Kaveri A10-7850k Is it worthy? performance to price in a gaming build?

[kabz016]

Hi Guys!
My cousin asked me to build him a gaming pc but he has a low budget so he can't get an i5 cpu.
he just games medium to high settings and does little editing (or maybe he won't edit at all).
so I searched for a system that might fit his likings. then I saw the A10-7850k and told him about it because he wants to game as early as he can. oh and he wants to add a gpu (r9 280x) later (maybe after a year or so I dunno)

He wants new platforms so Fm2+ is a check for him and to be clear "low OC'ing only" hardcore oc is a NO for him that's why I didn't recommend FX's...

He has a 18.5" monitor right now:

Here's what I recommended (Location Philippines) :
Cpu&Mobo package: A10 7850k Gigabyte GA-G1.Sniper A88x (Its a promo it has a discount here so yeah)
Ram: Gskill Sniper 8gb 1600-2133 [2x4gb] (He wants its style and please don't ask why. Because I don't know wtf he likes about it hahaha)
PSU: Antec EA650 Platinum (Why 650? its platinum, low price and for later Gpu upgrade etc... its ok right )
Storage: WDC Blue 1 TB
Chassis: Aerocool Xpredator X1/ Corsair 300R

Future Upgrades:
SSD: Samsung 840 evo 120/250GB
GPU: R9 280x
Additional HDD, Etc...

What do you guys think? please don't argue. I just want to be enlightened. Thanks! :jap:

 

[Cons29]

i would not get an apu (though i am not aware yet how good kaveri is) if i will get a good gpu

 

[kabz016]

But because of his budget he can't get a good gpu and cpu at the same time. and the thing is he doesn't like athlon and phenom because its almost exctinct (that's what he said haha) so apu is what I recommended

 

[enemy1g]

APUs still are pretty much not gaming worthy, even the new Kaveri.

If you listed his total budget, I'm sure that the nice people here at Tom's could help your friend with a budget that fits, and would allow his CPU to match the performance of his future GPU.

 

[kabz016]

well about 30000 php / 670 usd (location philippines)

 

[kabz016]

well he says as long as the game is playable its ok for him...
and I saw this that's why I think its not bad and recommended it.

a10-7850k review and benchmarks gaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPdLn_YGEaY

 

[DonnyTechMaster]

It's not a bad CPU, especially if you pair it with an AMD GPU, because you are supposed to be able to crossfire with it.

 

[ohyouknow]

Kamusta. It'll work great especially on that 18" monitor. Don't worry about all the benchmark number guys. Not sure about your prices over there but the A-10 is horribly overpriced here.

When he does upgrade, I'd suggest Graphics and Monitor at the same time. Good luck sa 'yo.

 

[jaguarskx]

The A10-7850k only provides a 11% performance increase over the older A10-6800k in games. The CPU core is still relatively weak so it can be a bit of a bottleneck when a GPU is added in later.

A SSD is a "cool thing" to have, but it does not increase frame rates. It allows you to boot / shutdown and load / save much quicker though. At best means that the frame rates should not drop too much when the games need to load areas of the map while you are playing. If the game only loads entire levels at a time, then starting a new level would be quicker. I would rather spend that money on a CPU or GPU.

Can you provide links to a couple of stores in your country? And what is the total budget?

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

To quote Tom's review of the A10-7850k:

"Personally, I’d go for a $75 Athlon X4 740 and a Radeon HD 7750 for close to the same amount of money…at least until HSA-optimized software gives us a reason to favor Kaveri-based APUs."

Full article: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-7850k-a8-7600-kaveri,3725-16.html

I agree with choosing discrete components, but I would probably opt for the 7790 over the 7750.

While I would say it's a very nice device, you really aren't getting any more value for your money with the A10-7850k APU, and you are confining the total surface area needing to be cooled to the integrated heat spreader on the APU alone, versus having a CPU and GPU with separate cooling. If performance for discrete VS APU was equal, I would opt for discrete for the better cooling.

 

[Cons29]

if it's me. i would get a non-apu. maybe even an intel, weather it with the built-in (i know it sucks), then get a good gpu afterwards. better to wait then have a good setup, of course, just my 2 cents.
how much is that psu? you really don't need platinum esp if it's overpriced. the difference is not that much anyway when it comes to savings. and the savings will be years before you actually earn it back

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

Intel is going to cost more for equivalent performance. That's kinda why he's here. For the cost of CPU and dedicated GPU, he can run circles around an Intel build. 🙂

 

[kabz016]

Kamusta. It'll work great especially on that 18" monitor. Don't worry about all the benchmark number guys. Not sure about your prices over there but the A-10 is horribly overpriced here.

When he does upgrade, I'd suggest Graphics and Monitor at the same time. Good luck sa 'yo.

well the prices of a10 and all of the pc components here are also horribly ovepriced too compared to US or even most of the other countries.

 

[kabz016]

here are a couple of stores I trust which have better prices than most of the others here:
and the budget is 30000 php

http://dynaquestpc.com/
http://pcx.com.ph/
http://enigma-phil.com.ph/

 

[kabz016]

if it's me. i would get a non-apu. maybe even an intel, weather it with the built-in (i know it sucks), then get a good gpu afterwards. better to wait then have a good setup, of course, just my 2 cents.
how much is that psu? you really don't need platinum esp if it's overpriced. the difference is not that much anyway when it comes to savings. and the savings will be years before you actually earn it back

Oh! fffffffuuuuuuuuu I misclicked ! But I am also considering this option. because everything he plays right now are online mmorpgs.

