newer cores supported 2x=6x.

I suspect that the 2x=6x feature was added so that companies such as Evergreen Technologies could make their "400 overdrives" by simply reducing core voltage, these processors worked on many old Socket5 systems.

In fact, the Pentium 233MMX also fits the Socket 5 socket, so you could run a 233MMX on nearly any Pentium board as long as you kept it cool (3.3v produces more heat than the rated 2.8v core voltage). And the K6-2 400 tolerates up to 2.8v if you keep it cool, making it compatable with most Pentium MMX boards as well as those designed for lower core voltages.

Your board should run a K6-2 at 450MHz using the 2x multiplier and 75MHz bus.

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pIII_Man · Jul 31, 2003

thanx for the info...but i would like to know before i start fooling around with jumpers...what the max overclock of my cpu might be?

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... 😎

Crashman · Jul 31, 2003

For your 233? Most of those were factory overclocked 200's, hence the higher voltage.

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