 

[Cons29]

there, i unselected it myself by the way pinoy here hehe

go to gilmore and look around. 30k? i'd dedicate 10k for the gpu, then work my way down.
the thing with buying an apu, sure it will work better than intel, but the moment you get a decent gpu you will notice that is it not really that fast for gaming (the cpu)

it depends on what games he will play, if it's like bf4, then you really need a gpu.

again, my take, get a good cpu then a good gpu later.

 

[kabz016]

there, i unselected it myself by the way pinoy here hehe

go to gilmore and look around. 30k? i'd dedicate 10k for the gpu, then work my way down.
the thing with buying an apu, sure it will work better than intel, but the moment you get a decent gpu you will notice that is it not really that fast for gaming (the cpu)

it depends on what games he will play, if it's like bf4, then you really need a gpu.

again, my take, get a good cpu then a good gpu later.

Oh Cons29 thanks bro! well I've been wanting to go there but I think we need a higher budget before we go to gilmore avenue (we are here in cavite haha) I only look for parts through internet because traveling is quite a hassle if we still aren't sure what parts we should buy especially buying in manila. so yeah I'll convice my cousin to wait a little longer haha

 

[Cons29]

you can call the store (like pchub), to check for availability. then if you will buy, you can deposit some cash to have the items reserved for you. if you are not comfortable with that, maybe you could ask them to hold them for you for a few hours (like before you go there).
a weekend trip there is worth it imo

 

[joho5]

I think the apu is actually a good idea for a casual gamer that doesn't play huge fast paced graphical online games. If you pair the new kavieri chip with some 2133 ram, it performs fairly well. There is some youtube footage of this same setup playing battlefield 4 campaign on decent settings and getting decent frames and that's a pretty graphic intense game.

Then down the road, you can add a dedicated card, or grab a compatible card to crossfire with...yes a standalone cpu will perform better, but if you clocked up the cpu when using a dedicated card, you can still get good performance.

Also the release of Mantle will utilize the apu more as well.

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

Adding the fast RAM torpedoes any cost benefit you receive by utilizing an APU.

 

[Nemesis-7]

1600 1866 2133 and 2400 are like <10 bucks difference....APU's ( kaveri ) are certainly worth it. Battlefield 4 at 1920 x 1080 on medium settings ( no mantle ) is nothing to sneeze at. and the 11% cpu increase is quite impressive considering more of the 7850k chip is dedicated to the igpu. Also single threaded performance has taken HUGE leaps in APUs. Kaveri in particular. I see the 7850k get so much flack....I just don't think people are even willing to give it a chance.

 

[joho5]

Adding the fast RAM torpedoes any cost benefit you receive by utilizing an APU.

I look at the different speeds of ram all the time...and do not see much of a price difference.

 

[joho5]

1600 1866 2133 and 2400 are like <10 bucks difference....APU's ( kaveri ) are certainly worth it. Battlefield 4 at 1920 x 1080 on medium settings ( no mantle ) is nothing to sneeze at. and the 11% cpu increase is quite impressive considering more of the 7850k chip is dedicated to the igpu. Also single threaded performance has taken HUGE leaps in APUs. Kaveri in particular. I see the 7850k get so much flack....I just don't think people are even willing to give it a chance.

I am in complete agreement, and that's why I told the original poster that I am in the minority in supporting the APU.

Bottom line is that battlefield 4 is one of the most demanding games on the market right now and if you can run it with decent frames at medium to high settings...your pc is pretty powerful...especially for the cost of the APU.

You can find the 7850k on sale for as low as $129 (microcenter right now)...you cannot find a cpu / gpu combo that will compare and age as well as the APU. Not to mention the cost you save on a power supply.

 

[Nemesis-7]

1600 1866 2133 and 2400 are like <10 bucks difference....APU's ( kaveri ) are certainly worth it. Battlefield 4 at 1920 x 1080 on medium settings ( no mantle ) is nothing to sneeze at. and the 11% cpu increase is quite impressive considering more of the 7850k chip is dedicated to the igpu. Also single threaded performance has taken HUGE leaps in APUs. Kaveri in particular. I see the 7850k get so much flack....I just don't think people are even willing to give it a chance.

I am in complete agreement, and that's why I told the original poster that I am in the minority in supporting the APU.

Bottom line is that battlefield 4 is one of the most demanding games on the market right now and if you can run it with decent frames at medium to high settings...your pc is pretty powerful...especially for the cost of the APU.

You can find the 7850k on sale for as low as $129 (microcenter right now)...you cannot find a cpu / gpu combo that will compare and age as well as the APU. Not to mention the cost you save on a power supply.

Absolutely, I've waited 2 years watching the APU lineup....I almost gave in on trinity....but knew I should wait for kaveri. 1 year later i'm gladd I did. The Igpu in the 7850k is faster than my current HD 4850 and thats what I was waiting for. I just couldn't justify a phenom or even thuban based AM3 upgrade. I love me some PCSX2 and the single threaded performance on kaveri DECIMATES previous gen AMD CPU's.


Also...where and how can I order the 7850k for 129 USD...I'm days from ordering my parts and the cheapest I found it was 184.99 with free shipping from the egg

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

I'm more than willing to give the 7850k a shot, just not for it's current price. Why should anyone go with the 7850k when they can get more performance for less money by not choosing that particular chip?

What's the point of all the bandwidth offered by DDR3 2400 if you're going with higher timings? If you want timings similar to DDR3 1600 you're going to pay a premium which is not a mere 10 bucks.

The 7850k at Microcenter is only available for in-store pickup. How does that benefit most people?